Do You Love Your Stomach?

PineTreeFarmer

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
I'm at dinner alone (because I wanted hot and sour soup and my kids hate Chinese) and there are women in here with their husbands who outweigh me and (their husband's) by 100 lbs. Really wondering how. I'm not a small woman. They really don't look they could lift them, either.

And what about women? Are we not supposed to appreciate a body type that could throw us around? :hmm: :laughter: Or is it not a sin when women do it?
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Yes, now I can see how this image can incite lust. Forgive me. I changed the image.
I can understand you changing the picture, but I can definitely understand you not noticing a problem at first. The woman in the first picture was very masculine, with the hard, ripped muscles, the flat chest, and the big barbell. I thought it illustrated an obsession with one's stomach effectively. Female body builders are generally unattractive to me.

It's interesting how the stomach is like so many things in life, where you can go overboard in one direction (over eating), and also go overboard in the other direction (excessive vanity). It's not always easy to find the middle ground.
 

PineTreeFarmer

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
I can understand you changing the picture, but I can definitely understand you not noticing a problem at first. The woman in the first picture was very masculine, with the hard, ripped muscles, the flat chest, and the big barbell. I thought it illustrated an obsession with one's stomach effectively. Female body builders are generally unattractive to me.

It's interesting how the stomach is like so many things in life, where you can go overboard in one direction (over eating), and also go overboard in the other direction (excessive vanity). It's not always easy to find the middle ground.
I asked my husband once to tell me who the most beautiful woman in this 1960 picture of the women in the mill my Gramma worked in, and got genuinely angry when he didn't pick my Gramma out of 100+ women. It's not easy.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
It seems we are passing from the peak of the age of materialism described in the article. There was a period where most people had a normal abdonimal. Somewhat toned, a bit fat. Then from the 80s the age of physical improvement was promoted. If you go back to the 70s, most of the promoted heart-throbs of the day were as I described in the 2nd sentence. Guys with a normal body, without added fat, but little to no targeted improvement. Go back to the 60s and you will see photos of M Monroe with a bit of a pot-belly.

At the beginning of the 80s most people had normal bodies, then began the arms race of enhancement and sculpting. A small sub-set of people pulled away and became far more physically appealing than the norm. Over decades routines were perfected and methods to crowd source the most appealing form of each body part arose.

At the same time diets became markedly worse, and along with the small caste of the physically enhanced, grew the growing basement of the physically unappealing, via obesity.

For a while enough were distracted by the pleasures, whether they be owning or looking at enhanced bodies. But as the two above mentioned groups grew further apart and increasingly top-heavy with obesity, jealousy took hold. Gluttons wants the worship and attention of the vain, without doing the work. And they are, of course, happy to tear down those they envy.

For decades enhanced bodies have been splashed everywhere. So that they have become normalised as a visual experience, while remaining quite rare. A ripped guy would have been a real novelty and highly desired in the early 80s. Despite being more of an outlier today, the level of desire for such a man has likely plummeted.

As we move from the age of chasing materialism to destroying it, the posters of flat stomachs, and toned bodies are making way for those of the morbidly obese. At least if they were born as or claim to be a woman.

This is how I see every facet of the materialist society going. We have passed a critical mass of people who want to consume the fruits of materialism to a growing mass resenting materialism, because they don't have (enough) access to it.

Incels, femcels, FDS, MGTOW, fat positivity, gender ideology, feminism, the darkening of the red media's pop culture...

This is the same spirit using the same playbook in multiple facets of life. First it was rights for blacks, equal rights for blacks, special favours for blacks, to everything and anything that is wrong with blacks is not their fault and everyone else needs to get out the way of any black that demands it. First it was don't be mean to gays, then give us some rights, give us equal rights, special favours for gays, to promote gay lifestyles and drench children is extreme sexual topics.

For now it's - be nice to obese people...
 

PineTreeFarmer

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
It seems we are passing from the peak of the age of materialism described in the article. There was a period where most people had a normal abdonimal. Somewhat toned, a bit fat. Then from the 80s the age of physical improvement was promoted. If you go back to the 70s, most of the promoted heart-throbs of the day were as I described in the 2nd sentence. Guys with a normal body, without added fat, but little to no targeted improvement. Go back to the 60s and you will see photos of M Monroe with a bit of a pot-belly.

At the beginning of the 80s most people had normal bodies, then began the arms race of enhancement and sculpting. A small sub-set of people pulled away and became far more physically appealing than the norm. Over decades routines were perfected and methods to crowd source the most appealing form of each body part arose.

At the same time diets became markedly worse, and along with the small caste of the physically enhanced, grew the growing basement of the physically unappealing, via obesity.

For a while enough were distracted by the pleasures, whether they be owning or looking at enhanced bodies. But as the two above mentioned groups grew further apart and increasingly top-heavy with obesity, jealousy took hold. Gluttons wants the worship and attention of the vain, without doing the work. And they are, of course, happy to tear down those they envy.

For decades enhanced bodies have been splashed everywhere. So that they have become normalised as a visual experience, while remaining quite rare. A ripped guy would have been a real novelty and highly desired in the early 80s. Despite being more of an outlier today, the level of desire for such a man has likely plummeted.

As we move from the age of chasing materialism to destroying it, the posters of flat stomachs, and toned bodies are making way for those of the morbidly obese. At least if they were born as or claim to be a woman.

This is how I see every facet of the materialist society going. We have passed a critical mass of people who want to consume the fruits of materialism to a growing mass resenting materialism, because they don't have (enough) access to it.

Incels, femcels, FDS, MGTOW, fat positivity, gender ideology, feminism, the darkening of the red media's pop culture...

This is the same spirit using the same playbook in multiple facets of life. First it was rights for blacks, equal rights for blacks, special favours for blacks, to everything and anything that is wrong with blacks is not their fault and everyone else needs to get out the way of any black that demands it. First it was don't be mean to gays, then give us some rights, give us equal rights, special favours for gays, to promote gay lifestyles and drench children is extreme sexual topics.

For now it's - be nice to obese people...
Please be nice to obese people. Or just, ignore them.
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
Kindness is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit. IMO if a person is not kind to everyone (including obese people), then that person is deficient in Christian virtue.
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
This alimentary canal the stomach is part of, is open to the outside.

I remember reading 'think of the alimentary canal as sitting outside your body'
I've read a recommendation to think of the alimentary canal as a hole through your body.

Although I suppose that would still be 'outside'. Our bodies have a hole inside of us that is outside of us. It actually makes sense.
It is one of the body systems most vulnerable to demonic attacks as it has at least two significant openings to the outside....

If we can closely guard what enters our alimentary canal, we can stop demonic possessions and even alter our nous/brain as our gut is scientifically explained as our second brain.
My understanding is that demonic possession is a spiritual problem, not a problem of the physical body (although the demons can control that, once they take possession). Demonic possession is prevented by avoiding mortal sin, by keeping close to Christ through prayer, and by receiving the sacraments regularly.

Demons are spirits, they don't need physical access routes. You can guard your alimentary canal until the cows come home, but if you're worshipping Satan then all that guarding will do nothing to protect you. (Also, Jesus declared all food clean, as recorded in scripture.
 

christie2

Woodpecker
Non-Christian
Interesting.

I actually don't want to learn more about how they enter possession of us. It is truly the most frightening thing.
Selfaware that you're 'possessed' so-to-speak, but seemingly no energy to pull yourself out/away.
I wish I could recall where he said all food is clean, you must mean New Testament.
 

Blade Runner

Crow
Orthodox
Are we desensitized by the images and success of body sculpters/images/athletes and fitness models ... or is it true that the number of women I see is actually, objectively a 7+ (in the west) only about 1% at this point?
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
Interesting.

I actually don't want to learn more about how they enter possession of us. It is truly the most frightening thing.
Selfaware that you're 'possessed' so-to-speak, but seemingly no energy to pull yourself out/away.
I wish I could recall where he said all food is clean, you must mean New Testament.
Yes, New Testament. I am sure an on line concordance could help you with that.

As for being selfaware that you're possessed, well, it doesn't have to be frightening. Thanks be to God we have holy priests and bishops who can offer the rite of exorcism to free us from bondage.
 
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