Starting thread to avoid threadjacking. As I've said before, not trying to convince anyone necessarily, just stating facts.
This thread is to discuss whether contracting/doing business with secular people is being unequally yoked with unbelievers; if everything secular is considered (or should be considered) as demonic; has the word "holistic" evolved in modern usage to mean pagan; and ways that Christians can better discern when "secular" things are demonic, especially when these things are not standardized across the board. I think the consensus is that no one wants more regulation, so then the only way to help people is by the sharing of information.
First case in point, non-nurse midwives.
Yes, even many fathers, and mothers, have not done dozens to hundreds of hours of hours of research in this topic. Most people, in my experience, go by hearsay, propaganda "documentaries" and tv shows (what better way to push an agenda!), a hatred/extreme dislike or distrust of the allopathic system (understandable, but can cloud judgment), or superficially- written and poorly-researched mainstream articles from secular publications that are also trying to push an agenda.
Agree, I believe when a midwife was the one and only option available for a pregnant women they were not, for the most part, pushing any of this degeneracy. The death rate for childbirth was incredibly high, but there were no other options, so people back then just had to suck it up, pray, and hope for the best.
I would also propose a theory that back then the woman that died in childbirth ended their bloodline, and the women who survived having multiple children were somehow more "fit" (I hate how eugenics and darwinism this sounds) to bear children and passed that on to their daughters. Nowadays we have women who were born through medical help, and if their mother was also, I wonder if those women are more likely to have complications.
I apologize if the way I worded it originally was ambiguous.
That's the thing though- most births turn out ok and the baby doesn't need any help in being born. But for those births in which there are difficulties (which are unpredictable - I'm not even talking about higher risk cases which shouldn't have even been attempted but more corrupt or greedy midwives will still take on), the way it operates in some European countries is much safer. There the hospital is aware that the woman is transferring, already has a copy of her chart (and the nurse midwife is actually charting accurately), the nurse midwife has already started an IV line, etc. Most American direct entry midwives are not in good reputable standing with local hospitals (the midwife we hired told us this a week before I was due), have possibly never even started an IV, the chart is incorrect (and the hospital will disregard it), etc.
While her being a Christian will prevent the sexual perversion aspect of it, it does nothing to address the safety risks.
I can't take credit for the word "midwitch" - I found it on a blog from some lady who's daughter died because the midwife gave her incompetent care and discouraged her from going to the hospital. Unlike what happened with my personal situation, this lady and her husband trusted the midwife and listened to her advice.
So, as Christians we are operating in a fallen world, how do we protect ourselves?
This is a Christian forum, and multiple people have mentioned a Christian midwife. But, for example, on one of the men's forum threads a user recommended this place:
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en.m.wikipedia.org
While in more recent times they apparently have tried to separate themselves from their founder Ina May Gaskin (I went to their website and found little mention of her, thought they are still endorsing her book Spiritual Midwifery), her and her husband were the founders of this hippie commune-turned-birthing center. This woman, Ina May Gaskin is considered to be "mother of midwifery", and I have never met a midwife who didn't think highly of her. It is in that book, Spiritual Midwifery, in which she advocates (using very crude language that would be innapropriate for this forum) for the midwife to touch the woman sexually in order to "relax her". This woman was also involved in a documentary in which they describe how to make childbirth into a "sexual process" among other things which I've already touched upon in other posts.
As for the separation from Ina May Gaskin, it is probably not related to the things written in her book, which was first published many years ago. More likely it has to do with her being cancelled for not being "woke" enough in regards to black people and their diet and birth outcomes. In case anyone didn't know, many midwives have jumped on the "woke" bandwagon.
www.yesmagazine.org
I don't know how to link pdf files, but there is a 60something page pdf by an exmidwife named Leigh Fransen who exposes just how widespread the lies are, how prevalent operating outside of the defined scope of practice is (using medications illegally, and vacuum deliveries without consent, etc), and what the studies show. She was an owner of a birth center, making over 6 figures a year with no student debt. It would have been in her financial interest to continue, but she realized she was putting lives in danger and had to quit because of her conscience.
As I said, i don't know how to post pdfs, but a link to download or read the pdf is found in the first sentence of the following blog post:
shameonbetterbirth.wordpress.com
Some of this lady's other posts detail the sexual abuse during labor at the hands of midwives, and how the system actually protects them and believes them over the women. It is because of facts like this that I made the allegation that direct entry midwives are just as much a part of the system that "they" set up as allopaths are.
Edit: adding link to a blog series debunking the "documentary" The Business of Being Born, which was instrumental in increasing the popularity of hiring a midwife. On other pregnancy/baby forums I have seen watching this movie (and nothing else) be considered "doing research"
exhomebirthers.wordpress.com
Is there such thing as a Christian midwife? I'm sure there is, as several posters have mentioned knowing one. As Christians, we should help each other out to better navigate this fallen world, and not fall into any of Satan's traps.
So, what are some tips when having to enter into business deals with non-Christians? Should they just be avoided? Especially when dealing with an alternative medicine provider (naturopath, chiropractor, etc) how does one know if their "treatment" involves objectionable practices since most require payment up front?
This thread is to discuss whether contracting/doing business with secular people is being unequally yoked with unbelievers; if everything secular is considered (or should be considered) as demonic; has the word "holistic" evolved in modern usage to mean pagan; and ways that Christians can better discern when "secular" things are demonic, especially when these things are not standardized across the board. I think the consensus is that no one wants more regulation, so then the only way to help people is by the sharing of information.
First case in point, non-nurse midwives.
Yes, even many fathers, and mothers, have not done dozens to hundreds of hours of hours of research in this topic. Most people, in my experience, go by hearsay, propaganda "documentaries" and tv shows (what better way to push an agenda!), a hatred/extreme dislike or distrust of the allopathic system (understandable, but can cloud judgment), or superficially- written and poorly-researched mainstream articles from secular publications that are also trying to push an agenda.
Yes.
Agree, I believe when a midwife was the one and only option available for a pregnant women they were not, for the most part, pushing any of this degeneracy. The death rate for childbirth was incredibly high, but there were no other options, so people back then just had to suck it up, pray, and hope for the best.
I would also propose a theory that back then the woman that died in childbirth ended their bloodline, and the women who survived having multiple children were somehow more "fit" (I hate how eugenics and darwinism this sounds) to bear children and passed that on to their daughters. Nowadays we have women who were born through medical help, and if their mother was also, I wonder if those women are more likely to have complications.
No, what I meant was if a woman knows all the facts about what she's in for in using these "midwives" , both the safety record and all the perverted and evil practices, and does not consider that to be an issue or in defiance of God, then that's between her and God. I wouldn't consider it "activism" per se to want to bring all these issues out to the light - sort of what I'm hoping this thread can accomplish. I definitely do not believe in lobbying "the system " or anything like that.
I apologize if the way I worded it originally was ambiguous.
That's the thing though- most births turn out ok and the baby doesn't need any help in being born. But for those births in which there are difficulties (which are unpredictable - I'm not even talking about higher risk cases which shouldn't have even been attempted but more corrupt or greedy midwives will still take on), the way it operates in some European countries is much safer. There the hospital is aware that the woman is transferring, already has a copy of her chart (and the nurse midwife is actually charting accurately), the nurse midwife has already started an IV line, etc. Most American direct entry midwives are not in good reputable standing with local hospitals (the midwife we hired told us this a week before I was due), have possibly never even started an IV, the chart is incorrect (and the hospital will disregard it), etc.
While her being a Christian will prevent the sexual perversion aspect of it, it does nothing to address the safety risks.
I can't take credit for the word "midwitch" - I found it on a blog from some lady who's daughter died because the midwife gave her incompetent care and discouraged her from going to the hospital. Unlike what happened with my personal situation, this lady and her husband trusted the midwife and listened to her advice.
So, as Christians we are operating in a fallen world, how do we protect ourselves?
This is a Christian forum, and multiple people have mentioned a Christian midwife. But, for example, on one of the men's forum threads a user recommended this place:
The Farm (Tennessee) - Wikipedia
Ina May Gaskin - Wikipedia
While in more recent times they apparently have tried to separate themselves from their founder Ina May Gaskin (I went to their website and found little mention of her, thought they are still endorsing her book Spiritual Midwifery), her and her husband were the founders of this hippie commune-turned-birthing center. This woman, Ina May Gaskin is considered to be "mother of midwifery", and I have never met a midwife who didn't think highly of her. It is in that book, Spiritual Midwifery, in which she advocates (using very crude language that would be innapropriate for this forum) for the midwife to touch the woman sexually in order to "relax her". This woman was also involved in a documentary in which they describe how to make childbirth into a "sexual process" among other things which I've already touched upon in other posts.
As for the separation from Ina May Gaskin, it is probably not related to the things written in her book, which was first published many years ago. More likely it has to do with her being cancelled for not being "woke" enough in regards to black people and their diet and birth outcomes. In case anyone didn't know, many midwives have jumped on the "woke" bandwagon.
Just So We’re Clear: Black Mothers Aren’t to Blame for High Infant Mortality - YES! Magazine
When famous midwife Ina May Gaskin suggested that Black mothers should make better lifestyle choices to have healthier babies, the Black birth world decided they’d had enough.
www.yesmagazine.org
I don't know how to link pdf files, but there is a 60something page pdf by an exmidwife named Leigh Fransen who exposes just how widespread the lies are, how prevalent operating outside of the defined scope of practice is (using medications illegally, and vacuum deliveries without consent, etc), and what the studies show. She was an owner of a birth center, making over 6 figures a year with no student debt. It would have been in her financial interest to continue, but she realized she was putting lives in danger and had to quit because of her conscience.
As I said, i don't know how to post pdfs, but a link to download or read the pdf is found in the first sentence of the following blog post:
Better Birth knows out of hospital birth kills babies, they just don’t care to warn mothers
I think I under stated the importance of the latest health department data that shows that out of hospital birth has more than double the mortality rate of hospital births. Not just because the own…
shameonbetterbirth.wordpress.com
Some of this lady's other posts detail the sexual abuse during labor at the hands of midwives, and how the system actually protects them and believes them over the women. It is because of facts like this that I made the allegation that direct entry midwives are just as much a part of the system that "they" set up as allopaths are.
Edit: adding link to a blog series debunking the "documentary" The Business of Being Born, which was instrumental in increasing the popularity of hiring a midwife. On other pregnancy/baby forums I have seen watching this movie (and nothing else) be considered "doing research"
Debunking The Business of Being Born: Part 1
This is a series on The Business of Being Born (TBBB), a powerful film that has influenced many women to give birth outside of a hospital. I’m going to do my best to point out the factual pro…
exhomebirthers.wordpress.com
Is there such thing as a Christian midwife? I'm sure there is, as several posters have mentioned knowing one. As Christians, we should help each other out to better navigate this fallen world, and not fall into any of Satan's traps.
So, what are some tips when having to enter into business deals with non-Christians? Should they just be avoided? Especially when dealing with an alternative medicine provider (naturopath, chiropractor, etc) how does one know if their "treatment" involves objectionable practices since most require payment up front?
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