Drama in the alt lite / new right

[Rocha]

+1 to what Roosh said. I've worked with Matt a lot and I've always found him to be trustworthy, reliable, and genuine. I don't think he ever claimed that he was some sort of tough guy or brawler, and he's ostensibly getting threatened with physical harm for expressing his political and social opinions. Criticism, in-person bitching and yelling, online hate mail, all those things come with using your real name to express unpopular opinions. But actual physical intimidation and injury isn't something that anyone deserves who isn't infringing on the rights of others.

We can all be keyboard tough guys here, but think about the situation --- two people approach you who may want to do you harm. Is there any way to handle that situation with less downside than what he actually did? Walk away and film them. I'm in decent shape and have a martial arts background, and if two people are coming after me I'm still not going to stick around and get my ass kicked. Sure there's the chance they won't do anything, but I'm not going to bet my front teeth on it, especially with the wolf-like mentality of antifa (brave and violent when in numbers). What's the upside? You hurt one or both of them, in which case you may catch a hate crime charge because they're a couple of you-know-whats.

It may look "pussy" and undignified or whatever, but in the vast majority of cases, extricating yourself from a violent situation before it happens is the best move. Even guys with way more time than me on the bags/mat/squat rack etc. will tell you this.

I agree, always better avoid physical conflict. The question is how to stop the antifa bullying?

 

[AnonymousBosch]

Forney is a great writer and a really smart guy who has done a lot for our side over the years, and I don't think he's ever claimed to be some world-beater tough guy or street fighter. That being said, if he wants to increase his influence and public stature on the alt-right he would be well-served to shore up the weaknesses apparent in that video. I agree with Atlanta Man that a few months of dedicated lifting and MMA would do wonders for him. Of course, it's possible he has some sort of injury or physical disability that prevents him from doing so, in which case there's obviously not much he could do about it. But who knows. Just some constructive criticism for our friend Matt, who I hope to see continue to grow in influence in the future.

Matt's consistently turned out podcasts, videos, research and journalism for a number of years. Love him or hate him, he's a reliable worker. Also note that he and Aurini were far ahead of the curve with realising the out-of-control sexual degeneracy at the core of a large section of the Alt-Right.

Injuries and disabilites can be worked around. I've trained with guys with no legs; with chronic illnesses; older men who have had strokes; and one who'd had a brain tumour removed and couldn't always control his right arm. I've seen guys go from far more overweight than Forney currently is to damn built. Unsurprisingly, hot girls followed.

I'd like to see him succeed too. When the mind has great strength, there's no need to let your body hold you back.

 

[redbeard]

One of you fitness blogger personal trainer types should reach out to Matt. Offer free coaching in exchange for linking the case study.

 

[Killer Joe]

Since we were on the topic of Gavin McInnes a few posts back, I'll just leave this here




Edit: Turns out this Beardson is a gamma idiot. Video was funny though.

 

[Silver_Tube]

The altright subreddit was banned 3 hours ago, for sharing personal information.

My best guess is somebody posted the name of the girl who set the trump supporter's hair on fire.

I think they moved to voat. The_Donald is all alone on that site now, them and redpill of course.

 

[Repo]

No they were promoting doxxing, you can read alot of it in SRD. Apperently even T_D mods colluded with getting them banned.

 

[RaccoonFace]

 

[John Michael Kane]

Matt Forney is honourable; he sticks by his friends, and doesn't throw them under the bus when it's convenient, even when he's taking shit for it. He works hard, and does good reporting. He has his face out there, and he takes shit for it all the time. That takes courage. He's not in the best shape, but I'd trust him to have my back over a lot of others who'd cut and run - the sort of body builders who do it to get girls, rather than for the sake of themselves.

Does he have flaws? Sure he does - we all do - but unlike his detractors, he puts himself out there. He's an easy target to snipe at because he doesn't put on airs; he's a genuine human being.

And you do realize that Alt Right Dogs was a joke, slapped together in 20 minutes? Are you sure you didn't wander over from Kiwi Farms? That site might be more your scene.

Co-sign. In all the years I've had a working relationship with him from Reaxxion and Return Of Kings, he never let me down. He's dependable, a great writer, and doesn't gossip like many other internet personalities. I think we're fortunate to have on our side.

One thing I value now more in my 30's than I did in my 20's is having fewer, but quality friends. In your teens and 20's, your goal is often to have a huge group of friends so you can be "popular" whatever that means.

As you grow older, you realize that loyalty is the first hallmark you should look for in a friend. If a friend doesn't have loyalty, can you really call them a friend?

Look at the whole Gawker fiasco. That fag Nick Denton threw his own editor under the bus, because it was the easiest thing to do. That's part of the reason why I've slowly been purging "friends" that are bad at responding to messages, or have failed to be there when I needed them. Friendships that are a one-way street aren't friendships at all.

That's part of the reason why I can't be friends with the vast majority of people on the Left. They have no sense of honor or loyalty, with few exceptions. If someone accuses you of being a racist, they'll pile on just so show how "not racist" they are. They want to be seen as "correct", not loyal.

That's part of the reason why I love Trump.

The man is not without his flaws. He's actually refreshingly human as politicians go. What I do admire from him aside from his politics is that he is very loyal to those who show loyalty. A generous Alpha Male. He gives to those in need. He also doesn't forget to punish disloyal scum that pretend to be his friend, then stab him in the back as he's trying to get work done. He's really a lesson for us all, in the sense that we must be loyal to those who show honorable traits.

Do not expect perfection out of friends, but do select for loyalty above all else. In the end, that's the one quality in a friend that is non-negotiable.

 

[Speculation]

The altright subreddit was banned 3 hours ago, for sharing personal information.

My best guess is somebody posted the name of the girl who set the trump supporter's hair on fire.

I think they moved to voat. The_Donald is all alone on that site now, them and redpill of course.

I made a post about this in the reddit thread but you beat me to it.

 

[Ember]

So the 'Roosh Right' is a thing apparently. Congratulations!

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

Seems like low-end naval gazing from an idiot, to me.

Does anybody here want to "purge" Milo?

 

[Rocha]

So the 'Roosh Right' is a thing apparently. Congratulations!

At last! Finally something that fits me))

 

[John Michael Kane]

I think he's done a rather cursory job of understanding the #RooshRight. Most of us here aren't crazy about Milo's constant pushing of his homo sex life in our face. Homos have always had a tendency to be in-your-face about their bedroom antics. That grates on most straight men. Still, many, if not most men, on this discussion board seem him as a powerful force for cultural change in that he has absolutely lit up feminists, SJW's and college professors that are completely out of control. His gayness gives him a huge degree of cover. No non-gay man could have gotten away with as much as Milo without being completely destroyed. That is a fact. I'd argue that Milo is a net positive for cultural change. The latest riots at Berkeley just go to show your average citizen is now being exposed to the violent and radical revolutionary nature of the modern leftist.

Spencer is a moron, without any significant offline following from what I can tell. He's scheduled to do a campus tour like Milo, and even said Milo inspired him to do so. Milo has shown himself to be an excellent manipulator of the media for his own benefit. Spencer has proven far less adroit. I'm going to wager that Milo's crowds will best Spencer's crowds by 10-to-1 ratios. In fact, I'd wager that is Spencer goes on his promised college tour, that there will be more protesters (people on the right, center and left that don't like him) than there will be people actually attending his talks and cheering him on.

Roosh just said in his most recent podcast that Milo is more of a centrist on many issues, or moderate. I agree with that assessment. The left has moved so far left that everyone right of Mao, Stalin and Lenin are not "far-right". I'm in Roosh's camp that we need to get rid of the 19th Amendment (and perhaps get rid of voting for all men who are non-taxpyers), which is a far more radical idea than anything Milo has endorsed. If the West is going to survive, we will need a majority of women in the home, not slutting it around with corporate jobs and cats.

 

[weambulance]

I don't want to purge Milo or any of these other people or groups. I don't even want them to stop what they're doing. I'm just unafraid to call bullshit on things they say or do simply because we're "allies"--though, that's rather stretching the degree of affinity between some of these groups. The enemy of my enemy is just my enemy's enemy, not my friend per se*.

I know this is a crazy concept for some, but most grownups don't reflexively jump into purge mode every time they disagree with someone.




*I was thinking about that earlier today regarding refugees. I never thought about it in quite this way, but why in the fuck would we imagine refugees are our friends and allies, worth protecting, simply because they're "fleeing" people we don't like? If I was a soldier in Afghanistan and two tribes were duking it out, I wouldn't invite the losers into my outpost just because they were getting whipped. That would be moronic. And yet, that's what civilized people are shamed into doing by the foolish and nefarious alike. It's nothing but a nation-scale demand to "man up and marry those single moms and sluts", and just as ruinous if obeyed.

 

[Silver_Tube]

I sympathize with a lot of the milo and spencer stuff but it's just prioritized different for me. I prefer our site because of the individual focus, it is more practical than societal concerns. Self improvement, good game, seeing things as they really are and most importantly an actual fucking strategy for men to achieve happiness in our lives.

I for one don't see a need to purge anybody. I'd like for the racial guys to stop being so fat and nerdy and weird, I'd like for milo to be less degenerate, but they do good work in their own way, it is certainly a better arrangement than the mgtow and mra camps.

 

[John Michael Kane]

I sympathize with a lot of the milo and spencer stuff but it's just prioritized different for me. I prefer our site because of the individual focus, it is more practical than societal concerns. Self improvement, good game, seeing things as they really are and most importantly an actual fucking strategy for men to achieve happiness in our lives.

I for one don't see a need to purge anybody. I'd like for the racial guys to stop being so fat and nerdy and weird, I'd like for milo to be less degenerate, but they do good work in their own way, it is certainly a better arrangement than the mgtow and mra camps.

Well-said. You can't change society if you don't first change yourself. The MRA's look to women to give them their rights back. That will never work. Men take what is theirs. MGTOW have little to no investment in self-improvement. It is a losers philosophy and completely against nature to not want to find a woman to mate with and have children with at some point.

The point of growth for every man (including society at large) starts with the individual. That's why #Roosh Right has such a following, we don't accept men that aren't willing to work on themselves.

 

[Teedub]

^ Who is that John Rivers guy, and what makes him think he knows which 'Right' would 'purge' who?

Edit: weambulance beat me to it, completely immature nonsense.

 

[redbeard]

I don't want to purge Milo or any of these other people or groups. I don't even want them to stop what they're doing. I'm just unafraid to call bullshit on things they say or do simply because we're "allies"--though, that's rather stretching the degree of affinity between some of these groups. The enemy of my enemy is just my enemy's enemy, not my friend per se*.

I know this is a crazy concept for some, but most grownups don't reflexively jump into purge mode every time they disagree with someone.

Likewise, this is what's been happening on the left with third wave feminism. If you don't submit to every whim of the hivemind, you're labeled a bigot. There were countless moderate liberals who don't care about trannies but only want free school, who are being alienated by their own side. This is a mistake we must avoid and Trump supporters of all kinds should be appreciated for Making America Great Again.

 

[John Michael Kane]

Genuine tolerance is disagreeing civilly without having to resort to purges of "extremists" each time you disagree with someone. Part of the reason why feminism is such a mess is that nobody in the movement can agree on what it is. That's part of the reason why the alt-right is a mess right now. There's no clear leadership, and too much vying for attention.

We honestly need to create an alt-alt-right, but without "alt-right" in the name. The media already got to brand that term with the KKK. Time to move on to a new brand. It failed the A-B testing phase. Next!

 

[redbeard]

The "alt alt right" you seek is the "New Right," and will be defined by President Trump. Everyone else is insignificant.