Dutch farmers protest

hedonist

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I'm really starting to develop an unhealthy hate for the police. I always ''backed the blues'', but the way they've acted in the last 3 years is nothing short of SA troops during WWII.
Just to clarify I was referring to certain cops as the ones being idiots for defending the Klaus types not people defending the police!
 

RedLagoon

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
It's wild. It's nothing I've seen like during 2 years of lockdowns. They're going in hard, even storming police stations with tractors when people get arrested. Of course the riot police like the criminals they are are going all in also. But I didn't expect there was such power and resilience left in our soyed out country where everything is always positioned from a place of ''talking'' and ''tolerance''. This has been going on for a few weeks now and they have daily impact still. The essence is that because of the ''nitrogen crisis'' before 2030 (wink wink) the nitrogen levels have to go to extremely low levels, in accord with the climate change hoax. All of this is done of course to ruin the countryside, as many farmers will lose their companies. It was barely profitable anyway, and they already had to make a lot of adjustments for climate change requirements, and now they flat out have to diminish their companies, get rid of their cattle etc. To me this is all about destroying the last line of unity on the countryside, in preparation for the ''big city'' slave life of servitude that the regime envisions for us in the near to mid term future. They can't have a relatively independent, coherent layer in society that is in relative unison, they want atomized NPC's in their big city apartments who don't know their neighbors.

What I've learned through life is to never underestimate the Dutch.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
There are alot of dutch immigrants in my area, farmers. They are called "Dutch Reform" which I believe is some type of Calvinism. They do not work on sunday, marry their daughters young, have lots of kids (I know a guy from a family of 10), and are somewhat "inward" focussed to their community. They tend not to drink much, and prior to recently I don't think they allowed TVs.

The countryside may differ from the laws and general population, but I honestly don't really know.
It's calvinism indeed. We have a small Bible belt where there's some strong calvinist presence, but it's tiny. Besides that, you'll notice no religious influence anywhere, besides the Muzzies who comprise 50% of the big cities. I grew up in a mid size town and can say I never experienced any Christian influence untilI I started to look for it later in life. There's Christian schools, Christian football clubs, but it's in name only. There are a lot of churches though, but besides the area mentioned there's barely anyone going. I think the extreme atheism here can be explained by a big entrepreneurial spirit (we're going ''our own way''), a focus on not ''acting too crazy, but be normal instead'' (which in the climate now, anything supernatural is quickly frowned upon) and a historic tendency towards tolerance (many different groups of people, caths/prots/socs/libs, who had to work together someway, but if you tolerate everything you stand for nothing and there's no boundaries).
 

Jamal D

Woodpecker
Agnostic
I have a real problem understanding how blocking regular peoples supplies/freedom of movement is gonna work?

This will:
1. Give the politicians a scape goat for all economic downturn from here.
2. Starve and weaken the average Joe.

After watching the horrible Canadian cuck-driver convoys fail so miserably, I am a huge sceptic to all these so called protests.

The real impact would be to have targeted lock downs on the elites, and starve their households.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
I have a real problem understanding how blocking regular peoples supplies/freedom of movement is gonna work?

This will:
1. Give the politicians a scape goat for all economic downturn from here.
2. Starve and weaken the average Joe.

After watching the horrible Canadian cuckDu-driver convoys fail so miserably, I am a huge sceptic to all these so called protests.

The real impact would be to have targeted lock downs on the elites, and starve their households.

"Most" restrictions were reduced immediately after the Canadian Trucker Protest (facemasks, social distancing, not vax pass).
There was a massive change in sentimenet of the general population during this time. The government overplayed it's hand and is now viewed as corrupt / heavy handed.

Protests like the canadian truckers protest or this dutch farmers protest have an impact. I'd wager that the dutch farmers are a little more politically saavy than the Canadian Truckers. This protest shines a light on the actual implementation of the Agenda 2030 for agriculture, no nitrogen, no farms etc. If the population is on the protestors side, which I think they will be, it will be a win. Pople need to do something.

I think you fear the elites too much. Yes they will try to hi-jack causes, yes they will try to spin it, but they are not in control. They are just driving right now.

These farmers can't "move to the country and get a farm" like is often discussed on the forum. The NWO is coming for the Shire, so to speak. The city people are already prepped bug people.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Do real policemen wear jeans as an uniform?
These are the undercover forces from the riot police. They are known for eliciting violence from the crowd by starting fights, so that the riot police then can come in with this as an excuse. They merge with the protesters and then start fights amid them, or start throwing stones etc. Moreover, they can just pull up at the backend of a demo, get out and start hammering into people who don't see it coming. That's what they're doing here. It's very weird, but I think they need them so that the media can come out with headlines again how violent the protests were and how justified the police violence was.
 

C-Note

Hummingbird
Other Christian
Gold Member
"Most" restrictions were reduced immediately after the Canadian Trucker Protest (facemasks, social distancing, not vax pass).
There was a massive change in sentimenet of the general population during this time. The government overplayed it's hand and is now viewed as corrupt / heavy handed.

Protests like the canadian truckers protest or this dutch farmers protest have an impact. I'd wager that the dutch farmers are a little more politically saavy than the Canadian Truckers. This protest shines a light on the actual implementation of the Agenda 2030 for agriculture, no nitrogen, no farms etc. If the population is on the protestors side, which I think they will be, it will be a win. Pople need to do something.

I think you fear the elites too much. Yes they will try to hi-jack causes, yes they will try to spin it, but they are not in control. They are just driving right now.

These farmers can't "move to the country and get a farm" like is often discussed on the forum. The NWO is coming for the Shire, so to speak. The city people are already prepped bug people.
No offense to our Australian members, but one of the problems I saw with the anti-Covid19 protests last year and early this year in that country is that the majority of the protests were restricted to Saturdays and Sundays. The Canadian Freedom Convoy, in contrast, rolled right into the capital district and occupied it over a couple of weeks, provoking the government into recognizing it and responding.

The farmers in the Netherlands appear to be planning something similar. If they blockade the downtown government/corporate areas of the major cities in the country on weekdays, they will force the government to respond. Either the government will back down, ruthlessly crush the protest, or some combination of both as happened in Canada.
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic
These are the undercover forces from the riot police. They are known for eliciting violence from the crowd by starting fights, so that the riot police then can come in with this as an excuse. They merge with the protesters and then start fights amid them, or start throwing stones etc. Moreover, they can just pull up at the backend of a demo, get out and start hammering into people who don't see it coming. That's what they're doing here. It's very weird, but I think they need them so that the media can come out with headlines again how violent the protests were and how justified the police violence was.

Undercover? These guys still wear a police uniform jacket. Throwing stones with this clothing, really?
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic
These are the undercover forces from the riot police. They are known for eliciting violence from the crowd by starting fights, so that the riot police then can come in with this as an excuse. They merge with the protesters and then start fights amid them, or start throwing stones etc. Moreover, they can just pull up at the backend of a demo, get out and start hammering into people who don't see it coming. That's what they're doing here. It's very weird, but I think they need them so that the media can come out with headlines again how violent the protests were and how justified the police violence was.

Undercover? These guys still wear a police uniform jacket. Throwing stones with this clothing, really?
 

Bird

Pelican
Catholic
These are the undercover forces from the riot police. They are known for eliciting violence from the crowd by starting fights, so that the riot police then can come in with this as an excuse. They merge with the protesters and then start fights amid them, or start throwing stones etc. Moreover, they can just pull up at the backend of a demo, get out and start hammering into people who don't see it coming. That's what they're doing here. It's very weird, but I think they need them so that the media can come out with headlines again how violent the protests were and how justified the police violence was.

Undercover? These guys still wear a police uniform jacket. Throwing stones with this clothing, really?
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Undercover? These guys still wear a police uniform jacket. Throwing stones with this clothing, really?
They indeed change appearance. Sometimes they're in semi riot police outfit, sometimes they're plain undercover in normal clothes. Are there mentions of this also in Germany? I can imagine that they apply these tactics across the board. During the corona demo's it was a given that before the demo there would be big heaps of stones set in certain places along the demo's route, without any working going on. So it's been widely assumed that the police themselves actually put the stones there, either to provoke people to start throwing them, or throw them themselves through the said infiltration.

They do this more often apparantly, as here with football supporters at 0.35:



Or here, 0.32.



Their presence will tell that something's off, as they walk around in groups. They're often spotted during demo's. Like here, without any police clothing.

 
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Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I'm watching the Dutch farmers protests with interest in order to see how the rulers respond, especially after the Canadian truckers protests, which achieved some concessions, but were eventually crushed bloodlessly by arresting a few of the leaders, one opposition MP, and freezing the bank accounts of many who funded it, as well as their family's accts.

I sort of expect the same results to play out in The Netherlands. I think that essentially incompetent politicians will fail the way Trudeau went and hid somewhere for, what was it—a couple of weeks?—until their handlers figure out how to deal with the problem and give them an ELI5 on how to invoke emergency measures.

We might see in Europe some of the things that happened in Canada, such as private towing companies that refused to remove the big trucks and part of the emergency measures enacted by the government was the ability to force them to comply with police.
 

Laner

Crow
Protestant
Gold Member
"Most" restrictions were reduced immediately after the Canadian Trucker Protest (facemasks, social distancing, not vax pass).
There was a massive change in sentimenet of the general population during this time. The government overplayed it's hand and is now viewed as corrupt / heavy handed.

Protests like the canadian truckers protest or this dutch farmers protest have an impact. I'd wager that the dutch farmers are a little more politically saavy than the Canadian Truckers. This protest shines a light on the actual implementation of the Agenda 2030 for agriculture, no nitrogen, no farms etc. If the population is on the protestors side, which I think they will be, it will be a win. Pople need to do something.

I think you fear the elites too much. Yes they will try to hi-jack causes, yes they will try to spin it, but they are not in control. They are just driving right now.

These farmers can't "move to the country and get a farm" like is often discussed on the forum. The NWO is coming for the Shire, so to speak. The city people are already prepped bug people.

No offense to our Australian members, but one of the problems I saw with the anti-Covid19 protests last year and early this year in that country is that the majority of the protests were restricted to Saturdays and Sundays. The Canadian Freedom Convoy, in contrast, rolled right into the capital district and occupied it over a couple of weeks, provoking the government into recognizing it and responding.

The farmers in the Netherlands appear to be planning something similar. If they blockade the downtown government/corporate areas of the major cities in the country on weekdays, they will force the government to respond. Either the government will back down, ruthlessly crush the protest, or some combination of both as happened in Canada.

The Canadian government is still acting like the Truckers are hiding behind every corner. There was even talks of banning Canadian flags on Canada day in Ottawa. There is video of elderly women getting hassled and threatened by scumbag officers for giving away Canadian flags. Also, Trudeau there will still be no sitting parliament until next year, meaning all MP's can zoom in from their shitter (yes, it happened) for another year.

The Canadian Truckers most successful outcome is that it moved most Canadians from the sidelines and into the game. This normally does not happen here, so I see that as a huge win. It also showed the rest of Canada just how big of insufferable, whiney, entitled and nasty the people of Ottawa are - and just how much they hate the rest of Canada.
 

Jamal D

Woodpecker
Agnostic
The exact same people are still in control in Canada.

Let`s see what the coming winter brings, and if dancing in the streets helped instill fear in your leaders.

The Dutch strategy is still horrible, since it does not target the right people. I would love to see their leaders get a proper 2 yr lockdown while the rest of the population got on with their lives.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
No offense to our Australian members, but one of the problems I saw with the anti-Covid19 protests last year and early this year in that country is that the majority of the protests were restricted to Saturdays and Sundays. The Canadian Freedom Convoy, in contrast, rolled right into the capital district and occupied it over a couple of weeks, provoking the government into recognizing it and responding.

The farmers in the Netherlands appear to be planning something similar. If they blockade the downtown government/corporate areas of the major cities in the country on weekdays, they will force the government to respond. Either the government will back down, ruthlessly crush the protest, or some combination of both as happened in Canada.

The Canadian truck protest did not actively blockade the government or any other key economic activity per se, they just parked their trucks in the capital's downtown area and honked, govt paper pushers were still allowed to get to work (at least the minority that weren't "working" form home collecting their paychecks), though it took them an extra 10-15 min to get to work and they had to endure the round the clock honking.

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In a way it was a perfect protest, in that it was a large show of force that remained peaceful, positive and festive, with great optics that the rest of the nation could rally behind. Blue collar patriots braving a cold February winter weather in a loud but peaceful and friendly protest! The protesters won when they turned the Canadian flag into their protest symbol. Cops were stopping cars going into Ottawa with Canadian flags, and supporters on the highways were waving the flag. That's when I knew the government lost the fight. As NoMoreTO mentioned as well, the Canadian Truck Protest was largely successful, the stringent vax mandates fell right afterwards due to their action. They directly shook up the government of Alberta and threatened to recall the Premier, which forced him to lift the mandate there, and this started a chain reaction across the country.

It was also, as my Canadian buddy NoMoreTO mentioned, a huge global success in terms of shaking up demoralized, brutalized and silent citizens all over and inspiring protests all around the Western world. They set the tone for the farmers in the Netherlands and beyond.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
A very small number of protestors did shut down the bridge from Windsor to Detroit for about a week or ten days, I think, which was beautiful, and the police response was, IMO, much more reasonable than Ottawa, where they enacted emergency measures and threw some of the leaders in jail, or Alberta, where the RCMP trashed some farm equipment and then planted evidence in order to frame some farmers for weapons violations.
 
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