Dutch man waits 10 days in Chinese airport for online girlfriend

[TravelerKai]

Those broads make Miss Michigan look good.

At least their eyes are not crooked. Regardless, these 3 + Miss Michigan have no business being in a beauty pageant for America nor China.

 

[XPQ22]

For most this is probably a funny story, but for me it's just plain sad. I don't laugh with these kinds of betas anymore, he is just a product of a failed environment/society.

I get the sense that he may legitimately suffer from some form of medically diagnosable mental illness, so it's hard to get too riled up.

Date FOBs all you want, you won't be treated the same as meeting girls there. Get pissed off at their driving in the local Chinatown all you want, the driving in China is 100x worse. Think Chinese men are skinny, weak, and effeminate-like all you want, the ones inside "Real" China have 8-12 pack abs, smoke alot, drink alot, and would kick most of your asses.

For all you guys that have lived in China but live in a tier1 or 2 city. If you never seen local Chinese gang members take over a major street, seen firecrackers thrown everywhere for holidays, weddings, funerals, or bought your groceries at an outdoor market, you still haven't seen the Real China. Keep fooling yourself on what you think all Chinese people are.

No doubt that what you say is true. Forgive me, but it suddenly made me remember this vid:

 

[NapoleonDynamighty]

This reminds me of the time I met a guy who stood in a queue to fuck his own wife .

 

[eradicator]

This reminds me of the time I met a guy who stood in a queue to fuck his own wife .

Do tell

 

[XPQ22]

This reminds me of the time I met a guy who stood in a queue to fuck his own wife .

"Fuck the Queen!" the king said, and ten men were killed in the rush, because the king's word was law.

 

[Suits]

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Give me a break with the MGTOW junk. Betting all in at the card table on a girl online with no backup plan is beyond foolish. Even the girl thought he was fucking playing around and not really serious about it. To top it all off he used a dating site notorious for scammers. The only site worse than this one is DateInAsia.com. Unless you are already inside China lots of Chinese women online will take you half serious on meeting up. That's just part of the culture. Do all of them do this? No.

Look how fast he rebounded. He got lucky and landed in the right place. He should stay in Hunan because if he went up there to Beijing with you, he would have it much, much harder. Unlike you, he has not given up on looking for love and it looks like his efforts will reward him. Even though his planning was foolish, his effort was stellar. If he is looking for wife material, he has the right attitude and now he is in the number one ranked (based on marriage visa data) province for foreign wives.

If I could just touch the bottom of his garment (Jesus), comes to my mind when I think about this.

Guys who have met me are going to have a laugh about you calling me MGTOW, but before I get to that, I need to clarify something.

How much time have you actual spent in China, not including Taiwan?

 

[TravelerKai]

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Give me a break with the MGTOW junk. Betting all in at the card table on a girl online with no backup plan is beyond foolish. Even the girl thought he was fucking playing around and not really serious about it. To top it all off he used a dating site notorious for scammers. The only site worse than this one is DateInAsia.com. Unless you are already inside China lots of Chinese women online will take you half serious on meeting up. That's just part of the culture. Do all of them do this? No.

Look how fast he rebounded. He got lucky and landed in the right place. He should stay in Hunan because if he went up there to Beijing with you, he would have it much, much harder. Unlike you, he has not given up on looking for love and it looks like his efforts will reward him. Even though his planning was foolish, his effort was stellar. If he is looking for wife material, he has the right attitude and now he is in the number one ranked (based on marriage visa data) province for foreign wives.

If I could just touch the bottom of his garment (Jesus), comes to my mind when I think about this.

Guys who have met you are going to have a laugh about you calling me MGTOW, but before I get to that, I need to clarify something.

How much time have you actual spent in China, not including Taiwan?

Don't even think about calling me out. I won't answer stupid questions like this. This has nothing to do with amount of time spent. Your 8 years may be more than mine, but that does not mean that you know what all Chinese men and women are like nor does it mean that you know a great deal about China. I managed a Shanghai office for a multinational company very early in my IT career. My combined years of studying Chinese at the university, my career work, Chinese consulting work, business ventures with Chinese businessmen, and everything else is longer than the time you lived there.

You yourself has said on this forum more than once that you hate Chinese women. If you do not like them, why should anyone even take what you say about how they are as people seriously? Think about that for a minute. If I don't like dating American Black women and haven't dated one in probably going on 5 years now. My wife is Chinese. Why on Earth would I go around telling other dudes that Black American women are awesome or that they should date them? If I do not practice anything close to what I preach, it is disingenuous.

And yes, AWALT attitudes are MGTOW diatribe. Just because you get laid regularly does not exempt you from that. It's a negative attitude that is not real masculinity. Like Roosh said, no Men's Movement will ever grow, if they do not advocate healthy relationships with women. It is obvious for anyone that has ever read most of your posts, you are completely uninterested in such and you subscribe to the perpetual player lifestyle. Nothing with that, we won't all be fathers, husbands, and whatnot, but you cannot say that you are not spreading MGTOW/anti-relationship stuff with AWALT comments like this.

 

[Suits]

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Give me a break with the MGTOW junk. Betting all in at the card table on a girl online with no backup plan is beyond foolish. Even the girl thought he was fucking playing around and not really serious about it. To top it all off he used a dating site notorious for scammers. The only site worse than this one is DateInAsia.com. Unless you are already inside China lots of Chinese women online will take you half serious on meeting up. That's just part of the culture. Do all of them do this? No.

Look how fast he rebounded. He got lucky and landed in the right place. He should stay in Hunan because if he went up there to Beijing with you, he would have it much, much harder. Unlike you, he has not given up on looking for love and it looks like his efforts will reward him. Even though his planning was foolish, his effort was stellar. If he is looking for wife material, he has the right attitude and now he is in the number one ranked (based on marriage visa data) province for foreign wives.

If I could just touch the bottom of his garment (Jesus), comes to my mind when I think about this.

Guys who have met you are going to have a laugh about you calling me MGTOW, but before I get to that, I need to clarify something.

How much time have you actual spent in China, not including Taiwan?

Don't even think about calling me out. I won't answer stupid questions like this. This has nothing to do with amount of time spent. Your 8 years may be more than mine, but that does not mean that you know what all Chinese men and women are like nor does it mean that you know a great deal about China. I managed a Shanghai office for a multinational company very early in my IT career. My combined years of studying Chinese at the university, my career work, Chinese consulting work, business ventures with Chinese businessmen, and everything else is longer than the time you lived there.

I won't respond to your entire post here, because I'm confident that this is something that we could talk out by email more effectively. You're a reasonable man, so I have no concerns.

My interest in the amount of time you've spent in China is based entirely in my interest in understanding where you are coming from. If I'm going to engage with someone, I need to know how much common ground we share.

As far as calling you out in a manner that would be personally embarrassing to you (and of no utility to the forum), I could very easily do that and could have done so a long time ago. I have zero interest in doing so because I know that vast amount of effort you've put into helping and supporting the other men of this forum, especially young guys who need a father figure. Aside from Roosh founding this forum, I don't know of another guy who has been as good for this community as you, so I harbor no ill will.

If you want to hit me with more aggressive posts, by all means, carry on. I'm not going to do the same to you.

 

[TravelerKai]

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Give me a break with the MGTOW junk. Betting all in at the card table on a girl online with no backup plan is beyond foolish. Even the girl thought he was fucking playing around and not really serious about it. To top it all off he used a dating site notorious for scammers. The only site worse than this one is DateInAsia.com. Unless you are already inside China lots of Chinese women online will take you half serious on meeting up. That's just part of the culture. Do all of them do this? No.

Look how fast he rebounded. He got lucky and landed in the right place. He should stay in Hunan because if he went up there to Beijing with you, he would have it much, much harder. Unlike you, he has not given up on looking for love and it looks like his efforts will reward him. Even though his planning was foolish, his effort was stellar. If he is looking for wife material, he has the right attitude and now he is in the number one ranked (based on marriage visa data) province for foreign wives.

If I could just touch the bottom of his garment (Jesus), comes to my mind when I think about this.

Guys who have met you are going to have a laugh about you calling me MGTOW, but before I get to that, I need to clarify something.

How much time have you actual spent in China, not including Taiwan?

Don't even think about calling me out. I won't answer stupid questions like this. This has nothing to do with amount of time spent. Your 8 years may be more than mine, but that does not mean that you know what all Chinese men and women are like nor does it mean that you know a great deal about China. I managed a Shanghai office for a multinational company very early in my IT career. My combined years of studying Chinese at the university, my career work, Chinese consulting work, business ventures with Chinese businessmen, and everything else is longer than the time you lived there.

I won't respond to your entire post here, because I'm confident that this is something that we could talk out by email more effectively. You're a reasonable man, so I have no concerns.

My interest in the amount of time you've spent in China is based entirely in my interest in understanding where you are coming from. If I'm going to engage with someone, I need to know how much common ground we share.

As far as calling you out in a manner that would be personally embarrassing to you (and of no utility to the forum), I could very easily do that and could have done so a long time ago. I have zero interest in doing so because I know that vast amount of effort you've put into helping and supporting the other men of this forum, especially young guys who need a father figure. Aside from Roosh founding this forum, I don't know of another guy who has been as good for this community as you, so I harbor no ill will.

If you want to hit me with more aggressive posts, by all means, carry on. I'm not going to do the same to you.

That's fine. If you think that I am fraudulent, by all means I encourage you to send me a PM with your concerns so that I may address them.
Thanks.

 

[Suits]

That's fine. If you think that I am fraudulent, by all means I encourage you to send me a PM with your concerns so that I may address them.
Thanks.

No one here thinks you are fraudulent.

 

[Fortis]

I think this thread brings up a very good point that all players should be aware of when dealing with Chinese chicks. I had to learn this one the hard way and many of you will have to as well, but it bears mentioning:

When you scrape the bottom of the barrel (especially with Chinese chicks) do not be surprised when they try to pull the wool over your eyes or fuck you over.

Story time:

I once invited a chick off off of tantan or wechat nearby to my apartment and she almost started a physical fight after I banged her because I wouldn't give her money.

This bitch was acting like I was taking food off the table, but I refused to budge and she left.

I did some snooping around about this chick and it turns out this bitch is a landlord in Huizhou! For those of you who aren't familiar, Huizhou is a suburb/city near Shenzhen. If you own a few properties in Huizhou you have money. Lots of rich dudes in SZ buy houses in Huizhou so they can chill outside of SZ with a mistress or two on their down time.

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

The chick was not attractive and she was a bit older (32-35) and I was definitely punching down on that bang.

I often warn newer Americans in china about the perils of KTV girls, old chicks and other danger magnets in china. They may be hot, but I don't want to hear it when something bad happens when you go after those sorts of girls.

:lol:

Weird chicks online who are sheepish about meeting up for months on end? Total danger magnet in my book.

 

[Kapostatus13]

This dude is the definition of a mega simp. He flew all the way to China looking like that and expecting to date some Asian beauty. If he took one good look in the mirror he would realize he isn't worth no beauty. He's unattractive and looks like a heavy drug addict. What he needs is to get his health on track. I don't realize how delusional men can be, talk about some serious entitlement issues. In the game you can't get whatever you want, women do the choosing.

She must of saw him at the airport and ended up booking a flight out the country to get away from him. LOLLL

 

[Fortis]

^ What you have to realize about China is that dudes who look that way can very often land a cute chick, especially if that chick is from a small village and doesn't know what a good looking white person looks like. This goes double for dudes with something else going on like musical talent, business acumen or other things.

I occasionally see some stunners with total dweebs: old dudes, ugly dudes or just plain weird dudes.

 

[Fast Eddie]

I think this thread brings up a very good point that all players should be aware of when dealing with Chinese chicks. I had to learn this one the hard way and many of you will have to as well, but it bears mentioning:

When you scrape the bottom of the barrel (especially with Chinese chicks) do not be surprised when they try to pull the wool over your eyes or fuck you over.

Story time:

I once invited a chick off off of tantan or wechat nearby to my apartment and she almost started a physical fight after I banged her because I wouldn't give her money.

This bitch was acting like I was taking food off the table, but I refused to budge and she left.

I did some snooping around about this chick and it turns out this bitch is a landlord in Huizhou! For those of you who aren't familiar, Huizhou is a suburb/city near Shenzhen. If you own a few properties in Huizhou you have money. Lots of rich dudes in SZ buy houses in Huizhou so they can chill outside of SZ with a mistress or two on their down time.

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

The chick was not attractive and she was a bit older (32-35) and I was definitely punching down on that bang.

I often warn newer Americans in china about the perils of KTV girls, old chicks and other danger magnets in china. They may be hot, but I don't want to hear it when something bad happens when you go after those sorts of girls.

:lol:

Weird chicks online who are sheepish about meeting up for months on end? Total danger magnet in my book.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

 

[DarkTriad]

You guys, better hold onto your seats, because here comes the real Suitsnalysis.

What's more likely? This girl has enough money to pay for a plastic surgery all on her own? Or she has two dozen beta "boyfriends" who have never met her sending her money?

One of the fun aspects of the Chinese mind is that they simply choose to ignore anything information that isn't what they want to acknowledge. So, when he sent her a picture of his airline tickets, it didn't fit with her plan (to gouge him for money) so she just ignored it. She knew he was coming, but is was easier to pretend that he wasn't.

Of course, living a lie was so important to her that she still needed to call up a radio station to share her side of the story.

Guys who think that Chinese women are submissive and great wives should keep this story in mind. Chinese women are actually sneakier and more underhanded than Western women. AWALT.

Good post, but you're missing a big hunk of her game here. "Plastic surgery" doesn't make your phone stop working. There wasn't any plastic surgery to begin with, she's just setting up her "botched plastic surgery which is why I don't look like my picture anymore" game.

 

[Fortis]

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

Eddie, I didn't say that you should only go for chicks who come straight over to your apartment. That's a great way to get herpes. I can only think of a few girls who did that with me, but the one who started a fight with me is the one that really stands out. On the other hand, I have had a girl or two come over, fuck and never bother me again. I am still of the opinion that that is not so common in a place like Shenzhen.

Sure, I laugh at dudes for the same thing. I know of a foreigner who was here for 2 weeks and got the clap off of some chick he fucked in a KTV. I told him that KTV girls are soft (or even hard) prostitutes and that he should have known better.

All the other dudes in the room were arguing with me about it, but the proof is in the pudding. Don't fuck KTV girls if you value your health.

I have told dudes here that going on 2-3 dates with a decent chick is common and expected. It takes some guys, especially americans, a little time to adjust because a 3 date bang is very uncommon. 3 days with a chick without so much as a kiss close is usually friendzone territory in a place like NY/NJ. All that considered it isn't that hard to pull ONS here if you utilize your extended social circle and invite already warmed up girls for dinner and stuff.

I banged a few ex-students of mine that way. I hated being an english teacher, but teaching adults seems to have been well worth it from a pussy perspective. A lot of girls were looking to get fucked on the low.


When I say super evasive I'm talking about the sorts of girls who you message on tantan or meet in person, snag their wechats and then try to schedule a meet up with but never hear from again until they get bored and message you. These girls are seemingly nice and many are attractive, but they have no intention of ever meeting you and they will string you along and waste your time. I see this a lot. I occasionally see dudes in wechat groups asking "what do I say to her to get her to meet up with me."

There is nothing you can say to those chicks. They have made up their mind that they want a foreign penpal and you are it.

There are LOTS of girls who are online simply to hang out and waste your time. I don't mind talking to a chick for a bit to get her warmed up to me, but if she is always unwilling to meet up then she's low value in my book. A high-value chick could just get English lessons instead of lying to dudes online and pretending they want to meet up.

Point blank: if she won't meet up with you after you spend a bit of time building rapport with her, then she's low value and not worth pursuing.

 

[Il Bersagliere]

Now, what does this have to do with this thread? Any chick trolling around online who won't meet you is low value. Do not waste your time trying to snag chicks who are super evasive online. They will ALWAYS turn out to be huge pains in the end. The girl from the story above wasn't hard to get over to my spot, but I was definitely slumming (or so I thought) when I invited her straight over for a late night bang.

I disagree with this. On the whole, the girls who agree to come straight to your apartment from Tan Tan will be the low grade thrash. A girl's (hopefully surmountable) reluctance to meet you IRL might not necessarily indicate she's of good quality, but it's at least a good sign. I always laugh at my fellow foreign friends in China. They're desperate to fuck a bitch straight from Tan Tan same day or pull some club sluts and then complain all their girls are straight garbage.

No shit. I tell them they're filtering for trash and if they want to avoid crazy bitches or gold diggers they should be willing to go on dates, but they say it's too much work. To which my reply is always "you get what you pay for" or one of the other countless aphorisms conveying the same meaning, the very number and diversity of which is itself evidence of their veracity.

Eddie, I didn't say that you should only go for chicks who come straight over to your apartment. That's a great way to get herpes. I can only think of a few girls who did that with me, but the one who started a fight with me is the one that really stands out. On the other hand, I have had a girl or two come over, fuck and never bother me again. I am still of the opinion that that is not so common in a place like Shenzhen.

Sure, I laugh at dudes for the same thing. I know of a foreigner who was here for 2 weeks and got the clap off of some chick he fucked in a KTV. I told him that KTV girls are soft (or even hard) prostitutes and that he should have known better.

All the other dudes in the room were arguing with me about it, but the proof is in the pudding. Don't fuck KTV girls if you value your health.

I have told dudes here that going on 2-3 dates with a decent chick is common and expected. It takes some guys, especially americans, a little time to adjust because a 3 date bang is very uncommon. 3 days with a chick without so much as a kiss close is usually friendzone territory in a place like NY/NJ. All that considered it isn't that hard to pull ONS here if you utilize your extended social circle and invite already warmed up girls for dinner and stuff.

I banged a few ex-students of mine that way. I hated being an english teacher, but teaching adults seems to have been well worth it from a pussy perspective. A lot of girls were looking to get fucked on the low.


When I say super evasive I'm talking about the sorts of girls who you message on tantan or meet in person, snag their wechats and then try to schedule a meet up with but never hear from again until they get bored and message you. These girls are seemingly nice and many are attractive, but they have no intention of ever meeting you and they will string you along and waste your time. I see this a lot. I occasionally see dudes in wechat groups asking "what do I say to her to get her to meet up with me."

There is nothing you can say to those chicks. They have made up their mind that they want a foreign penpal and you are it.

There are LOTS of girls who are online simply to hang out and waste your time. I don't mind talking to a chick for a bit to get her warmed up to me, but if she is always unwilling to meet up then she's low value in my book. A high-value chick could just get English lessons instead of lying to dudes online and pretending they want to meet up.

Point blank: if she won't meet up with you after you spend a bit of time building rapport with her, then she's low value and not worth pursuing.

What would you say for a more westernized place like HK/SH? Are the women more willing to meet up or do they do the whole "I wanna learn English" rigmarole? I do not have that much China experience to tell, but would a large foreign presence change that vibe?

I like the idea of China and I'm open to it. I just do not like a slow dating/banging pace.

 

[Fortis]

I don't know about HK or SH really. I think Fast Eddie is in SH.

Honestly, you can sort of circumvent the whole 3 dating thing if you pick dates with chicks you like. That way the second date is at your apartment for movie/dinner/wine tasting and then bang. Another way that I skirt going on super long dates is by banging chicks I meet through my social circle. They're already pre-warmed up and willing to come chill at my spot for the first or second date.

The "I want to learn English" rigamarole can be circumvented if they will meet up with you. I've had a girl come over at 10pm to "study english" and I gave her a lesson in getting banged. The thing to remember is to watch their actions, not their words. A girl may say she wants to study english, but she comes to your apartment in a short shorts and just smile and giggle at you.






Honestly, black man to black man, I might check out other spots in Asia before I come to China. I am not saying don't come at all, but I think many black men here would agree that it can be tough. China has a bit of a learning curve for black dudes (especially black dudes who don't speak Mandarin), so it can be a lot more challenging than the Phils or Thailand, but I do enjoy it here, so I'm not complaining. If you want an idea of how tough it was for me, then just go check out the old posts I made in the Shenzhen thread. Lots and lots of LOLS there.

The other thing that destroys dudes early on is that it seems like their "game" isn't working. A lot of game fundamentals, like cocky and funny, are actually counter-productive if you're dealing with some chick who speaks low-level English and just wants to hang out with a nice foreigner.

I've had to unlearn a lot of behaviors here and that took time.

 

[RichieP]

Solid info as per usual Fortis, cheers.

I'm curious about that landlord - why did she ask for money after? What's the psychology behind that?

Seems super odd and in the west it'd be so demeaning, but maybe in china it's something about "not being cheap"... or what do you think?

 

[Fortis]

^ Many Chinese girls see sex as something that is transactional. So she is fucking you to get something. This isn't all girls, but don't be surprised when you hear foreigners talking about all the money they throw at chicks and stuff.

The way she probably saw it was like this:

"Oh shit. I just came over to this dude's house and fucked him for free!? I'm not supposed to do that. Time to start a fight and get something from him."

I knew a girl out here who had a boyfriend and a side-piece simply because they'd both throw her money. I think I talked about it in the Chinese dating guide thread before. There was some chick I fucked within 10 minutes of talking to her on Wechat (I'm not even joking; She lived around the corner.) A few weeks later I hit her up and ask her to come hang out and she says to me "are you going to give me some money?"

It's really fucking bizarre since I'm from USA and this NEVER happens, but many Chinese dudes run strictly money game. This isn't all of them, but a lot of those rich Chinese guys who are tagging lots of chicks are straight up opening their wallets, buying iPhones for girls, taking them shopping and then fucking them.

It isn't something any of us would do since it goes against many proscriptions within our western societies but those proscriptions aren't present in China.

I'm not even making it up. I know a rich Shenzhen local who was asking girls in our social circle if they wanted to go to Hong Kong and go "shopping" with him.

:lol:

In America, I'd say that dude was a total simp but he bangs chicks in china doing it and it seems to be a real thing here.