Economic effects of the Russo-Ukrainian War

[CaliforniaBased]

The one thing that democrats and republicans agree on almost unilaterally is that we need to keep sending more money for the Ukrainian war effort. We’ve had some dumb wars in recent years(Iraq, Afghanistan, to name a couple) but the Ukrainian war is the dumbest, apparently Ukraine is our greatest ally? After maybe Israel

The whole point is to harm Russia - a long time rival to the United States and a serious competitor in the arms industry and a major enabler of America's other enemies.

Afghanistan was a very dumb war - ungovernable , and not very natural resource rich. The Taliban goverement had little ability to harm the US or American interests. Iraq was a more successful campaign - Sadaam controlled a seriously oil rich nation and was not particularly amicable to Israel or the gulf states. Occupying Iraq was not such a successful move - but knocking out Sadaam was. However, if Sadaam was removed and US ground forces did not occupy the country - Iran's proxies may have taken over.

Libya was largely successful - a hostile goverment was destroyed at low cost to the US.

I am not supporting any of these actions - I am simply explaining the motives and outcomes from the point of view of America's elite.

 

[911]

^Good points overall, but Afghanistan is actually very rich in resources, though not as easy to get to as most deposits are in remote areas run or raided by rebels. I think China is going to got to those in the next few years.

 

[TruckDriver9]

 

[DRIIIVER]

Winds of Change - Vox Day​

I don’t think The Scorpions will be writing any ballads if the rumors that Germany is attempting to break free of US hegemony are true:

Solid German business sources completely contradict the “message” delivered by the German Council on Foreign Relations on the trip to China. According to these sources, the Scholz caravan went to Beijing to essentially lay down the preparatory steps for working out a peace deal with Russia, with China as privileged messenger.
This is – literally – as explosive, geopolitically and geoeconomically, as it gets. As I pointed out in one of my previous columns, Berlin and Moscow were keeping a secret communication back channel – via business interlocutors – right to the minute the usual suspects, in desperation, decided to blow up the Nord Streams.
Cue to the now-notorious SMS from Liz Truss’s iPhone to Tony Blinken, one minute after the explosions: “It’s done.”
There’s more: the Scholz caravan may be trying to start a long and convoluted process of eventually replacing the US with China as a key ally. One should never forget that the top BRI trade/connectivity terminal in the EU is Germany (the Ruhr valley).
According to one of the sources, “if this effort is successful, then Germany, China and Russia can ally themselves together and drive the US out of Europe.”
Another source provided the cherry on the cake: “Olaf Scholz is being accompanied on this trip by German industrialists who actually control Germany and are not going to sit back watching themselves being destroyed.”

The borders of the Great Bifurcation may not be what the rulers of the neo-liberal world order believe they are going to be. They’ve already discovered that 87 percent of the global population are on the other side of the fence, and that 87 percent may be growing as Europeans realize that their US-imposed “freedom and democracy” is actually nothing more than a long-term societal suicide pact.

The remarkable truth of the matter is that it would probably be less economically painful for Europe to cut ties with the USA than with both Russian and China. So, the real question would appear to be how intent is China on undercutting the global dominance of the USA.

I wish it were needless to say that a peaceful transition to a bifurcated global economy would be a much better outcome than Europe needing the Sino-Russian Alliance to militarily defeat the USA in order to remove Europe’s subordination to the globalist elite. But history suggests that at least some amount of direct war between the forces of the Nationalist Alliance and the US military in service to the Neo-Liberal Empire will be necessary before the latter accepts the situation.

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This would be a wild turn of events. There is a significant incentive for Europe to throw off the yoke of American parasitic demoncracy and the proliferation of its military bases, weapons, and personnel currently garrisoning nearly every European country given the obvious Nord Stream sabotage and the tightening of Germany and et als economic “freedom”.

I don’t think the cabal would allow American dominance to fall without the entire West collapsing in on itself. Could this be the end of the West as we know it today?

It really is a “if I go down, we all go down, SHTF” type situation.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Winds of Change - Vox Day​

I don’t think The Scorpions will be writing any ballads if the rumors that Germany is attempting to break free of US hegemony are true:


The borders of the Great Bifurcation may not be what the rulers of the neo-liberal world order believe they are going to be. They’ve already discovered that 87 percent of the global population are on the other side of the fence, and that 87 percent may be growing as Europeans realize that their US-imposed “freedom and democracy” is actually nothing more than a long-term societal suicide pact.

The remarkable truth of the matter is that it would probably be less economically painful for Europe to cut ties with the USA than with both Russian and China. So, the real question would appear to be how intent is China on undercutting the global dominance of the USA.

I wish it were needless to say that a peaceful transition to a bifurcated global economy would be a much better outcome than Europe needing the Sino-Russian Alliance to militarily defeat the USA in order to remove Europe’s subordination to the globalist elite. But history suggests that at least some amount of direct war between the forces of the Nationalist Alliance and the US military in service to the Neo-Liberal Empire will be necessary before the latter accepts the situation.

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This would be a wild turn of events. There is a significant incentive for Europe to throw off the yoke of American parasitic demoncracy and the proliferation of its military bases, weapons, and personnel currently garrisoning nearly every European country given the obvious Nord Stream sabotage and the tightening of Germany and et als economic “freedom”.

I don’t think the cabal would allow American dominance to fall without the entire West collapsing in on itself. Could this be the end of the West as we know it today?

It really is a “if I go down, we all go down, SHTF” type situation.

That's a wild fantasy. Why would a hard core globalist minion like Scholz be secretly plotting peace with Russia via China?

This is on the level of "Trump is secretly still the president and preparing mass arrests from a hidden nuclear bunker", and it's no wonder that a career attention whore like Vox Day would be promoting it.

 

[Caduceus]

Winds of Change - Vox Day​

I don’t think The Scorpions will be writing any ballads if the rumors that Germany is attempting to break free of US hegemony are true:


The borders of the Great Bifurcation may not be what the rulers of the neo-liberal world order believe they are going to be. They’ve already discovered that 87 percent of the global population are on the other side of the fence, and that 87 percent may be growing as Europeans realize that their US-imposed “freedom and democracy” is actually nothing more than a long-term societal suicide pact.

The remarkable truth of the matter is that it would probably be less economically painful for Europe to cut ties with the USA than with both Russian and China. So, the real question would appear to be how intent is China on undercutting the global dominance of the USA.

I wish it were needless to say that a peaceful transition to a bifurcated global economy would be a much better outcome than Europe needing the Sino-Russian Alliance to militarily defeat the USA in order to remove Europe’s subordination to the globalist elite. But history suggests that at least some amount of direct war between the forces of the Nationalist Alliance and the US military in service to the Neo-Liberal Empire will be necessary before the latter accepts the situation.

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This would be a wild turn of events. There is a significant incentive for Europe to throw off the yoke of American parasitic demoncracy and the proliferation of its military bases, weapons, and personnel currently garrisoning nearly every European country given the obvious Nord Stream sabotage and the tightening of Germany and et als economic “freedom”.

I don’t think the cabal would allow American dominance to fall without the entire West collapsing in on itself. Could this be the end of the West as we know it today?

It really is a “if I go down, we all go down, SHTF” type situation.

Vox Day spewing his usual garbage clickbait fantasies.
There are over 30,000 US troops permanently stationed in Germany, and dozens of military bases across the country.
Germany hasn't been a free and sovereign country since 1945, and is no position to rid itself of US occupation and control.
Same goes for Italy, South Korea, and Japan.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Vox Day spewing his usual garbage clickbait fantasies.
There are over 30,000 US troops permanently stationed in Germany, and dozens of military bases across the country.
Germany hasn't been a free and sovereign country since 1945, and is no position to rid itself of US occupation and control.
Same goes for Italy, South Korea, and Japan.

Well, as proved by Afghanistan and USA's disastrous defeat by illiterate goat herders there, any country can liberate itself if it's determined to do so. It's not like the pathetic soy-nation of USA is capable of militarily occupying a massive country of 85 million people anymore, and those 30.000 troops would be helpless in case a real revolution started happening.

I mean, can you ever get tired of this gem?



Getting to the political and national will to undergo said liberation, however, is an impossible task. The massive brainwashing that USA subjected the poor Germans to after WW2 has done a number on them permanently, and they are probably the least likely in the world to ever rise up because that would be anti-semitic, or something.

 

[GuitarVH]

The massive brainwashing that USA subjected the poor Germans to after WW2 has done a number on them permanently, and they are probably the least likely in the world to ever rise up because that would be anti-semitic, or something.

Yup. Surviving will soon be considered anti-semitic.

 

[bucky]

That's a wild fantasy. Why would a hard core globalist minion like Scholz be secretly plotting peace with Russia via China?

This is on the level of "Trump is secretly still the president and preparing mass arrests from a hidden nuclear bunker", and it's no wonder that a career attention whore like Vox Day would be promoting it.

How many of you guys even believe in a Mad Max/total collapse of the USA scenario anymore? I don't, and I used to. I just think the USA will keep limping on for my lifetime and probably that of my children, as kind of a North American version of Brazil: violently and disfunctionally multi-cultural, crime-ridden, corrupt, far poorer and with chronically collapsing infrastructure and intermittent spikes of massive inflation, but more-or-less a functioning nation state. Basically, everything will gradually get worse until we're a typical Latin American country, just with more white people and more English spoken, as well as SJW values that they don't really embrace south of the border. I think the USD will somehow continue as world reserve currency too, and thus the US will maintain its overseas empire. Don't ask me how, but I'm in my fifties now and ever since I was aware of things like the USD as world reserve currency and the massive US military presence in most of the world I've been hearing predictions of their imminent collapse, but it never happens.

Unlike Vox though, I will say that this is just my best guess and I could easily be wrong.

 

[Easy_C]

I think the USD will somehow continue as world reserve currency too, and thus the US will maintain its overseas empire. Don't ask me how, but I'm in my fifties now and ever since I was aware of things like the USD as world reserve currency and the massive US military presence in most of the world I've been hearing predictions of their imminent collapse, but it never happens.

I disagree to a point. One thing that's going to significantly crack the USD as a reserve currency is the US government's political violations of securities process. Seizing the assets of Russians was a huge mistake because now every foreign nation knows that the moment you have any kind of a political quarrel with the US leadership (maybe you made the mistake of saying something anti-rainbow) then your assets can be seized.

That's the exact same reason why China and Russia have never developed fully functional capital markets (although Russia is on track to now). You couldn't ever invest in those countries because you know that you might lose your entire position at any time, with little warning.

You can already see that the rest of the world is looking for an alternative, but those alternatives are not yet ready to go for various reasons.

 

[Thomas More]

That's a wild fantasy. Why would a hard core globalist minion like Scholz be secretly plotting peace with Russia via China?

This is on the level of "Trump is secretly still the president and preparing mass arrests from a hidden nuclear bunker", and it's no wonder that a career attention whore like Vox Day would be promoting it.

I'm not so sure. I do expect Germany to react this way at some point. It's the reasonable reaction to the Nordstream attack against them, and to the prospect of economic ruin at the behest of the US and UK, who provoked this conflict needlessly. Many say the conflict was provoked in part to prevent a German-Russian rapprochement. Germany is a primary victim of this whole situation.

They have been a western lapdog for 70 years, although with considerable benefits. However, this situation could easily be the breaking point.

The key question, as you mentioned, is whether Scholz would be willing to pull the trigger, since he’s been all in with the west up to now. The article says the German industrialists are the ones that really run things and they are forcing him to go down this path. I could see this happening. Scholz is riding the tiger here, and might feel he has no choice but to go along with these industrialists.

Also, I would think he is personally passed off about the Nordstream attack, and would be ready to spite the west and stick it to them.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[Easy_C]

Also, I would think he is personally passed off about the Nordstream attack, and would be ready to spite the west and stick it to them

Why? He doesn't seem to have any care or concern for the German people and if anything seems to have an adversarial view of them.

 

[Thomas More]

Why? He doesn't seem to have any care or concern for the German people and if anything seems to have an adversarial view of them.

It doesn't matter what he thinks about the German people. If he is the leader, and the US and UK humiliate him as they have done, this must stick in his craw.

 

[Caduceus]

Anything Russia can't get from the "western" countries that are sanctioning it, they just buy from an intermediary like India or China who gets it from the west anyway.

The majority of the worlds population is NOT sanctioning Russia.....they just want you to think it is.

 

[Cynllo]

On Monday, Algerian special envoy Leila Zerrougui confirmed her country was the latest to formally apply for BRICS membership, according to the Algerian news portal Al Shorouq.

Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa BRICS bloc grows with U.S. left out

Algeria has reportedly become the latest nation to apply to join BRICS, following applications by Argentina and Iran and interest from several other countries.

www.newsweek.com

 

[TruckDriver9]

On Monday, Algerian special envoy Leila Zerrougui confirmed her country was the latest to formally apply for BRICS membership, according to the Algerian news portal Al Shorouq.

Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa BRICS bloc grows with U.S. left out

Algeria has reportedly become the latest nation to apply to join BRICS, following applications by Argentina and Iran and interest from several other countries.

www.newsweek.com

How long before they get a colour revolution, followed up by "muh freedom & democracy" falling down on them from the sky?

 

[Robert High Hawk]

How long before they get a colour revolution, followed up by "muh freedom & democracy" falling down on them from the sky?

I personally doubt that would happen in Algeria. Huge military, Russian tech based. Huge gas exporter to Spain and Italy. They destabilize that source of gas and they are really really screwed.

 

[911]

Algeria is buying Russian Sukhois and other products, has no debt, and is joining the BRICS, they are definitely a target. They can destabilize that country by agitating the Berber minority. Algerians are essentially from the same Berber racial stock, but remote tribes have held on to their Berber identity and language.

That identity has been promoted by the US and France, similar to the Kurds in the middle east, in a typical divide and conquer colonial move. But the Berbers are still a relatively small minority, about 8 million, so the only way this potential color revolution can gain momentum is if there are huge economic problems in the country and lots of dissatisfied youth all over the country, and like with Iran, an expat population that agitates against the Algerian govt.

 

[TruckDriver9]