Electric Cars/Eco-Cult


The company says that its ships are not equipped to fight a lithium-ion battery fire at sea



Norway’s Havila Krystruten is one of two shipping companies that sails between the coastal cities of Bergen and Kierkenes and says that it will no longer carry electric or electrified vehicles on its ships following the results of an external investigation.

The company mostly carries passengers and goods on the route, but now says that it will only carry private vehicles with internal combustion engines. Havila Krystruten cited fire safety as the main reason for its decision.

While it is not clear what led the company to run the external investigation, fears of fires on ships were stoked by a recent incident in the Atlantic. The Felicity Ace (pictured) caught fire at sea last year and, although the cause of the fire has not been determined, there were vehicles with batteries aboard the ship, leading to speculation that they may have been responsible for the blaze.

“This is a pure safety assessment, and the conclusion of the risk analysis shows that a possible fire in fossil vehicles will be able to be handled by the systems and the crew we have on board,” said Bent Martini, the company’s managing director, as translated by Google. “A possible fire in electric, hybrid or hydrogen cars will require external rescue efforts and could put people on board and the ships at risk.”


The problem is particularly noteworthy in Norway, which is one of the world’s largest consumers of electric vehicles. More than 80 percent of all vehicles sold in the country in 2022 were fully electric, making this decision a likely nuisance for passengers.

The shipping company previously conceded that the transport of vehicles on its ships was important, after uncertainty arose about whether they would be able to carry any vehicles at all, reports NRK.

“We know how important [transporting vehicles] is for people along the coast and for travelers,” said former managing Arild Myrvoll. “That is why we have included this as part of the offer Havila Kystruten will provide.”

Havila Krystruten says now that it will look into ways to minimize the risk of transporting electric and hybrid vehicles in the future.

In the meantime, the only other shipping company on the route, Hurtigruten, says that it will continue to transport private vehicles on its ships, regardless of how they’re powered.
 
Electric vehicles are a bummer. Look at the Chinese market and you'll see it's dead before it's even started.



And because no one wants to buy them, they are left to rot in the fields.

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Electric vehicles are a bummer. Look at the Chinese market and you'll see it's dead before it's even started.



And because no one wants to buy them, they are left to rot in the fields.

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I'm sure every west European will buy one, if they import them and sell them at a cheaper cost.
 

One dead in cargo ship fire, electric car suspected source, Dutch coastguard says

AMSTERDAM, July 26 (Reuters) - One person died and several others were hurt when a fire broke out on a cargo ship carrying cars off the northern tip of Netherlands, forcing several crew members to jump overboard, the Dutch coastguard said on Wednesday.

The Panama-registered Fremantle Highway was transporting 2,857 cars from Germany to Egypt, 25 of them electric.

An electric car was the suspected source of the blaze, a coastguard spokesperson said, adding that the ship was still burning.

The 199-metre ship, which had departed from the German port of Bermenhaven, was successfully towed out of shipping lanes early on Wednesday, Dutch broadcaster NOS reported.

The ship was sailing 27 km (17 miles) north of the Dutch island of Ameland, with 23 crew onboard, when the fire started on Tuesday night, a statement said.

The crew had tried, but failed, to extinguish the fire, the coastguard statement said.

The injured crew were taken by helicopter to medical facilities on the mainland. They suffered smoke inhalation, or were hurt during the evacuation, a spokesperson said.
 
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Not sure why they are even wasting their time. You cannot extinguish a lipo fire with water. You could even sink the ship and it would continue burning.

The very reason I bought a reliable diesel truck, it'll long continue rolling when most of these contraptions are rusting in a landfill.
 
I work in a similar industry attempting to incorporate these batteries into their machines. And yeah that's not going so well. Apparently the batteries from the last vendor detonated after thermal runaway so that project is shelved for now. Why we don't move to hydrogen cell technology is beyond me other than lithium just sounds and feels better I guess. I do get a guilty pleasure out of hearing people buy used electric vehicles then are stunned at the price tag of having to repair or replace the battery pack. Not confirmed but iv heard of prices going north of 10k.
 
I'm a car guy. When my automatic 4l60e in my Silverado started slipping, I didn't just swap in a new one myself, but I actually took mine apart, changed the clutch packs and got another 100k+ miles out of it. I have an older E36 BMW M3 I can't get myself to sell because no other car drives like it.

Yet, I love my Chevy Volt plugin 'hybrid'. Bought it used during covid lockdowns (after taking a flight!) for $5500 with 110k miles. Has 178k now.

It can go 35 miles on a charge. When it runs out of electricity, the gas engine turns on and keeps going. It doesn't even have a transmission, just one big differential gear. So that should last forever. Brakes are original still, at 70% even at 178k miles. The AC works amazingly well when on EV mode, because it doesn't have a gas engine heat soaking it while I drive around town. It's smooth and silent when EV mode. It glides along.

And now for the BEST part. I can leave stop lights at full throttle, using all of it's rather low 170 HP.... Silently. It's not FAST, but since it doesn't make any noise, I can use ALL the power without attracting any attention. If the car next to me wants to keep up or beat me, it surely can. But it will need to actually try, at which point it is making a significant amount of noise. Sure my V8 Silverado is faster, but you'll know I'm trying I want to actually do a quick 0 to 45 sprint as fast as I do in my volt all the time.

Now, let's talk about the "freedom" part. Once again, I'm a huge DIY. If SHTF in society, food and water and protection are decently handled with my family. But, if gasoline starts running out, I still don't have the means to turn used oil into gasoline and burn it. Diesel would be easier, but still not super simple and I currently dont have a diesel truck or car. And modern diesels are so complex they're not a sure thing for diy home diesel either. Yet, it's almost trivial to make your own power these days if you have a few months and a few dollars to prepare. Almost anyone can recharge their electric car at home if they prepare. Making your own gasoline or diesel, especially once the base oil became scarce, is MUCH harder.

From a freedom standpoint, I almost think an electric car is superior. With a few thousand in solar panels, you can keep your home freezer and fridge cold, and your car capable of travel. Don't want to spend huge money for a battery bank at home? No problem. Install just a small battery bank and use your EV as the battery bank and then pull it out through its output system. Not all EVs are good at this, but the new Ford f150 electric is. And even my old Chevy volt can put 2kwh of power from its battery back. Basically, a Chevy volt is a 10kw usable (15kwh total) battery pack, with an almost silent generator attached to it. My friend once borrowed my Volt with two inverters in the trunk, and powered his fridge and a sump pump for 4 days 24/7. Once the battery got low, the Chevy turned on the engine for a bit and charged up the batteries and shut back off. With the push of a button you can also charge 5kwh of battery in 30 minutes, which allows you to use that 5kwh overnight without the engine ever turning back on.

EVs as an environmental solution, whatever. I don't care.

EVs as an actual smooth running car, and a good tool to have in a local emergency? Not bad at all IMO.
 
I'm a car guy. When my automatic 4l60e in my Silverado started slipping, I didn't just swap in a new one myself, but I actually took mine apart, changed the clutch packs and got another 100k+ miles out of it. I have an older E36 BMW M3 I can't get myself to sell because no other car drives like it.

Yet, I love my Chevy Volt plugin 'hybrid'. Bought it used during covid lockdowns (after taking a flight!) for $5500 with 110k miles. Has 178k now.

It can go 35 miles on a charge. When it runs out of electricity, the gas engine turns on and keeps going. It doesn't even have a transmission, just one big differential gear. So that should last forever. Brakes are original still, at 70% even at 178k miles. The AC works amazingly well when on EV mode, because it doesn't have a gas engine heat soaking it while I drive around town. It's smooth and silent when EV mode. It glides along.

And now for the BEST part. I can leave stop lights at full throttle, using all of it's rather low 170 HP.... Silently. It's not FAST, but since it doesn't make any noise, I can use ALL the power without attracting any attention. If the car next to me wants to keep up or beat me, it surely can. But it will need to actually try, at which point it is making a significant amount of noise. Sure my V8 Silverado is faster, but you'll know I'm trying I want to actually do a quick 0 to 45 sprint as fast as I do in my volt all the time.

Now, let's talk about the "freedom" part. Once again, I'm a huge DIY. If SHTF in society, food and water and protection are decently handled with my family. But, if gasoline starts running out, I still don't have the means to turn used oil into gasoline and burn it. Diesel would be easier, but still not super simple and I currently dont have a diesel truck or car. And modern diesels are so complex they're not a sure thing for diy home diesel either. Yet, it's almost trivial to make your own power these days if you have a few months and a few dollars to prepare. Almost anyone can recharge their electric car at home if they prepare. Making your own gasoline or diesel, especially once the base oil became scarce, is MUCH harder.

From a freedom standpoint, I almost think an electric car is superior. With a few thousand in solar panels, you can keep your home freezer and fridge cold, and your car capable of travel. Don't want to spend huge money for a battery bank at home? No problem. Install just a small battery bank and use your EV as the battery bank and then pull it out through its output system. Not all EVs are good at this, but the new Ford f150 electric is. And even my old Chevy volt can put 2kwh of power from its battery back. Basically, a Chevy volt is a 10kw usable (15kwh total) battery pack, with an almost silent generator attached to it. My friend once borrowed my Volt with two inverters in the trunk, and powered his fridge and a sump pump for 4 days 24/7. Once the battery got low, the Chevy turned on the engine for a bit and charged up the batteries and shut back off. With the push of a button you can also charge 5kwh of battery in 30 minutes, which allows you to use that 5kwh overnight without the engine ever turning back on.

EVs as an environmental solution, whatever. I don't care.

EVs as an actual smooth running car, and a good tool to have in a local emergency? Not bad at all IMO.
Great outline.

Agree with almost all. I though think in the end we don't know which scarcity will hit. Lithium batteries are also a consumable as gas is. Though with a longer running time.

We though know for sure that with some handy work we can get an engine running that sat 20 years in a barn, this is impossible for a battery.

Batteries and electricity are together the gas of a car.

But I don't know which scarcity the elites will create. Thing is though oil is so crucial for asphalt, clothing anything.

And I think personally electricity grids are more risky than the oil grid.

Anyhow I agree the electrical engines are great and have clear advantages. And its quite an achievement they have become a good alternative for combustion.

I'll keep driving my diesel as long as the elites let me drive it.
 
EVs as an environmental solution, whatever. I don't care.

EVs as an actual smooth running car, and a good tool to have in a local emergency? Not bad at all IMO.
That stuff about using it as a battery pack and generator is pretty nifty, gotta say! :oops: I was unaware.

In my rural area people are terrified of forest fires in the summer. The fire department is a often heavy-handed with their restrictions, trying to tell people they can't mow their lawns after a certain point in the summer, and small campfires are out of the question. I see the real threat as the growing ownership of these EVs since they are so hard to put out once lit.

Is the technology to put out these fires also making progress or is it a tough nut to crack?

There is a housing co-op near me that was hatched about 20 years ago by an assortment of leftoids. To their consternation, the original, minimalist infrastructure they installed will not support fast chargers for their much-desired EVs.
 
EVs are not an environmental solution. Ditto for E-Bikes.
As mentioned, I don't really care at all about the environmental factors. Two of my vehicles don't even have a catalytic converter anymore.

But I still don't hate on EVs for hating sakes. Is mining rare metals great? No. But atleast it's mined in mining sites, and not releasing it in residential areas. Do EVs catch fire spontaneously due to mechanical faults even when practically new? Yes. I think with better quality control non impact related fires will go to zero.

Would I rather be stuck in stop and go traffic surrounded by electric cars versus 10 year old v8s? Yes.

Would I rather my downtown street where I eat and drink outside have a bunch of EVs gliding by vs muscle cars driving by at 10am on a Saturday? Yes.

On a global scale, it might be a wash. On a local scale, EVs seem pretty clean to me.
 
I work in a similar industry attempting to incorporate these batteries into their machines. And yeah that's not going so well. Apparently the batteries from the last vendor detonated after thermal runaway so that project is shelved for now. Why we don't move to hydrogen cell technology is beyond me other than lithium just sounds and feels better I guess. I do get a guilty pleasure out of hearing people buy used electric vehicles then are stunned at the price tag of having to repair or replace the battery pack. Not confirmed but iv heard of prices going north of 10k.
I'm hearing a lot more than 10k over on this side of the water, the word is that around €20k is needed to get you a new one, and this is the reason car companies are pushing batteries just as hard as they are, it's built in obsolescence on stilts.

Hydrogen fuels cells require platinum as a catalyst, and that's expensive.
 
As mentioned, I don't really care at all about the environmental factors. Two of my vehicles don't even have a catalytic converter anymore.

But I still don't hate on EVs for hating sakes. Is mining rare metals great? No. But atleast it's mined in mining sites, and not releasing it in residential areas. Do EVs catch fire spontaneously due to mechanical faults even when practically new? Yes. I think with better quality control non impact related fires will go to zero.

Would I rather be stuck in stop and go traffic surrounded by electric cars versus 10 year old v8s? Yes.

Would I rather my downtown street where I eat and drink outside have a bunch of EVs gliding by vs muscle cars driving by at 10am on a Saturday? Yes.

On a global scale, it might be a wash. On a local scale, EVs seem pretty clean to me.

Solid post. One thing both sides need to be careful of is bias that comes with opinions from "the other side". People need to avoid falling into the trap of "Since the left loves EVs, everything about them must be horrible". Same thing with global warming and covid. Just because a lot of it in nonsense, doesn't mean it all is. It's lazy, and It's a sad lack of critical thinking and ignorance of the true scientific methosd on all levels.

You mentioned about options for electrical being more plentiful than petroleum in a SHTF scenario but I'm not sure I'd 100% agree. If you already have existing solar panels and infrastructure, or even an old alternator you can hook up to a paddle wheel and stick in a river, or a wind mill, then sure, with a bit of back yard mechanic stuff you can make a small power plant. If however you don't already have those things in place, even making a simple usable generator is probably beyond the purvey of most.

IC engines on the other hand don't exclusively rely on petroleum. No, you're not likely to have an oil well or a refinery in your yard, but if you have any high starch crops like corn, sugar beet etc you can readily ferment them into ~10% mash, then distill it into nearly pure alcohol (fun fact, the proof system came about meaning that at 100 proof (roughly 50% ABV depending on history) the liquid will readily burn - a test to see if it was watered down.) Alcohol coming off the still is around 97%.

Not saying growing corn, milling it, fermenting it, then distilling it is quick or easy. But drop me off at an average country home or cottage with a garage full of stuff, and a bit of land, I could probably do that quicker than make a solar panel. Distillation is also a useful skill for purification or desalination of water, and alcohol will always be a valuable trade good, so might not hurt to stock up on a few coils of copper line just in case.

Finally another option, which I believe has been discussed on this very forum are wood gassifiers. Essentially a barrel of slow burning wood with a pipe coming off it. Instead of the Carbon in the wood reacting with oxygen and making CO2, it makes CO since there's a lot of wood, and artificially limited oxygen. CO can then go into you engine and it operates as a fuel. CO is very poisonous so you need to be careful, but options do exist if the oil runs dry.
 




Hurricane Idalia Aftermath: Saltwater Exposure Causes 'Thermal Runaway' In Flooded Electric Vehicles​

Electric vehicles flooded by a storm surge produced by Hurricane Idalia have spontaneously ignited in the Big Bend area. This underscores a lesser-known safety concern for the thousands of Americans who recently purchased EVs and reside in coastal regions vulnerable to flooding.

In the aftermath of the storm, fire officials in Pinellas County, west of Tampa, reported at least two incidents of EVs combusting after lithium-ion batteries were exposed to the saltwater.

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay," a Facebook post by Palm Harbor Fire Rescue reads.

"Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground," the post continued.

It also said, "This includes golf carts and electric scooters. Don't drive these through water. PHFR crews have seen numerous residents out in golf carts and children on scooters riding through water."


Fire officials posted multiple images of a Tesla fire in Dunedin.

Video taken by James McLynas shows another burnt-out Tesla in Pinellas Park.

"Hurricane flooded Tesla Bursts into flames while being towed to the storage lot. Driver picked up the flood damaged Tesla from a storm damaged home and was towing it back when it burst into flames. Driver stopped on a street and quickly off loaded the burning car to save his truck. (that's why there are burnt tow dollies under it). When the fire department arrived, they put it out, but it kept reigniting. After several attempts to put it out, they just let it burn out. This was all that was left," McLynas wrote in his post on YouTube.

The issue with EV battery packs is that saltwater corrodes wiring and battery components, often leading to shorts or exposed wiring. And then thermal runaway ignites the battery -- very few fire departments nationwide are trained in lithium fires.

This problem isn't limited to Tesla EVs. Last year, Hurricane Ian struck Southwest Florida, causing inland flooding that led to dozens of EV fires (read: here & here).

What's ironic is that government and climate doomsayers say decarbonizing the transportation sector with EVs will save the planet from imminent destruction (remember Greta said the world would end in 2023), but these unproven vehicles are only sparking more headaches.
 
The red Model S Plaid above was my friend's car. He drove through about ~4" of water and saltwater somehow got into the battery well and bricked the car. A PCSO deputy tried to help but obviously everyone was overwhelmed with calls, etc. He called a tow truck and walked back to his condo. He got a call about 45 min later from the deputy that his car was on fire. Took them hours to douse it. At least he had GAP coverage.
 
My city here in Europe has just announced that they will be banning all diesel cars in and around the city in the next months. They have given me a 2 year window to find another option, since I live on the city perimeter. If you're a tourist or a visitor, I guess you're SOL. They eco-terrorists running West European countries are deliberately trying to destroy their own economies, and diesel is the bee in their bonnet right now.
Well they want less cars. Less houses. Live together, accept less stuff. City workers 100 years ago could live with 8 people on 60m2.

This is what the billionaires and their international bureaucracy have decided for us in Europe.

Below them there is a huge pyramid of well paid bureaucrats (getting a 10% inflation increase last year) executing their commands up to your city level. (and mine similar)

Wouldn't be surprised we get a period again when Europeans will leave the lands to find more space, more freedom, and less oppressive rulers, but let's see.

Read this evil propaganda they put over us:

The EU was getting too powerful, so the Jews / US played some divide and conquer to bring the EU down, with great success I must say. Like good little puppets the german politicians accepted the commands from upper hand to destroy their country.

Kind of weird to think Germany was once a proud nation.
 
The red Model S Plaid above was my friend's car. He drove through about ~4" of water and saltwater somehow got into the battery well and bricked the car. A PCSO deputy tried to help but obviously everyone was overwhelmed with calls, etc. He called a tow truck and walked back to his condo. He got a call about 45 min later from the deputy that his car was on fire. Took them hours to douse it. At least he had GAP coverage.

This thing of electric cars catching fire because of some salt water seems like a serious issue. Maybe we should abandon this bad tech and stick with the good tech that has proven to be reliable for 120+ years.
 
A Telsa broke down in a McDonald's drive-thru in Canada.


A GMC Hummer EV broke down on a highway.



I Bought a $115,000 GMC Hummer EV and It IMMEDIATELY Left Me Stranded!​

This is not the sort of experience we expected with our brand new $115,000 GMC Hummer EV.
Without waffling around the issue, let’s cut right to the core: TFL’s brand-new GMC Hummer EV broke down on a busy highway within one day of ownership. We just traded our long-term Ford F-150 Lightning for this truck and we’re charting out all the coverage we want to bring you guys with it over the coming months. The premise is simple: Just how much of a hit or miss is GMC’s over the top, all-electric truck?

Then, in the process of filming those videos, Roman ended up stranded on a busy highway when the Hummer EV refused to power cycle using the ignition button. Its electric shifter also did not move the truck out of park, even to allow a “limp mode”. The truck just did not move, leaving Roman to bring the team in (and a tow truck) to help out.

It all started with the truck throwing another steering-related fault and saying that it needed to go to the dealer for service. But the story ended up getting much more complicated from there.

As you’d imagine, this is not the ideal sort of place to break down. Fortunately, a police officer soon arrived to help move traffic away from the Hummer, while Roman coordinated the rescue operation. However, even though we brought a truck along, we faced two major problems in moving the disabled GMC out of harm’s way. It’s stuck in park, so you couldn’t hook onto the recovery points to flat tow it (side note: GM insists you don’t flat tow this truck at all), because it won’t move. Even if it was in neutral, though, you’re still trying to pull a massive 9,400 pounds — so you’d have to bring a vehicle capable of moving that sort of heft.

What about calling OnStar?
“Of course, I called OnStar. They routed me to like 14 different people, kept asking for my phone number. They said I needed premium service, and finally they said the soonest they could get a tow truck here is in an hour,” Roman said of his experience doing the first thing most GM owners would probably do when they break down. For context on that, OnStar asked for his phone number in case he was disconnected, and the operator also (strangely) asked for the truck’s VIN.

When the Hummer EV finally did sort of power cycle, the instrument cluster flashed a message: “Start vehicle to view Application”. Unfortunately, that means the truck did not fully power on, even with Roman’s foot on the brake, and still refused to budge. The incident also stopped Roman from being able to open the frunk using normal means, be it the button inside the truck or the key fob.

So…what is the fix?
Ultimately, with Tommy’s help Roman was able to hard reboot the Hummer EV, by disconnecting the battery once they were actually able to get the front trunk open. Pro tip: If you need to manually open the GMC Hummer EV’s frunk, there’s a small cable pull embedded deep underneath the dashboard to do it. In our situation, the hard button under the grille to open the frunk did not work, nor did the interior electronic switch or the key fob.

After reconnecting the battery, there’s a restart procedure to disengage the shifter lock:
  • Press brake for 20 seconds;
  • Open then close driver window;
  • Then open and close passenger window;
  • Open then close left rear window;
  • Open then close right rear window;
  • Cycle passenger window (again);
  • Press brake for 20 seconds
Yes, you have to cycle through all those prompts to get the shifter to unlock. Fortunately, Tommy and Roman were able to drive the vehicle back to the dealer after getting the Hummer EV out of this dicey situation.

What happens next?
At time of writing, our local GMC dealer technicians are working to diagnose and remedy the problem. When we have an update on that, we’ll let you know.

While this is a frustrating situation to be sure, we’re showing an unfortunate real-world situation we faced almost immediately upon delivery of our GMC Hummer EV. Depending on where this could happen, it could lead to dangerous circumstances for a Hummer EV driver or surrounding motorists.

To recap this truck’s life so far, here’s where we stand. GM’s Factory Zero (Hamtramck) plant built the truck back in March 2022. From there, several months elapsed before the truck finally arrived this month. We don’t know with certainty where the truck was or how it was stored/shipped during the interim months, but the GMC Hummer EV arrived here in Boulder, Colorado with delivery mileage.

Obviously, if you were to spend $115,000 on a brand-new electric truck and face these issues, you’d rightly be upset and demand answers. That’s what we’re working to do, so stay tuned for more updates as the story develops.
 
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