Mr West said:
hahah me too.
Entitled Millenial Discovers That Entry-Level Jobs Suck
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hahah me too.
As a guy who graduated right around the time that the US economy took a huge hit (2008-2011), it was pretty fucking awful. I couldn't even get a job as a server at Friday's. I would have been living on the street if I didn't live at home while I went to school. So I get the bitterness that many of the people in my age group feel: we played the game we were told to play, and came out of it all worse off than our parents. Who wouldn't be pissed?
I don't embrace those feelings because there are things we can do to survive and thrive in these times, but I think it's unfair when people look at my age group and act like everything that has happened was completely our fault. It's nonsense. We walked into a market that almost no one was prepared for and we're still trying to figure it out.
I don't embrace those feelings because there are things we can do to survive and thrive in these times, but I think it's unfair when people look at my age group and act like everything that has happened was completely our fault. It's nonsense. We walked into a market that almost no one was prepared for and we're still trying to figure it out.
Fortis said:
I can respect your comments as long as you agree it wasn't completely not your fault either. In other words, not a total victim mentality. I think that is what rubs some people the wrong way is the victim mentality, well plus a lot of snarkiness and arrogance that comes off from Millenials. And I get that some of the arrogance is really just defensiveness but still doesn't make it easier to want to help those sorts of people. During the 08-11 time I remember reading an article that employers were keeping their older employees and getting rid of the younger ones. I imagine keeping older ones was a bit mOre costly but if I remember right it had to do with them being more responsible, reliable and not so much a pain to deal with. Just one article not saying it is gospel.
I hope things have gotten better for you. I appreciate your candor.
samsamsam said:
I'm an RVF member. I'm about accountability for sure. I'm at a point now where the loans are under control and I'm living abroad and working in an industry that I have a lot of interest in. Things have been looking good for a while and I imagine that in two-three years things will be looking excellent.
That said, I made a ton of hilariously bad decisions (majored in english [don't laugh]) under the assumption that the economy would bounce back. Not sure what I was thinking back then. The economy didn't bounce and it was tough. All that said, I came out of the whole situation tougher and I'm able to really consider my actions a lot more carefully than I did in the past.
I won't yell the party lines and say "OMG US GOVERNMENT BAIL ME OUT" because I'd be asking my own fellow citizens to pay for my mistakes, which doesn't strike me as fair. They have their own families to take care of and I'm not the only one who struggled.
That said, I do feel like my generation really got fucked in regards to interest rates and other things. When I first took out my loans, they had relatively high interest rates at 3-4%, but those rates doubled to 7-8% on my government loans when that huge default happened. The entire situation was completely fucked up. Like I said, I have it under control, but the situation was definitely a lot to deal with and had me and many others hating the world in our early 20s.
But I decided to get serious and really look at my habits that got me in that situation and make some changes. Ironically, my english major allowed me to get a job abroad doing something related to writing and marketing, so that's pretty fucking cool.
I didn't mean for any of that to come across as whiny, that was just my experience when I first entered the job market and I wouldn't' wish that upon anyone, especially some 22 year old guy fresh out of college who tried to play by the rules.
Fortis, you did not sound whiny at all. 100 percent accountable and tried to be objective. Much respect.
Edit: we have all made bad choices and I guess life is about dealing with it. Definitely not a great marketing campaign "Life-you'll fuck up and then have to deal with it."
I think most parents remember their hardships and don't want that for their kids. It robs the kids of the toughness you were mentioning. Glad to hear you are doing your thing.
Edit: we have all made bad choices and I guess life is about dealing with it. Definitely not a great marketing campaign "Life-you'll fuck up and then have to deal with it."
I think most parents remember their hardships and don't want that for their kids. It robs the kids of the toughness you were mentioning. Glad to hear you are doing your thing.
Fortis said:
A lot of the millenials who have an attitude of entitlement are where they are because they respected and trusted their parents.
They went to a university that their parents approved of and took their parents advice "do what you love" at face value.
After watching many of their peers waste their youth on drugs, alcohol and sex while they themselves were putting untold hours into study.
Should we really call them stupid for putting their faith in respectable role models, such as their teachers, professors and parents?
Foolsgo1d
Peacock
My degree had 12 units a year. Only 3 or 4 of them per academic year were of any use and they still left a large chunk out of my profession field. When a company takes you on you are simply not ready to work in a professional capacity.
They have to train you through a 2-3 year program in the way the company and the industry needs you to be trained. I could have gotten this job by simply reading a few books, Youtube videos and a weekly job. This isn;t to take away from my profession as there is a high barrier of entry, but it is bullshit to require a degree nowadays.
A degree is lackluster in the information age. You can be taught on the spot or have the natural ability to learn complex things make things like STEM degrees that much easier.
They have to train you through a 2-3 year program in the way the company and the industry needs you to be trained. I could have gotten this job by simply reading a few books, Youtube videos and a weekly job. This isn;t to take away from my profession as there is a high barrier of entry, but it is bullshit to require a degree nowadays.
A degree is lackluster in the information age. You can be taught on the spot or have the natural ability to learn complex things make things like STEM degrees that much easier.
TooFineAPoint said:
You have some kind of weird obsession with Elizabeth Warren.
It's kind of astonishing how badly you miss the point. I never suggested otherwise and I'm not sure what to say other than try actually reading my post.
edit: Even your article actually agrees with me that Warren is right about what I said she was right about:
Any arguments based on this obvious fact were my own. Specifically, I criticized the arrogant, solipsistic, entitled attitude May put on display in his article. Warren demands that he "pay it forward to the next kid who comes along." I just said he should have some humility and perspective.
Focusing on this one clueless individual is superficial.
The U.S. middle class is indeed being eviscerated and the elite would love you to think they deserve it for being idiots "just like this girl"
Who's popular right now ? Anyone anti-establishment : Trump, Sanders, Corbyn, UKIP, Syriza, Viktor Orben, anyone who says centrist politics is a sham bent on screwing hard working families and the young.
The middle classes are always the vanguard of revolution : American, French, Russian. The poor are always poor but when an entire generation of students become grossly indebted, struggle to find full time employment, can't buy a house in any city that has some semblance of a productive well educated workforce and can't scrape a dime for their retirement - all the while being taxed into oblivion by the demands of a retiring baby boomer generation - there will be a point at which something will snap.
Zero Hedge covers the decline, as does this site and a number of non-newspaper online sites. I am aware that hard work is key but also that things are nowhere near as cushy as they used to be and it is a dog eat dog dystopian future I need to be prepared for - not some white picket fence suburban idyll with happy smiling families and stay at home wife.
I don't care for this one idiot girl in San Francisco. I care about the economic structure that is constantly shifting and evolving year on year and the direction in which it is headed. It's not rosy. Even if you do well your countrymen are largely doomed.
The West is increasingly fucked and people are starting to catch on in large numbers
The U.S. middle class is indeed being eviscerated and the elite would love you to think they deserve it for being idiots "just like this girl"
Who's popular right now ? Anyone anti-establishment : Trump, Sanders, Corbyn, UKIP, Syriza, Viktor Orben, anyone who says centrist politics is a sham bent on screwing hard working families and the young.
The middle classes are always the vanguard of revolution : American, French, Russian. The poor are always poor but when an entire generation of students become grossly indebted, struggle to find full time employment, can't buy a house in any city that has some semblance of a productive well educated workforce and can't scrape a dime for their retirement - all the while being taxed into oblivion by the demands of a retiring baby boomer generation - there will be a point at which something will snap.
Zero Hedge covers the decline, as does this site and a number of non-newspaper online sites. I am aware that hard work is key but also that things are nowhere near as cushy as they used to be and it is a dog eat dog dystopian future I need to be prepared for - not some white picket fence suburban idyll with happy smiling families and stay at home wife.
I don't care for this one idiot girl in San Francisco. I care about the economic structure that is constantly shifting and evolving year on year and the direction in which it is headed. It's not rosy. Even if you do well your countrymen are largely doomed.
The West is increasingly fucked and people are starting to catch on in large numbers
``The U.S. middle class is indeed being eviscerated and the elite would love you to think they deserve it for being idiots "just like this girl"''
When you attend a four-year university that you can not actually afford. When you spend that four-five-six years majoring in a useless degree field, and therefore graduate with a useless degree that makes you unemployable to anything that requires actual education and/or skills, then yes. At that point, you do ``deserve'' it. Why? Because you are an idiot.
When you attend a four-year university that you can not actually afford. When you spend that four-five-six years majoring in a useless degree field, and therefore graduate with a useless degree that makes you unemployable to anything that requires actual education and/or skills, then yes. At that point, you do ``deserve'' it. Why? Because you are an idiot.
AlphaRN said:
Or your parents are idiots.
Read the article again.
Where does one get the idea that having a credit card -- owing money -- and "your own apartment" are elements of being an adult?
From the two adults (or one-and-a-tenth, if she's the child of a single mother) she's most around at 8 years of age: her parents.
Financial habits, like every other habit a child brings to adulthood, come from the parents first. And it's often the financial habits that are least discussed and consequently the most ingrained by behaviour rather than theory. At a guess, this girl's parents were living beyond their means, putting everything on credit, working shit jobs and giving her no good example to live by. She thought of Spice Girls -- grrl-power plus consumerism -- and owning a fucking pager -- more consumerism -- as goals in life. And she was taught the facsimile of independence -- a place to live away from your family -- is the truth of independence (owning that place.)
I would also blame her parents to some extent for her shitty choice of degree. What kind of dumbass thinks an English Literature degree is going to get them a career in "media" (i.e. journalism)? Answer: the sort of dumbass who has not investigated how to get into an industry as opposed to a degree and doesn't understand that breaking into those sorts of bullshit, subjective industries is invariably about hustling and interning for nothing (with a slice of cockgobbling on the side ... whether you're a boy or a girl.)
How does a dumbass get to that point of view? Because she has parents who think or thought that A College Degree Is Something You Can Do Anything With, and who didn't give enough of a shit to verify that for themselves or for the sake of their kids. Who didn't take enough of an interest in their kid's aspirations to teach them that, in fact, you can't do anything you want to in this world straight out of school.
Let this be a lesson, married men and others. You are not being a conscientious parent if you let your kids go to university without sitting down and asking them the hard questions about what they plan to do and asking them how much thought and research they've put into this at a minimum. Your responsibility for your kids does not end at 18, like it or not. If your kid's frontal lobe has not finished growing before the age of 25, why do you expect them to be able to make decisions that literally will set them back, or forward, for decades to come?
Seattle, Portland, Austin, San Francisco, now Los Angeles (Silicon Beach), and more and more places like Chicago, Denver, and NYC will be continually destroyed culturally and game-wise by what is being sold as good paid engineers when infact they are really only very middle class if you go back to wages vs COL in the 1960s.
This will be a country of tech dorks happy with $90k jobs that will soon really amount to less than $60k vs COL in the early 1990s. Add in all the HB1's coming in every year.
The top will be the investors in the companies, some real estate people, and a few high finance.
The vast majority of everyone else is lower class that isn't top 10% in their field (save doctors, PA's, & nurses because of aging demographics).
The thirst due to number of males and lack of Game combine I predict will be all out astonishing in a decade in most major cities.
As automation takes over everything will be middle class wage tech jobs masked as "great jobs".
Once robots can do trade jobs and build things like homes then really watch out.
Everyone else will be considered less and less useful as tech accelerates exponentially year by year.
Good news is Game will be more important than ever because career and job identity will melt away quickly. Art and creativity will be more highly valued as time goes by because anyone with "practical" knowledge will be replaced.
For instance once everyone has electric cars that can last for weeks without a recharge and are durable enough to easily last 20 years how many mechanics will we really need?
Say goodbye to gas stations, many oil workers, truck drivers that drive the fuel and so on. Let alone engine makers.
No more oil changes, no more smog checks, no more tune ups. You may have to replace the battery once every few years.
This will be a country of tech dorks happy with $90k jobs that will soon really amount to less than $60k vs COL in the early 1990s. Add in all the HB1's coming in every year.
The top will be the investors in the companies, some real estate people, and a few high finance.
The vast majority of everyone else is lower class that isn't top 10% in their field (save doctors, PA's, & nurses because of aging demographics).
The thirst due to number of males and lack of Game combine I predict will be all out astonishing in a decade in most major cities.
As automation takes over everything will be middle class wage tech jobs masked as "great jobs".
Once robots can do trade jobs and build things like homes then really watch out.
Everyone else will be considered less and less useful as tech accelerates exponentially year by year.
Good news is Game will be more important than ever because career and job identity will melt away quickly. Art and creativity will be more highly valued as time goes by because anyone with "practical" knowledge will be replaced.
For instance once everyone has electric cars that can last for weeks without a recharge and are durable enough to easily last 20 years how many mechanics will we really need?
Say goodbye to gas stations, many oil workers, truck drivers that drive the fuel and so on. Let alone engine makers.
No more oil changes, no more smog checks, no more tune ups. You may have to replace the battery once every few years.
The Black Knight
Pelican
The "entitled millennial" non-sense is getting really tiresome.
Yes, there is a sub-faction of people who are idiotic spoiled brats. But there exists an entirely another large faction of millennials who have been busting their ass and trying to turn an endless pile of dogshit into something resembling gold for a long time now while constantly being told they are lazy and entitled; often by people much older who were responsible for voting in dipshits into political power that got everyone into the mess we are in today. Furthermore, these same folks preached all kinds of bullshit to us as kids; the "any college degree regardless of the debt" is one I heard constantly throughout the 90s from about every authority/role model figure.
In fairness, they probably truly believed what they were saying at the time and meant no ill intent but to have those same people call millennials "entitled" after essentially being co-conspirators in a massive bait and switch across the board on all fronts is laughable at best and severely insulting at worst.
The following is part of a large post I wrote in another thread. It's basically a detail overview of what life has been like for A LOT of millennial men since the 9/11 time period. You can read the full post here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53377-post-1223578.html#pid1223578
*****
As a native citizen in his late 20s/early 30s, it been one shit sandwich after another pretty much across the board.
Let's take a trip starting from adulthood (let's say around post-9/11) for the average guy in my age range:
Late teens/early 20s:
Increased college tuition cost and expenses made it an era where going to college was a questionable venture from a cost/benefit perspective; a first in modern history. College up until this point was promise relentlessly as the ticket to middle class. Today and for sometime now, it's been a ticket to indenture servitude for most. The writing was on the wall back during the teenage years if you had some foresight but it wasn't generally accepted that college was a bad deal at that point. If you had any foresight to know that college wasn't a good deal for most, your options were:
1. Go into the military during a time of war; a questionable stupid war ran by republicans who seemed more concerned with lining the pockets of defense contractors as oppose to giving the military the resources it needed to accomplish a nearly impossible and poorly planned mission.
2. Go into a trade - which you probably weren't even made aware of during your HS years because no one advocated for them. Furthermore if you did contemplate going down that route, you had to compete with an exponentially growing illegal immigrant pool taking up opportunities and suppressing wages in lower-end trades. You don't speak Spanish and see the illegal day labors in your sanctuary city/county doing the majority of trade labor. You see how they live and how an employer abuses them and can't see any foreseeable path in making it work.
This is all the while wages at the lower-end across the board aren't growing at all to anything resembling livable income even at full-time status and healthcare costs are exploding. God help you if you are young single male with no support structure and get injured in some capacity. You are fucked in every way possible if that happens.
Early/Mid 20s:
Somehow, someway.... you found a path to making some progress in life. It's very modest and bare bones living but it's better than many. Maybe you got a full ride to a university, maybe you joined the military, or maybe you have spent a few years in a trade honing your craft.
.... THEN the economy crashes in 2008; thanks in large part to reckless big banks enabled by both establishment democrats (repealing Glass-Steagall) and republicans (not keeping a lid on lending standards during the 2000s) among many other reasons.
Demand for tradesman plummets.
College graduates aren't getting any offers while many are drowning in debt
People you know, friends and relatives, are underwater with their homes. Some lose them entirely. Many people you know move back home out of necessity. Not just for themselves but to help keep their relatives/friends from ending up on the street.
And establishment republicans and democrats bail out the big money failures. Big banks on Wall Street and big poorly run companies like GM. You think to yourself: where were they when I needed help?
Illegal immigration subsides a bit due to lack of economic demand but now these illegals are having kids by the boatloads and are demanding government services via schooling, housing, medical care, and food. You watch both establishment democrats and to an lesser extent, establishment republicans try to court this growing class of invaders at your expense. You are labeled a uncaring racist scumbag for standing up for your own native citizens.
You see Obama get elected and hope he will be a different class of politician. He turns out to be full of shit; selling the male gender out to appease militant feminist lies and non-sense. He mentions the female wage gap in a State of the Union address and encourages his Justice Department to enable witchhunts on college campuses against men over dubious sexual assault allegations. You see a rise in militant feminism from both the establishment political space and mainstream media. You are confused as hell since the past years economically speaking have not been remotely kind to you. In fact, they have been brutal and requiring significant sacrifice.
Being a man and just breathing in the wrong direction can now destroy whatever fragile and hard-fought career and savings you have established despite having total garbage to work with for years. You are one false accusation away from being financially crippled or imprisoned and nobody anywhere seems to give a shit.
Late 20s/Late 30s:
The economy is a limp-dick, mostly generating shitty service level jobs. Obamacare fixed a few problems but created 100 new ones. Illegal immigration still goes unchecked. Neither political party seems to gives a shit about either addressing the real economic or cultural issues affecting you as a hard working man.
But despite enormous factors working against you for around a decade or so, both economical and cultural, you finally start to find some footing beyond bare bones living. Significant sacrifices are still needed but there is a path to success now that seems realistically achievable despite the onslaught of bullshit.
However, the crop of 2016 Presidential candidates [excluding Trump] are total disasters and can hurt you even further economically and/or culturally. Your blood boils. The wear and tear of around a decade of being dealt shit sandwiches constantly and being force to eat more is simply too much. Time to put an end to this bullshit; it's time to get serious about an exit strategy.
*****
This is what life has been like for many millennial men. So, I ask everyone to tread carefully when spewing out "entitled" bullshit when referring to an entire generation of people that has largely been getting bent over without the KY for quite a while now.
Yes, there is a sub-faction of people who are idiotic spoiled brats. But there exists an entirely another large faction of millennials who have been busting their ass and trying to turn an endless pile of dogshit into something resembling gold for a long time now while constantly being told they are lazy and entitled; often by people much older who were responsible for voting in dipshits into political power that got everyone into the mess we are in today. Furthermore, these same folks preached all kinds of bullshit to us as kids; the "any college degree regardless of the debt" is one I heard constantly throughout the 90s from about every authority/role model figure.
In fairness, they probably truly believed what they were saying at the time and meant no ill intent but to have those same people call millennials "entitled" after essentially being co-conspirators in a massive bait and switch across the board on all fronts is laughable at best and severely insulting at worst.
The following is part of a large post I wrote in another thread. It's basically a detail overview of what life has been like for A LOT of millennial men since the 9/11 time period. You can read the full post here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53377-post-1223578.html#pid1223578
*****
As a native citizen in his late 20s/early 30s, it been one shit sandwich after another pretty much across the board.
Let's take a trip starting from adulthood (let's say around post-9/11) for the average guy in my age range:
Late teens/early 20s:
Increased college tuition cost and expenses made it an era where going to college was a questionable venture from a cost/benefit perspective; a first in modern history. College up until this point was promise relentlessly as the ticket to middle class. Today and for sometime now, it's been a ticket to indenture servitude for most. The writing was on the wall back during the teenage years if you had some foresight but it wasn't generally accepted that college was a bad deal at that point. If you had any foresight to know that college wasn't a good deal for most, your options were:
1. Go into the military during a time of war; a questionable stupid war ran by republicans who seemed more concerned with lining the pockets of defense contractors as oppose to giving the military the resources it needed to accomplish a nearly impossible and poorly planned mission.
2. Go into a trade - which you probably weren't even made aware of during your HS years because no one advocated for them. Furthermore if you did contemplate going down that route, you had to compete with an exponentially growing illegal immigrant pool taking up opportunities and suppressing wages in lower-end trades. You don't speak Spanish and see the illegal day labors in your sanctuary city/county doing the majority of trade labor. You see how they live and how an employer abuses them and can't see any foreseeable path in making it work.
This is all the while wages at the lower-end across the board aren't growing at all to anything resembling livable income even at full-time status and healthcare costs are exploding. God help you if you are young single male with no support structure and get injured in some capacity. You are fucked in every way possible if that happens.
Early/Mid 20s:
Somehow, someway.... you found a path to making some progress in life. It's very modest and bare bones living but it's better than many. Maybe you got a full ride to a university, maybe you joined the military, or maybe you have spent a few years in a trade honing your craft.
.... THEN the economy crashes in 2008; thanks in large part to reckless big banks enabled by both establishment democrats (repealing Glass-Steagall) and republicans (not keeping a lid on lending standards during the 2000s) among many other reasons.
Demand for tradesman plummets.
College graduates aren't getting any offers while many are drowning in debt
People you know, friends and relatives, are underwater with their homes. Some lose them entirely. Many people you know move back home out of necessity. Not just for themselves but to help keep their relatives/friends from ending up on the street.
And establishment republicans and democrats bail out the big money failures. Big banks on Wall Street and big poorly run companies like GM. You think to yourself: where were they when I needed help?
Illegal immigration subsides a bit due to lack of economic demand but now these illegals are having kids by the boatloads and are demanding government services via schooling, housing, medical care, and food. You watch both establishment democrats and to an lesser extent, establishment republicans try to court this growing class of invaders at your expense. You are labeled a uncaring racist scumbag for standing up for your own native citizens.
You see Obama get elected and hope he will be a different class of politician. He turns out to be full of shit; selling the male gender out to appease militant feminist lies and non-sense. He mentions the female wage gap in a State of the Union address and encourages his Justice Department to enable witchhunts on college campuses against men over dubious sexual assault allegations. You see a rise in militant feminism from both the establishment political space and mainstream media. You are confused as hell since the past years economically speaking have not been remotely kind to you. In fact, they have been brutal and requiring significant sacrifice.
Being a man and just breathing in the wrong direction can now destroy whatever fragile and hard-fought career and savings you have established despite having total garbage to work with for years. You are one false accusation away from being financially crippled or imprisoned and nobody anywhere seems to give a shit.
Late 20s/Late 30s:
The economy is a limp-dick, mostly generating shitty service level jobs. Obamacare fixed a few problems but created 100 new ones. Illegal immigration still goes unchecked. Neither political party seems to gives a shit about either addressing the real economic or cultural issues affecting you as a hard working man.
But despite enormous factors working against you for around a decade or so, both economical and cultural, you finally start to find some footing beyond bare bones living. Significant sacrifices are still needed but there is a path to success now that seems realistically achievable despite the onslaught of bullshit.
However, the crop of 2016 Presidential candidates [excluding Trump] are total disasters and can hurt you even further economically and/or culturally. Your blood boils. The wear and tear of around a decade of being dealt shit sandwiches constantly and being force to eat more is simply too much. Time to put an end to this bullshit; it's time to get serious about an exit strategy.
*****
This is what life has been like for many millennial men. So, I ask everyone to tread carefully when spewing out "entitled" bullshit when referring to an entire generation of people that has largely been getting bent over without the KY for quite a while now.
Blaster said:
Here is what you said:
Blaster said:
Also...
Blaster said:
Your post implied social contract, and specific state-based services. You mentioned the existence of the military, as if in the absence of a standing army everyone would be too dead to buy this guy's services.
The article I linked to separates the pre-existence of capital and respect for the rule of law from the state. It also points out that people like this guy probably paid a ton back into the system anyway, just from the work he has done.
Blaster said:
Cool, we can find middle ground here. I agree with you that it is not a good idea for new money to stir up the peasants into a revolt. The point was that, to accomplish anything in this life, even in the glorious first world where we all enjoy such built up social capital, you still need to trade-off fun and free time and take some risks. There is nothing wrong with a man standing his ground when altruistic busy-bodies take a look at his situation NOW (with no regard to the measurable costs of getting there, and the unseen benefits they provide) and declare that he now "owes" something other than the service he is already providing.
You can't seem to be able to make any money until you are 30 these days. Wage floors are just so low compared to what they used to be. None of my high school friends are doing better than just getting by or basically self imposing poverty on their lifestyle to try and get some money together. The whole system is screwed and pushes you into the gutter when just 60 years ago with the same immature 20s guys all you had to do was keep showing up to work.
Sure you could be a better person and still succeed today but that has never been the case.
Sure you could be a better person and still succeed today but that has never been the case.
^ This is another valid point.
A master's degree / MBA is now like an undergrad degree was 20 years ago. The extra time and debt investment is a huge sink to net worth over time combine with lower wages vs. COL.
Although this Golden Era people refer before this time period was only post WW2 until 2000 or so when the initial internet bubble burst happened. So in the entire span of history, the middle class only had it better for 50 years. Out of that the 70s were pretty rough so more like 35 or so "good" years.
Expecting this to last when it has had such a short time in all of history so far in such limited countries and cases worldwide would be naive.
Everyone should be prepared to fight to be in the top 10% vs the bottom 90% because this is what it will be until we have the technology to hand out large amounts of resources at a low cost (high universal wage). Unless there is a huge breakthrough in technology the aging population alone in the West will be a large burden. Nothing will get easier for the "average" person over the next 20 years.
Maybe in 30 or 40 years technology will provide for the "average" man. For now it will only take away in this era that has been around for 15 years.
Apple is the most valuable company in the world it has 100,000 employees. There are 7+ billion people on the planet. Let that sink in. This ratio of companies that provide for all people on the planet - their number of employees vs. the general population will drastically keep going lower.
A master's degree / MBA is now like an undergrad degree was 20 years ago. The extra time and debt investment is a huge sink to net worth over time combine with lower wages vs. COL.
Although this Golden Era people refer before this time period was only post WW2 until 2000 or so when the initial internet bubble burst happened. So in the entire span of history, the middle class only had it better for 50 years. Out of that the 70s were pretty rough so more like 35 or so "good" years.
Expecting this to last when it has had such a short time in all of history so far in such limited countries and cases worldwide would be naive.
Everyone should be prepared to fight to be in the top 10% vs the bottom 90% because this is what it will be until we have the technology to hand out large amounts of resources at a low cost (high universal wage). Unless there is a huge breakthrough in technology the aging population alone in the West will be a large burden. Nothing will get easier for the "average" person over the next 20 years.
Maybe in 30 or 40 years technology will provide for the "average" man. For now it will only take away in this era that has been around for 15 years.
Apple is the most valuable company in the world it has 100,000 employees. There are 7+ billion people on the planet. Let that sink in. This ratio of companies that provide for all people on the planet - their number of employees vs. the general population will drastically keep going lower.
Suits said:
Respectfully, yes and no. While people say we should respect people, it is clearly evident in the US that a lot of kids at an early age don't respect their parents or authority figures. With social media it seems encouraged to be rebel since it is a way to get attention. This has always been the way but social media amplifies it.
And if the kids followed blindly without thinking isn't that sort of the definition of stupid? By not thinking for oneself?
But I understand the power of herd mentality or going with the flow, it is hard to go against it. So I can't be too hard on people in this situation. But my compassion is only for those who have the ability to look back and be objective about it and can see where maybe their own actions contributed to their current situation. Lets be honest some will never blame themselves for anything.
And kids are pretty perceptive they know when people who are superior are full of shit.
But I don't lack compassion for them.
I forgot who posted that they were tired of these threads about Millenials, one way would be to stop reading them. I don't mean that to be a dick, I am just suggesting if it is too upsetting then don't read them. There are certain threads like the race ones, I have just decided best to stay out of because the ability to have objective conversations in them drops off quickly. Honestly, just trying to help.
Travesty makes a good point about Masters degrees being like an undergrad degree 20 years ago. Millenials are screaming for Bernie and free college, yet if they all have college degrees (let's face it some will never graduate) then basically it is another version of high school. So it will be super competitive in the job market for the shit jobs people are complaining about now.
That money for free college is better spent building and bringing back industries where a person can actually build something instead of just being a service based economy and buying from the outside world. And the demand for consumption in a way (plus profits) drives companies abroad so they can bring products here cheaper than if they are manufactured in the US. The goverment may not be good in choosing industries but maybe some adjusted tax structure or incentives.
There was an article about the crazy cycle of walmart that people who want cheap shit but in a way cause themselves to lose their jobs since their employers cannot compete with China, etc.
Travesty mentioned the 10/90. I agree. Not everyone is meant to be the CEO of a company, some people need to be ok with never reaching their dreams. Somehow the problem is society has unrest when people are frustrated, when their achievements do match their egos, feelings and wants. If I recall this girl lived by herself, sounds like she was unwilling to compromise ad have a roommate - I can't be sure no problem. It would be different if she did everything right and still couln't do it. She has a cat, an extra expense. I am not trying to be unfeeling, but once again a sort of luxury.
That money for free college is better spent building and bringing back industries where a person can actually build something instead of just being a service based economy and buying from the outside world. And the demand for consumption in a way (plus profits) drives companies abroad so they can bring products here cheaper than if they are manufactured in the US. The goverment may not be good in choosing industries but maybe some adjusted tax structure or incentives.
There was an article about the crazy cycle of walmart that people who want cheap shit but in a way cause themselves to lose their jobs since their employers cannot compete with China, etc.
Travesty mentioned the 10/90. I agree. Not everyone is meant to be the CEO of a company, some people need to be ok with never reaching their dreams. Somehow the problem is society has unrest when people are frustrated, when their achievements do match their egos, feelings and wants. If I recall this girl lived by herself, sounds like she was unwilling to compromise ad have a roommate - I can't be sure no problem. It would be different if she did everything right and still couln't do it. She has a cat, an extra expense. I am not trying to be unfeeling, but once again a sort of luxury.
Travesty said:
I've been following the arguments for a universal basic income for a while now and I agree with some of their points (though I haven't figured out if a basic income is the way to go).
People's brains aren't evolving quick enough to keep up with the economy as technology gets developed. Eventually, people with 80 IQ will be forced to compete for non-thinking, non-physical roles (such as artists, prostitutes, creatives, carers etc). Technology will be able to do their job cheaper and more efficiently (eg automated touchscreen ordering at McDonalds being trialled).
No problem, doesn't effect me yeah? Wrong. Eventually people with 100 IQ will be in the same basket, then 120 IQ and on and on until its only the few geniuses born every generation that really drives technology forward or can provide something of value like programming a new AI or coming up with a new scientific breakthrough. How many generations it takes for this to happen is up for debate.
I'm not saying all jobs will disappear, but enough of them will to decrease the demand for labour in the long term, driving down wages and leaving many people unemployed and disenfranchised.
I don't think the future is going to be utopian, so its important that we all work hard now while there are still opportunities (however stacked against us). Those who can't compete for the new roles or create ones for themselves will either end up on welfare or perhaps the government will get smart and create 'makework' jobs to keep the great unwashed from rioting.
Hell, maybe its already happening. There's plenty of people out there who aren't fit for work in the jobs currently available but would have been fine out in the fields before the industrial revolution.
If wealth becomes scarce and the welfare/makework system breaks down, you will only need to be a Beta with one of the scarce good jobs to get women again.
If instead we move towards a universal basic income or a post-scarcity economy, people will find another way to compete for status and mates. Game would then become more important than ever and might evolve into the Steroids/Celebrity model that Roosh proposed.
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