Escape From 'The New Normal'?

Bactriancowboy

Pigeon
Other Christian
I think the previous posters in this thread are right. Your time to leave was five years ago, the last place you want to be is somewhere with no network when you're about to be designated a criminal for not taking this "medicine". Anywhere better that we could go, can become worse overnight, as the untimely death of the President of Tanzania has shown.

Dig in, get right with Christ, and become more independent. They will try and take every trivial thing in your life away from you.
 

the high

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Texas seems like a pretty good option if you plan to stay in America. Abbot while not perfect, is one of the few pushing back against vaccine and mask mandates and escaping to Mexico is also an option if things take a turn for the worst.
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Other Christian
This is a private video. Please do not circulate it openly:




What do you guys think about this? I really hope he is wrong but judging by the events here in Spain last year all the way into April I am afraid he may be right.

Coach Red Pill is as sharp as a razor blade with lots of authentic and unique insights

Thanks for sharing the video.

Now if he could only drop the foul language and lower class mannerisms..
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I see a lot of people making a case for staying in your home country. Can someone give an effective counter-argument to this? I say this because I am due to leave in a few days. I had booked a flight literally months ago, but was too lazy to get on it, so kept changing the flight week to week, month to month (zero change fees with the airline but I can't get a refund). It was a pricey flight so I would really hate to lose all that money for no reason. Flight is to Balkans, where there are no vax passports yet to my knowledge.
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Texas seems like a pretty good option if you plan to stay in America. Abbot while not perfect, is one of the few pushing back against vaccine and mask mandates and escaping to Mexico is also an option if things take a turn for the worst.
It's good for now but don't get your hopes up. I live here and they are already trying to circumvent Greg Abbott as they are in Florida with Ron DeSantis. Although some good news is that there is still no enforcement of masks wherever I have gone. They're trying to enforce masks in schools recently but it's really muddy waters right now as far as that goes. Mexico might be alright but travel between the borders is, technically, still only for "essential purposes".
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
I see a lot of people making a case for staying in your home country. Can someone give an effective counter-argument to this? I say this because I am due to leave in a few days. I had booked a flight literally months ago, but was too lazy to get on it, so kept changing the flight week to week, month to month (zero change fees with the airline but I can't get a refund). It was a pricey flight so I would really hate to lose all that money for no reason. Flight is to Balkans, where there are no vax passports yet to my knowledge.

Counter argument; It's gonna be worst in the west, and in cities.

If you're headed to a poorer county, you can easily find a local network of like minded expats. In fact chances are that the reason they'll be in that country at all is because they're running from this.

If the country is poorer, the enforcement will be less crazy, and the chances of bribing are higher.

If the vax rate is lower, and the vaxxed will start dropping, that could be a plus (though I guess offset by the healthcare system being less developed).

Women are guaranteed to be better looking, more feminine and less likely to be vaxxed.

Also, even if it's true that the time to move was 5 years ago, the last chance to move is now.
 
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soli.deo.gloria

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Gold Member
Serious question - if you have faith in Christ why would you run? Or do you feel like that is what God wants you to do? If you say so it is not my place to question it, I am just curious. Maybe look for a place outside of the city (I did) but fleeing to another country seems a little extreme. Maybe I just don't get it. In any case I'm no hero or martyr and I hope and pray for a good outcome but if God determines it is my fate to suffer and be persecuted I will do my best to face it head on and not try to run or hide from it. I have to believe he will provide and reward us for our faith in him if we see it to the end.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
here’s a thought for people still in the US:

If your aren’t someone with a location independent or mobile specialization it might be worth at least talking to any rural, red state Sheriffs offices where you have a connection to the region. A lot of them are hurting for people with the right low end labor market.

Downsides are pay isn’t great (although sufficient for a guy to live off of) and you get to deal with a lot of those rural and small town community problems first hand.

Upsides:

- You’ll be first in line to know about anything going on in the community, and have a bead on problems well before the normies know.

- For the most part, you’ll be working with a team of like minded blue collar guys. Most of my non-duty interactions with these types has indicated that they tend to be, if not “based”, at the very least conservative and community minded.

- As an LEO you have access to training and equipment not available to the general public AND a valid reason for needing them that won’t flag the system.

- Vaccine mandates seem to be rare. Even then they often don’t follow their own rules and they won’t be checking for cops vaccine passports most likely.

- Most Importantly : Play your cards right, look out for people, and be friendly. You’ll very quickly get to know a lot of the people in that community which means you will have significant ability to organize people yourself assuming you have an ounce of charisma.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Serious question - if you have faith in Christ why would you run? Or do you feel like that is what God wants you to do? If you say so it is not my place to question it, I am just curious. Maybe look for a place outside of the city (I did) but fleeing to another country seems a little extreme. Maybe I just don't get it. In any case I'm no hero or martyr and I hope and pray for a good outcome but if God determines it is my fate to suffer and be persecuted I will do my best to face it head on and not try to run or hide from it. I have to believe he will provide and reward us for our faith in him if we see it to the end.
It is not to escape suffering, since suffering is surely coming for all of us in the days ahead. As @brotherjimbob said, it is the last chance to leave if you choose to do so. Otherwise you must be resign yourself to the possibility that you will have to remain where you are forever.
 

Mountaineer

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
If I wanted to stay in Europe I would take my chances in Albania. It's out of EU, it's mountainous, it's underdeveloped, it's warm and sunny and the people are down to earth. There are villages in the mountains where hardly anyone lives any more. It's a scarce place already, people have lived like that for a long time, they won't miss much when the rest of the world falls. No one will hunt you down during lockdown in the mountains. If this won't be enough, hardly anything else will.
 
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iop890

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
Saints have talked about fleeing to less heavily persecuted places during the end times. We don't know whether or not we're entering the end times of course, but if we are then there's no shame in "running" if you think it best for your salvation. You have to weigh the pros and cons of your options yourself.

St. Gabriel Urgebadze has been mentioned in this thread already as he's part of the reason Georgia is getting attention. Because of quotes like this:

Georgia will be enlightened in the End Days; this will be revealed not materially but spiritually. Believers from many countries will gather in Georgia. The wicked deeds started by communists are only a prologue. The worst is ahead. The world has never witnessed such a sorrow from the time immemorial. Georgia will be protected by the Holy Virgin as Iberia is the country chosen by the Holy Mother of God as Her lot. The fight between the prophets Elijah and Enoch against Antichrist will be shown on TV. The leaving of the Holy Mountain by the icon of the Holy Virgin of Iveron will be followed by the bell ringing. The churches will bow down to commemorate the farewell. This also will be shown on TV, so that the whole world could see that and those, who want to save their souls could come to Georgia.

Context for the statement about the Theotokos protecting Georgia:
When the disciples of Christ cast lots after Pentecost, the lot for evangelizing Georgia fell to the Most Holy Theotokos. But Christ revealed to His Mother that it was not His will for her to preach there. “You have been entrusted to protect the Georgian nation,” He said, “but the role of evangelizing that land belongs to My disciple Andrew the First-called..."

Since I'm the one that first made the thread about St. Gabriel and his quotes while I was reading through a book of reminiscences from his spiritual children, I feel I should make it clear that he didn't say it would be fun times over there. He didn't say everything would be based and red-pilled and no one would wear masks and Georgia would tell NATO to go kick rocks. So please don't go thinking it's going to be an escape in that sense.

Georgia will resurrect like Lazarus through many hardships and sufferings, but not until the restoration of monarchy. Salvation will come when you say “This is the end”.

I know it seems bad right now, but it's gonna get a lot worse.
 

Tippy

Woodpecker
Other Christian
If I wanted to stay in Europe I would take my chances in Albania. It's out of EU, it's mountainous, it's underdeveloped, it's warm and sunny and the people are down to earth. There are villages in the mountains where hardly anyone lives any more. It's a scarce place already, people have lived like that for a long time, they won't miss much when the rest of the world falls. No one will hunt you down during lockdown in the mountains. If this won't be enough, hardly anything else will.
It's a good option to be honest. You can also get around other countries by bus.

The only thing is though how realistic is it for people to live in these villages with remote work etc...? How many of us have survival skills to live in the mountains for lengthy periods?

Also, if SHTF for real nobody will care about you as a tourist in their country (remember that is all you are to them. They do not see you as some based renegade freedom warrior. They see dollar signs and view you more as a fun little puppy than a full human being.)

This is going to continue probably for years so that should be factored in. It's not like you'll just be camping out there for a few months while this blows over.

I stayed there for over a month and loved it, but of course psychologically it is quite different when you don't have a return flight option. Maybe it's better in a way - forces you to commit to the country. I also stayed there when there were basically no covid cases per day. The cases are rising now. Also, around 40% of the population have taken one dose of the vax. It isn't high but it isn't low either.

The thing I know about Albania is they had major lockdowns right at the start...but nothing since then. Not last winter, so will they this winter?
But when they had lockdowns, they were harsh. You had to send some message on your phone when you left your house.

The West don't care about Albania and they seem disinterested in this country. Maybe it's because it was closed off from the world for so long. But this is a good thing overall.

It's not developed. Lots of old supermarkets. Almost no places take card. No self-service check-outs etc...I cannot see how they could implement covid pass effectively here in the near future.

I have heard Albanians really are unpredictable and will panic in a crisis. I did not personally see anything like this, but I have heard they can behave like animals when angered. This doesn't exactly fill me with calm when I consider what may come.

Albanians are very loyal to their families. They are traditional people. I have a feeling that the kind people helping you out as a tourist won't exactly be that keen to aid you if there was what they perceived as a sudden threat to their family. Food shortages etc...Big risk to me when alone in a foreign country.

The feeling of escape (planning and doing it) takes away all of the stress of whatever place you are in but eventually you have to be somewhere and it's going to be hard in that place.

Of course, I remember the moment I got on the BA return flight and all these demands to put on my mask. It really did feel like entering a different world completely. And the feeling I got when I entered arrivals in Heathrow has to be one of the most depressed post flight feelings ever. I went from no covid news on my mind at all to being called daily by the government.

I sometimes think I should have gone right back to be honest and I may well live to regret not doing so.
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
It's a good option to be honest. You can also get around other countries by bus.

The only thing is though how realistic is it for people to live in these villages with remote work etc...? How many of us have survival skills to live in the mountains for lengthy periods?

Also, if SHTF for real nobody will care about you as a tourist in their country (remember that is all you are to them. They do not see you as some based renegade freedom warrior. They see dollar signs and view you more as a fun little puppy than a full human being.)

This is going to continue probably for years so that should be factored in. It's not like you'll just be camping out there for a few months while this blows over.

I stayed there for over a month and loved it, but of course psychologically it is quite different when you don't have a return flight option. Maybe it's better in a way - forces you to commit to the country. I also stayed there when there were basically no covid cases per day. The cases are rising now. Also, around 40% of the population have taken one dose of the vax. It isn't high but it isn't low either.

The thing I know about Albania is they had major lockdowns right at the start...but nothing since then. Not last winter, so will they this winter?
But when they had lockdowns, they were harsh. You had to send some message on your phone when you left your house.

The West don't care about Albania and they seem disinterested in this country. Maybe it's because it was closed off from the world for so long. But this is a good thing overall.

It's not developed. Lots of old supermarkets. Almost no places take card. No self-service check-outs etc...I cannot see how they could implement covid pass effectively here in the near future.

I have heard Albanians really are unpredictable and will panic in a crisis. I did not personally see anything like this, but I have heard they can behave like animals when angered. This doesn't exactly fill me with calm when I consider what may come.

Albanians are very loyal to their families. They are traditional people. I have a feeling that the kind people helping you out as a tourist won't exactly be that keen to aid you if there was what they perceived as a sudden threat to their family. Food shortages etc...Big risk to me when alone in a foreign country.

The feeling of escape (planning and doing it) takes away all of the stress of whatever place you are in but eventually you have to be somewhere and it's going to be hard in that place.

Of course, I remember the moment I got on the BA return flight and all these demands to put on my mask. It really did feel like entering a different world completely. And the feeling I got when I entered arrivals in Heathrow has to be one of the most depressed post flight feelings ever. I went from no covid news on my mind at all to being called daily by the government.

I sometimes think I should have gone right back to be honest and I may well live to regret not doing so.

You still have the option...

'Also, around 40% of the population have taken one dose of the vax. It isn't high but it isn't low either.'

Where did you get that stat?


'I have heard Albanians really are unpredictable and will panic in a crisis. I did not personally see anything like this, but I have heard they can behave like animals when angered.'

I think we're soon gonna learn that's a pretty global trait.
 

hkhathaj

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I see a lot of people making a case for staying in your home country. Can someone give an effective counter-argument to this? I say this because I am due to leave in a few days. I had booked a flight literally months ago, but was too lazy to get on it, so kept changing the flight week to week, month to month (zero change fees with the airline but I can't get a refund). It was a pricey flight so I would really hate to lose all that money for no reason. Flight is to Balkans, where there are no vax passports yet to my knowledge.
If I was alone and in one of the worst places (UK, Australia, NY or California in the US, etc) then I would also move. Though I would think about moving to a more remote place in the same country so at least I would not risk being deported due to not being a resident.

I live in Hungary and I plan to move to a more remote place. There is only one village where some people know me and thus I am looking for property in that exact village. I am looking for a place which has forest at the back of the yard so in case of a hard lockdown I can at least leave my home on foot or on a mountain bike. (You know I predict camera or 5G radar enforced lockdown and maybe only a forest could make it possible to move.) This way I will be more mobile than the average people and that will be enough to feel smug.

Regarding the vaccination rate the place is not ideal but I think knowing people is more important. Interestingly enough the gypsies have the lowest vaccination rate. In Hungary there is a village with ~10% vax rate (while the national average is about 50-60%) and virtually all people in the village are gypsies. There was a short film about it and the men basically told that they know this whole thing is a hoax. These people are considered to be the stupidest and they are the most clever in this question even without academic knowledge they just feel it. And they are the only ones who can stand up as a group because they live together in a village and 90% of them is on board.
 

hkhathaj

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Serious question - if you have faith in Christ why would you run? Or do you feel like that is what God wants you to do? If you say so it is not my place to question it, I am just curious. Maybe look for a place outside of the city (I did) but fleeing to another country seems a little extreme. Maybe I just don't get it. In any case I'm no hero or martyr and I hope and pray for a good outcome but if God determines it is my fate to suffer and be persecuted I will do my best to face it head on and not try to run or hide from it. I have to believe he will provide and reward us for our faith in him if we see it to the end.
I believe in that it is not enough to believe in God but you also have to do the right thing. Like "Trust in God and keep your powder dry".

We have a joke: "There is a flood and a guy climbs to the top of his house. There he is praying: God, please help me! A boat comes with rescuing people and they still have a seat for him. No I don't need you because God will help me! Then a second boat comes to his help. No I don't need you because God will help me! Then a third boat comes but he still stays on the roof praying. Then he drowns and his soul meets God. He asks God: I have prayed why did you not save me? God's reply: I have sent you three boats."

Maybe God's way to save us is to show us the information that we have to leave the cities (and maybe the worst countries also)! There is also an example of it in the Bible the story of "Sodom and Gomorrah". God asked the good people to leave the sinful cities and not even look back!

It is a little bit bizarre to think of but maybe God tries to send us a message through CRP and the Daily Stormer. At least those are the sources that tell us without doubt that we have to leave the cities as soon as possible.
 

ZmbHntr

Chicken
I'm in Darwin, northern Australia, a tropical city with a population of 150,000. It seemed promising last year as were mostly not impacted from the lockdowns and even buses kept running with no-one wearing masks. This year, things are steadily getting worse. There was a recent lockdown for just 1 case, there is mandatory QR codes for entry to stores, and the Chief Minister has threatened to only allow interstate travel for vaccinated people. Although right now there's no lockdown and no compulsory masks. The level of compliance during lockdowns has been astonishing. Years ago, I used to respect people in this city for being more independent and critical thinking than those in southern Australia. That is no longer the case.

I'm looking to escape Australia in the next year of two. Need to sort out finances first. I'm considering remote places such as Borneo, Myanmar, Cambodia, southern Philippines or central America. Previously, I've visited dozens of wet markets throughout Southeast Asia as a tourist, and always found it easy to shop for food, even when I don't speak the local language. The food was always extremely fresh and top quality, in fact a lot better than in Australia.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
I see a lot of people making a case for staying in your home country. Can someone give an effective counter-argument to this? I say this because I am due to leave in a few days. I had booked a flight literally months ago, but was too lazy to get on it, so kept changing the flight week to week, month to month (zero change fees with the airline but I can't get a refund). It was a pricey flight so I would really hate to lose all that money for no reason. Flight is to Balkans, where there are no vax passports yet to my knowledge.


Depends where your own country is, what your situation is and what other options you have there.

Life is ultimately (IMHO) better in Eastern Europe, if you can work remotely & get paid in a Western currency, or have sufficient savings at least.

I just dont think now is the time to get a legal foothold in one, or to be drifting from country to country. If you want to chance it and have an extended holiday of 90 days in Balkans, why not. Question you need to ask yourself is what you do after that 90 days. Getting residency visas is a massive ball ache at best of times.

If you're happy to roll the dice and take each day as it comes, then go for it, but if you go next week, you will need to be border hopping come December 1st, and who knows where we'll all be by then.

If you want to return home (gonna use UK as example, as dont knwo where you're from), then there's a real possibility if you want to return you'll have to pay two grand to be put under house arrest in a Travel-Lodge at Heathrow, while a Somalian or Pakistani staff member shoves appalling microwave food under your door 3 times a day.

It all comes down on comparing things in your current situation and homelife ultimately.
 
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