Escape From 'The New Normal'?

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
The problem
If I was alone and in one of the worst places (UK, Australia, NY or California in the US, etc) then I would also move. Though I would think about moving to a more remote place in the same country so at least I would not risk being deported due to not being a resident.

I live in Hungary and I plan to move to a more remote place. There is only one village where some people know me and thus I am looking for property in that exact village. I am looking for a place which has forest at the back of the yard so in case of a hard lockdown I can at least leave my home on foot or on a mountain bike. (You know I predict camera or 5G radar enforced lockdown and maybe only a forest could make it possible to move.) This way I will be more mobile than the average people and that will be enough to feel smug.

Regarding the vaccination rate the place is not ideal but I think knowing people is more important. Interestingly enough the gypsies have the lowest vaccination rate. In Hungary there is a village with ~10% vax rate (while the national average is about 50-60%) and virtually all people in the village are gypsies. There was a short film about it and the men basically told that they know this whole thing is a hoax. These people are considered to be the stupidest and they are the most clever in this question even without academic knowledge they just feel it. And they are the only ones who can stand up as a group because they live together in a village and 90% of them is on board.

The problem with the UK is it's such a small densely populated island...

I can't imagine you'd stay hidden in the woods for long.
 

Caduceus

Pelican
The problem

The problem with the UK is it's such a small densely populated island...

I can't imagine you'd stay hidden in the woods for long.

Northern Scotland is still pretty empty.




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hkhathaj

Kingfisher
Other Christian
The problem

The problem with the UK is it's such a small densely populated island...

I can't imagine you'd stay hidden in the woods for long.
I did not mean to live in the woods but in a village at the side of the woods. So that even if there is an electronic control grid installed (cameras or 5G radars) I am still able to move out of my home without being catched by police at once.

That will not give me much freedom but a little at least. I could visit a few of my neighbors and neighboring villages also. I could climb the surrounding hills whenever I want - as long as I stay in the woods where there is 5G or camera coverage. If you really imagine the "5km circle once a week alone" style lockdown enforced digitally then this in itself can hugely improve your lifestyle compared to living in a flat in a city.
 

brotherjimbob

 
Banned
I did not mean to live in the woods but in a village at the side of the woods. So that even if there is an electronic control grid installed (cameras or 5G radars) I am still able to move out of my home without being catched by police at once.

That will not give me much freedom but a little at least. I could visit a few of my neighbors and neighboring villages also. I could climb the surrounding hills whenever I want - as long as I stay in the woods where there is 5G or camera coverage. If you really imagine the "5km circle once a week alone" style lockdown enforced digitally then this in itself can hugely improve your lifestyle compared to living in a flat in a city.

I understood you... it's a good plan.
 

surfdog

Sparrow
It's good for now but don't get your hopes up. I live here and they are already trying to circumvent Greg Abbott as they are in Florida with Ron DeSantis. Although some good news is that there is still no enforcement of masks wherever I have gone. They're trying to enforce masks in schools recently but it's really muddy waters right now as far as that goes. Mexico might be alright but travel between the borders is, technically, still only for "essential purposes".
The liberals are trying to make Texas blue. That is there goal for the past 10 years. Dallas, Austin, and Santonio are liberal hot spots. The rest of the state is still flying Trump flags. Abbot passed an executive order for no masks in school. Well every liberal school district said "F*** that" and mandated masks anyhow.

Also, California liberals are moving here in droves by the day. If you do move to TX, then the smaller cities and remote ranches you would be left alone. There are places in Texas where they will never submit to any mask or lockdown orders. But Austin is not that place.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
They were flying drones to read unauthorized registration plates during the first lockdown.

They'd have you in a 'center for national resiliance' before you could gut it.

This was in the first lockdown last Summer.

Now imagine there's some terrifying nEw vArIaNt!!!! to cover the vaccinated die off rates, and they need some scapegoats.

 

the high

Kingfisher
Other Christian
It's good for now but don't get your hopes up. I live here and they are already trying to circumvent Greg Abbott as they are in Florida with Ron DeSantis. Although some good news is that there is still no enforcement of masks wherever I have gone. They're trying to enforce masks in schools recently but it's really muddy waters right now as far as that goes. Mexico might be alright but travel between the borders is, technically, still only for "essential purposes".
Isn't it fairly easy to cross into Mexico by land?
 

magaman

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
The liberals are trying to make Texas blue. That is there goal for the past 10 years. Dallas, Austin, and Santonio are liberal hot spots. The rest of the state is still flying Trump flags. Abbot passed an executive order for no masks in school. Well every liberal school district said "F*** that" and mandated masks anyhow.

Also, California liberals are moving here in droves by the day. If you do move to TX, then the smaller cities and remote ranches you would be left alone. There are places in Texas where they will never submit to any mask or lockdown orders. But Austin is not that place.
Thank God I don't live in either three of those cities.
 

hkhathaj

Kingfisher
Other Christian
This was in the first lockdown last Summer.

Now imagine there's some terrifying nEw vArIaNt!!!! to cover the vaccinated die off rates, and they need some scapegoats.


I have talked to a few people IRL who understand the nature of this system. I have told them that we will have digitally enforced lockdown that is represented by this video. Even they told me that I am unnecessarily concerned and I exaggerate it. I am not sure but I prepare for the worst.
 

soli.deo.gloria

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Gold Member
Maybe God's way to save us is to show us the information that we have to leave the cities (and maybe the worst countries also)! There is also an example of it in the Bible the story of "Sodom and Gomorrah". God asked the good people to leave the sinful cities and not even look back!

If I understood that story correctly God offered to spare those cities if there was even one good person in them (there wasn't). Bottom line if you feel God is telling you something I think you should listen. And I do think it's smart to leave the cities because it is not a healthy environment. I was more referring to the folks who are talking about fleeing to remote places. Maybe you can put off the inevitable for a little while but to what end? Is prolonging this temporary life of flesh as long as possible your top priority? Have you asked God what he wants?

Anyway I don't claim to be any kind of authority on these matters and it is not my goal to put anyone down at all. I have asked God these same questions as I try to figure out what I should do and I am honestly not sure what the right answer is. Maybe it is different for everyone. Whatever you end up doing I pray that you will find peace and that it ultimately leads you to be closer with God.

John 12:
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Depends where your own country is, what your situation is and what other options you have there.

Life is ultimately (IMHO) better in Eastern Europe, if you can work remotely & get paid in a Western currency, or have sufficient savings at least.

I just dont think now is the time to get a legal foothold in one, or to be drifting from country to country. If you want to chance it and have an extended holiday of 90 days in Balkans, why not. Question you need to ask yourself is what you do after that 90 days. Getting residency visas is a massive ball ache at best of times.

If you're happy to roll the dice and take each day as it comes, then go for it, but if you go next week, you will need to be border hopping come December 1st, and who knows where we'll all be by then.

If you want to return home (gonna use UK as example, as dont knwo where you're from), then there's a real possibility if you want to return you'll have to pay two grand to be put under house arrest in a Travel-Lodge at Heathrow, while a Somalian or Pakistani staff member shoves appalling microwave food under your door 3 times a day.

It all comes down on comparing things in your current situation and homelife ultimately.
There are some countries (Albania and Georgia) where I can stay for up to a year. For Georgia the program is two years on their digital nomad program. I'm not so worried about the hopping around to be honest. I am more worried about the unpredictability, and as you said, showing up and being under house arrest. I am not vaccinated so showing up and literally not being able to do anything would suck. I am currently in Florida where I can technically do stuff, but I live in a rural area and the only thing I actually do is go to the gym. I'd like to be around people, particularly non-brainwashed people, Orthodox Churches, etc.
 

El Draque

 
Banned
Orthodox
There are some countries (Albania and Georgia) where I can stay for up to a year. For Georgia the program is two years on their digital nomad program. I'm not so worried about the hopping around to be honest. I am more worried about the unpredictability, and as you said, showing up and being under house arrest. I am not vaccinated so showing up and literally not being able to do anything would suck. I am currently in Florida where I can technically do stuff, but I live in a rural area and the only thing I actually do is go to the gym. I'd like to be around people, particularly non-brainwashed people, Orthodox Churches, etc.

I'm in Georgia now, and i wouldn't recommend coming here. Masks are mandated, 80% people are wearing in the street, general vibe is people absolutely going along with it all, and full of fear.

There was a report that from Sept 4th the government will make all bars, restaurants, gyms etc VaxPass only. Not sure if that's passed, but its surely only a matter of time.

Compare this to Ukraine, where although masks are needed in shops and public transport, its very half-assed, people flout it regularly and vast majority people are wearing over mouth only.

Here that is other way round, most people seem mouth and nose covered in the street, alone.

Churches here are all mask requiring, been barked at by a woman at the counter on one occasion. Never been asked that once in Ukraine.

It's nuts. And surely will only get worse as Summer turns to Autumn and the narrative and regulations are amped up.
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I'm in Georgia now, and i wouldn't recommend coming here. Masks are mandated, 80% people are wearing in the street, general vibe is people absolutely going along with it all, and full of fear.

There was a report that from Sept 4th the government will make all bars, restaurants, gyms etc VaxPass only. Not sure if that's passed, but its surely only a matter of time.

Compare this to Ukraine, where although masks are needed in shops and public transport, its very half-assed, people flout it regularly and vast majority people are wearing over mouth only.

Here that is other way round, most people seem mouth and nose covered in the street, alone.

Churches here are all mask requiring, been barked at by a woman at the counter on one occasion. Never been asked that once in Ukraine.

It's nuts. And surely will only get worse as Summer turns to Autumn and the narrative and regulations are amped up.
Yeah I am thinking of avoiding Georgia from what you say now too. At least give the population time to rebel against these restrictions. I wonder when the doors will close here in America. So far we can still travel, but for how long? A part of me is saying to stay, another part of me is saying to go. I can keep postponing the trip but at some point it will become too late.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Keep in mind being able to leave will vary widely by income level. CRP's videos mirror some anecdotal information I can find to support his assertion that private jet travel is largely unimpeded.

If we all really have to, I suspect many of us on here could very easily scrounge together enough of a pool of funds to pay for a one way private jet ticket departing from a rural airport.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Serious question - if you have faith in Christ why would you run?
There's an anecdote about a man who's about to drown in a flood. A boat comes by and offers to rescue him, but he says "no thank you - Jesus will save me." A helicopter comes by and offers him a rope to climb up on. He again says "no thank you, Jesus will save me." He drowns in the flood and dies. When he meets Jesus, he asks him: "why didn't you come and save me?" Jesus replies: "I sent you a boat AND a helicopter you idiot."
 

kel

 
Banned
Keep in mind being able to leave will vary widely by income level. CRP's videos mirror some anecdotal information I can find to support his assertion that private jet travel is largely unimpeded.

If we all really have to, I suspect many of us on here could very easily scrounge together enough of a pool of funds to pay for a one way private jet ticket departing from a rural airport.
I don't even know how much that would be. Do you, or anyone here? For the sake of argument (and pretending there are no other "visa issues" or whatever), how much would a 10-seater private plane leaving from, to use the OP's (of this thread or another) real life example, going from BC (presumably Vancouver or nearby small-plane airfield) to, say, Portland (ditto)?
 

Don Quixote

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
I don't even know how much that would be. Do you, or anyone here? For the sake of argument (and pretending there are no other "visa issues" or whatever), how much would a 10-seater private plane leaving from, to use the OP's (of this thread or another) real life example, going from BC (presumably Vancouver or nearby small-plane airfield) to, say, Portland (ditto)?
Probably it would be affordable. During the early pandemic there was a group of people who were attempting to charter a flight from China to the USA to bring their dogs back home (costing around $2,000 per person). I think there were around 150 people on the flight, and it cost them 500,000 total. It also failed miserably, because the Chinese government delayed the flight, and the charter company (a Lebanese company) took the money and ran.

But for a small 10 seater for such a short distance, I assume it would be pretty affordable.
 
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