Escape From 'The New Normal'?

Hypno

Crow
I spent a bit of time around Lake Bled but it was a bit too touristy to me. The area around Lake Bohinj was a lot more to my liking.

Wow, that's beautiful. I too have been to Lake Bled. Also, Lake Hallstatt in Austria. Both, but especially the latter, have too many tourists, although I was there several years ago and it can only be worse now.

Llubjiana is nice for a city as well, as are the areas with the caves (Postojna and Skocjan) closer to the coast.

I don't know much about the politics of Slovenia but the people were friendly and polite, and everyone in Llubjiana looked like a model (I believe there is a university there).
 

Hypno

Crow
Hit Carabbean islands. Ibiza is vulnerable.1

Most of the Carribean islands are subsidized by some foreign power and/or tourists and are not really sustaiable. To the extent they are sustainable, they lack a lot of items and conveniences that you might be used to, at least at reasonable prices. Can you go without air conditioning in a humid environment? Live in a place without a WalMart, Home Depot, Costco, or cheap Amazon delivery?

One of the most developed Carribean islands is Puerto Rico, which is worth considering for the tax advantages alone, but most of the island went a long time without electricity after the hurrican a few years ago.

I'm not suggesting that these are deal stoppers, but they certainly make living in the Carribean different from say a rural area in the U.S. East of the Mississippi it would be difficult to find land that is further than 30 minutes from a Walmart.
 

redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
I've never been but what about Ibiza or the Canary Islands? They seem far removed from the nonsense with pleasant weather.

Still part of Spain and thus aspect of similar restrictions. BTW, the Canary Islands are currently getting inundated with migrants who arrive by boats by the thousands each week. This is creating quite a rift among the population as they see their islands being flooded with Africans during a time when tourism (their main source of income aside of agriculture) has dropped to a trickle.


These are small islands and the current influx will leave an indelible mark on the quality of life there. I have visited on several occasions but will probably not return given where things are heading.
 

barrythecyborg

Kingfisher
I'd second Belarus a few months ago, but now who knows what's gonna happen before the end of the year.

Luka's going... odds are that they'll fall under the wing of Russia, but there are so many thousands of morons marching to be locked up...

That disgusting wh.... woman, Svetlana MILF, is so obviously bought and has so much support it really could happen.

It wouldn't be the best place to suffer lockdown if it came to it.

It's also gonna be locked-out.

They've already closed the EU borders and implemented a covid pass (www.covidpass.lt).

I'm thinking of heading back, but if the worst happened, I could be stuck there.

I reckon we're all being hunted, and it's been super gradual, but this last phase will be pretty quick.

Just think how you try to catch a fly...
 
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ginsu

Kingfisher
Still part of Spain and thus aspect of similar restrictions. BTW, the Canary Islands are currently getting inundated with migrants who arrive by boats by the thousands each week. This is creating quite a rift among the population as they see their islands being flooded with Africans during a time when tourism (their main source of income aside of agriculture) has dropped to a trickle.


These are small islands and the current influx will leave an indelible mark on the quality of life there. I have visited on several occasions but will probably not return given where things are heading.

What a shame.... thanks for the warning anyway will remove that place from the list from any potential trips. I thought maybe canary islands would be spared since its not in between EU and Africa but off to the side, i guess that was really naive.
 

JohnQThomas

Woodpecker
Not sure if you're cynical but it's essentially private insurance that we pay in cash once per year. That's pretty much it. Covers almost everything except for prescriptions but meds over here are embarrassingly cheap. The docs in our group aren't top notch but good enough for 90% of the stuff you're dealing with on an ongoing basis. For special expert stuff we always have the option to go to Madrid which has very good doctors.
Sounds good. Maybe something like that should be available in America.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
One problem with traveling to another country is that you will probably have to use a major airline and they'll forcibly muzzle you when you get on the plane. No valve masks or masks that make it easier to breathe. Even if you travel by ship they'll probably force a mask on you.

Stuff a sheet into your carry on, then hide under the sheet once you get on the plane.
 

Grow Bag

Kingfisher
Still part of Spain and thus aspect of similar restrictions. BTW, the Canary Islands are currently getting inundated with migrants who arrive by boats by the thousands each week. This is creating quite a rift among the population as they see their islands being flooded with Africans during a time when tourism (their main source of income aside of agriculture) has dropped to a trickle.

These are small islands and the current influx will leave an indelible mark on the quality of life there. I have visited on several occasions but will probably not return given where things are heading.
I have a friend living in Gran Canaria. He bought a holiday flat as a source of income, renting it out each winter to Scandinavians. He told me recently that he had no takers this year, not even an enquiry. Like you say, the migrant influx is exacerbating the problems facing countries who rely on tourism and now this. It's one bitter pill after another.
 
I have a friend living in Gran Canaria. He bought a holiday flat as a source of income, renting it out each winter to Scandinavians. He told me recently that he had no takers this year, not even an enquiry. Like you say, the migrant influx is exacerbating the problems facing countries who rely on tourism and now this. It's one bitter pill after another.

Maybe you should tell your friend to consider lowering the price? I was looking at going to the canaries for a couple of months during the winter until hopefully somewhere in SE Asia opens up but all the stuff on airbnb seems pretty expensive and not worth it for what you get. If there was actually some good deals available I'd be there in a flash
 

John

Pigeon
Portugal is surprisingly turning out to be an interesting option in Southern Europe. It's definitely still doomed in the long term, but its destruction seems to be delayed compared to everywhere else. The government held a meeting today to determine new restrictions and they are mild compared to the rest of Europe: in some areas residents can only leave their house for "essential activities", but since all businesses and restaurants are still open and there are no time limits on going outside for exercise or group size restrictions, it doesn't seem to be enforceable. Diapers are still only required inside or on "busy streets", meaning unless you go to a big event like the Grand Prix you don't need to wear one outside. The country is clearly suffering from mass mental illness and hysteria, but at least it's not as harsh as Spain, Italy, UK, and Ireland.
 
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ginsu

Kingfisher
Maybe you should tell your friend to consider lowering the price? I was looking at going to the canaries for a couple of months during the winter until hopefully somewhere in SE Asia opens up but all the stuff on airbnb seems pretty expensive and not worth it for what you get. If there was actually some good deals available I'd be there in a flash

It does seem that most haven't been willing to lower their prices by much or at all, regardless of whether they are getting any takers. I've seen it too in areas that you would expect have great deals now because of dead tourism industry.
 

redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
Maybe you should tell your friend to consider lowering the price? I was looking at going to the canaries for a couple of months during the winter until hopefully somewhere in SE Asia opens up but all the stuff on airbnb seems pretty expensive and not worth it for what you get. If there was actually some good deals available I'd be there in a flash

Actually that is a good point. I was checking for places in Huesca as well as the East Coast of Spain the other day on airbnb (yeah I know....) and other pertinent Spanish sites. What can I tell you guys, the prices were INSANE!! We're talking €80/night for a glorified hole in the wall. One place I rented for €50/night in March now goes fo €90 and it's got water stains all over the place. No idea what's going on as international tourism all across Spain is practically dead and mostly domestic tourism remains. The other thing I noticed was that most of these places were wide open without any or just a few bookings on their calendar. Despite that the prices have been on the rise since mid summer. Just cognitive dissonance mixed with greed or do they know something I don't?
 

redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
It does seem that most haven't been willing to lower their prices by much or at all, regardless of whether they are getting any takers. I've seen it too in areas that you would expect have great deals now because of dead tourism industry.

I think it's going to bite them in the ass. It's pride mixed with greed and a bit of cognitive dissonance. At least here in Spain I can tell you that the government has whipped everyone into such a frenzy of fear that they won't open things up until at least next May. And even then restrictions will apply. So hosts would be well served to make their money while they can. Instead they are overpricing with properties remaining empty. Then again, Spaniards never had much of a business sense I'm afraid. The concept of supply and demand is alien to them.
 

John

Pigeon
At least here in Spain I can tell you that the government has whipped everyone into such a frenzy of fear that they won't open things up until at least next May.
Are masks still required outside in Spain? During the first lockdown I read that police would stop you even in a rural area for not wearing a mask. Is it still like that, or can you go for a walk without having a rag on your face?
 
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redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
Are masks still required outside in Spain? During the first lockdown I read that police would stop you even in a rural area for not wearing a mask. Is it still like that, or can you go for a walk without having a rag on your face?

Oh yeah everywhere you go. And the entire populace has basically fallen in line. I never thought Spaniards of all people would so easily abandon their civil liberties but I guess they only go on the street to demonstrate for liberal b.s. like abortion or more vacations as 30 days during the summer plus a ton of national holidays ain't enough.

Spain has quickly turned into a police state and if this persists until next summer we are outta here.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
Hungary got a bit stricter but it seems to be just for show and optics. I suspect they're just trying to avoid a color revolution like Belarus got.

Like yeah they closed the borders in September... is anyone really against closing the borders in a time of migrant crisis?
They have a curfew now but it's midnight to 6 am... when nobody is out anyway. Seems to be lip service to corona hoax IMO.
They require masks in restaurants now... but only when you're walking. Haha. So funny.
Like you put on the mask, walk 7 steps and take it off as you sit down at your table.

That said I hear Serbia is even more open than Hungary, is that true? Mask compliance here is quite high now indoors (in supermarkets, malls, etc.)
 

redpillage

Ostrich
Gold Member
Well I guess this thread just became a lot more pressing. Like most of you I've been through a veritable emotional roller coaster over the past few days and after a long mostly sleepless night had to arrive at the conclusion that returning back to the U.S. will not an option for me and my family, no matter whether Trump or Biden is sworn in come January 20th.

Having lived abroad for many years now and being a dual citizen (some European country and American) makes that pretty easy for me and many of you guys stateside reading this will have fewer options and will have to look at relocating to other U.S. states. However, that does not mean that I am in much better shape than you are as a Biden win will *significantly* change the dynamics of relations between Brussels, Beijing, and Washington. As in full blown socialism and potentially years of consecutive lock downs, restrictive mask laws, and infringements of our civic rights. National borders are going to be wide open to foreigners while native citizens will find their mobility restricted or completely curtailed.

Moving forward Europeans and White Americans are effectively 2nd class citizens in their own nations, many simply just don't know it yet. Once it finally dawns on the majority it will be too late for a revesal. So extraction to a quiet backwater haven is starting to look ever more attractive and perhaps necessary in a year or two before Health-ID and other COVID related authoritarian measures are being fully implemented.

Slovenia had been high on my list but I just checked the state department's site and to my horror had learn that the country is even more restrictive than Southern Europe right now. Meaning obligatory masks everywhere in public except in parks and forests where you are able to maintain a distance of 3 meters (~10 feet). Hotels and airbnbs are all closed except for a select few for business delegations. Getting into the country right now is next to impossible even with a European passport, unless you are moving for good, have a place to move to, and are able to tolerate 2 weeks of obligatory quarantine. Not an option for me right now or until at least mid next year.

It's going to be a long depressing winter, but this is the time to share intelligence and to compare notes. To get prepared for the invariable exodus that will surely follow as the global agenda is fully implemented. We definitely want to be ahead of the curve as many attractive locations will be forced to restrict the influx of 'Western refugees' (maybe I just coined a new word here) due to a growing number of expats affecting the housing market and perhaps causing friction with the local population.

If you have any boots on the grounds knowledge of the current situation in various European or non-European countries/regions I encourage you to post them here as it will be extremely valuable to the rest of us who find ourselves confronted with increasingly authoritarian regimes bent on limiting our civil liberties and implementing a new global order.
 
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