Escape From 'The New Normal'?

Krieger_07

Sparrow
It's a little better down here in the South it seems but the situation is far from normal. If I didn't have to have surgery next month I would be packing right now - today! I have never ever seen an entire nation collectively abandon their human rights and jump through every single hoop that is put in front of them by a tyrannical government. There appears to be no democratic consciousness here in Spain, the country truly is lost.

I agree with you, but it's not a lack of "democratic consciousness" (whatever in hell that is) but a question of faith. Spanish people, old and young have mostly faith in THEIR GOVERNMENT. Not in God, or Saints, but in THE STATE. When your god is the state, and you sincerely believe this, things like this are bound to happen. Modern Spaniards may complain a lot about their politicians but they sincerely believe that the government's duty is to take care of them and sincerely believe that everything will be ok if only the right people is in place. I say this with utter sadness since I'm one of their descendants from the other side of the pond and have visited Spain several times. And a similar disease seems to have taken hold of much of the western world.

That's why many people is UTTERLY UNABLE (at least for now) to see their government and state apparatus for what really is and judge it not according their preconceived notions but on its actions and where this actions are taking us.
 
UK RVFers...

If you were currently outside the UK (as I am) what would entice you back at the moment, with the risk of flights grounding, vaccine 'passports' and all that bulls[earmuffs]?

Pretty negative, so I apologize... but I'll miss a big opportunity if I don't go back to the UK next month, but I don't want to get mousetrapped and find myself in some quarantine internment facility in a decade.
 

Krieger_07

Sparrow
Update from Spain regarding the Galicia region. So it seems, much to my surprise, it's the PP (the purported 'conservatives') in Galicia who are pushing for obligatory inoculations:


Here's the translation of the key passage in the article, the rest is just linguistic mumbo jumbo and legalese:

My guess would be somewhere around half of the population would get the jab. It's not that Spaniards are more gullible than the rest of the Europeans or Americans but the main problem here is that the entire media landscape is heavily leaning toward the extreme left. The transformation you are seeing in the U.S. right now is what has been in place here in Spain for the past decade or more. From the top of my head I would not be able to point you toward a single major conservative news outlet or TV channel. Sure there are small dissident sites and VOX is gradually building a following but access to alternative Spanish language information is little to none.

At least judging by the article it seems that the PP may be able to pass this bill in Galicia which effectively would make it statewide law. Scary indeed and IMO a direct affront to basic human rights. Of course there will be attempts to sue them in court but you know how that goes. You'll be lucky if you get a court date five years from now and by then you may already be dead or physically disabled from the long term side effects of this experimental gene therapy.
Couldn't have said it better.

VOX right now is fighting for its life (even if many members don't know it yet) since the powers that be have already infiltrated the party and trying to steer it from worthwhile goals. See for example their response to the "pandemic". But you are right, nowadays they are the ONLY rightish and patriotish party in Spain. The rest of them (PP, Podemos, PSOE, separastist scum parties, etc.) are just sold-outs to the globalists and/or are hell-bent is dismantling Spain and delivering its parts to the beast. Like you said, the political climate there is so skewed to the left that what passes for "conservadores" there, might as well be the moderate left wing of the democratic party in the US, and PP would be all-in for things like the green deal, race critical theory, etc. To the left of the "conservative" PP you will find self-declared chavista enablers and outright communists (PSOE, Podemos and separatist scum parties, all of them progressives).

Right now three things that have caused all this come to mind:

1. Utter loss of christian faith in Spain replacement with faith in the State. You'd be lucky (from my experience, might be wrong) to find 10 thousand young devote men and women in ALL Spain. I mean, devote people, not merely churchgoers or parade goers in "Semana Santa" (Easter) or in the several days dedicated to saints. I mean devoted people, to the point that they have preserved their faith in God and rejected the last 5 anti-popes as the heretics they were/are.
2. The cultural defeat of Franco. Franco won the battlefield, but lost the academia and culture. He never cared about the culture or looked forward to developing a theoretical (and popular) worldview to justify his regime and vision of Spain (shared by at least half the population during his lifetime). His veiled enemies occupied positions in university, mass media etc. You can guess what happened the decade before and the years after he died.
3. TPTB hate Spain with passion and will never rest until Spain, of all nations of Europe, is balkanized completely and returned to the time of the "Taifas" (fiefdoms) . They will never forget Spaniards did the most to spread Christianity. Were it not for Spaniards, Christianity would be relegated to Europe and some outposts in North America and Australia. Would be much more easier to stamp out.
 

ginsu

Woodpecker
Arabs took over all Iberia besides a 5% of territory in the north which was a small piece of land anyway.

It was mostly the fault of Visigoths who got defeated easily. They never had much genetic impact in Iberia anyway.

Anyway, I am not a medic but there is some truth in these new variants of this virus. Not everything is made up, somethings are true .

Anyway, this is more than insane and a new dictatorship established and its first proof of how manageable it would be is in Spain.

Ireland the same.

I think such measures would never be applied in Eastern Europe or Balkans .

Do you have any info on muslim countries ?, seems those places are going under the radar in terms of what the lockdowns are like or if the population submits or not. Except for dubai I haven't seen anything

I previously lived in Spain for two years, I remember the Spaniards used to protest about everything from left to right. Each spring there was a big protest every week in Madrid. I find it odd if they aren't protesting anymore, but from what I hear, there are several protests against the restrictions, they just don't get attention in the news.

Visited Galicia several times - aside from the city Vigo, the population in the Galician community seemed to be very old and not very rebellious, so there probably won't be much resistance to the crazy law there. If they pass a similar law in the community of Madrid, I could definitely see some serious riots happening.

Lots of protests yes, but the only ones i saw in my city when i was there were vegans, feminists and leftists. One small protest from elderly in barcelona to asking for better pension payments ( is that leftist too ?, i dont know )
 

zetts

Pigeon
I'm pretty sure there would be riots in Germany if they tried that
l honestly don't understand where you get that from. There would be a few thousand people demonstrating and 10s of millions of people snarkily making fun of them while sitting at home doing whatever they've been doing the past 12 months. Look at the state of Germany honestly.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
Do you have any info on muslim countries ?, seems those places are going under the radar in terms of what the lockdowns are like or if the population submits or not. Except for dubai I haven't seen anything



Lots of protests yes, but the only ones i saw in my city when i was there were vegans, feminists and leftists. One small protest from elderly in barcelona to asking for better pension payments ( is that leftist too ?, i dont know )
Well, in Qatar strict measures were applied but that happens because 70% of the population is immigrants that can't get citizenship.

No idea what is happening in north Africa .
 

Mountaineer

Pelican
Gold Member
Update from Spain regarding the Galicia region. So it seems, much to my surprise, it's the PP (the purported 'conservatives') in Galicia who are pushing for obligatory inoculations:


Here's the translation of the key passage in the article, the rest is just linguistic mumbo jumbo and legalese:




Now just based on personal experience I seriously doubt these statistics that eight out of ten Spaniards would be eager to get jabbed. Keep in mind that El País is a notorious leftist propaganda outlet, and any stats they peddle are probably heavily manipulated to serve their communist agenda.

My guess would be somewhere around half of the population would get the jab. It's not that Spaniards are more gullible than the rest of the Europeans or Americans but the main problem here is that the entire media landscape is heavily leaning toward the extreme left. The transformation you are seeing in the U.S. right now is what has been in place here in Spain for the past decade or more. From the top of my head I would not be able to point you toward a single major conservative news outlet or TV channel. Sure there are small dissident sites and VOX is gradually building a following but access to alternative Spanish language information is little to none.

At least judging by the article it seems that the PP may be able to pass this bill in Galicia which effectively would make it statewide law. Scary indeed and IMO a direct affront to basic human rights. Of course there will be attempts to sue them in court but you know how that goes. You'll be lucky if you get a court date five years from now and by then you may already be dead or physically disabled from the long term side effects of this experimental gene therapy.

This is particularly worrisome for me personally as I will require surgery next month and I am already forced to pass a PCR test prior to the operation. I am stating to wonder how long it'll take until they'll refuse you unless you agree to be inoculated. It's a slippery slope and we seem to be picking up steam.

Post surgery and assuming everything works out as planned (God willing) I am very much looking forward to leaving Spain, even only for a few years. Where to go however is another question.
It looks bleak but E. Michael Jones would probably point out that it's a proof that the propaganda is failing if they have to fine and mandate people into taking this gene therapy, especially so early in the game.
 
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UK RVFers...

If you were currently outside the UK (as I am) what would entice you back at the moment, with the risk of flights grounding, vaccine 'passports' and all that bulls[earmuffs]?

Pretty negative, so I apologize... but I'll miss a big opportunity if I don't go back to the UK next month, but I don't want to get mousetrapped and find myself in some quarantine internment facility in a decade.

I once had motivations to move to another country and from 2017 decided to stay in the UK for family, cultural and religious reasons. If I were in that other country, even with the circumstances happening here right now and the lockstep agenda with the trojan coof, I would come back for those three reasons. For me, I see no escape from this plan. I'd rather resist in my homeland than in another where I may or may not truly belong.

Is this opportunity life changing/essential?
 
I once had motivations to move to another country and from 2017 decided to stay in the UK for family, cultural and religious reasons. If I were in that other country, even with the circumstances happening here right now and the lockstep agenda with the trojan coof, I would come back for those three reasons. For me, I see no escape from this plan. I'd rather resist in my homeland than in another where I may or may not truly belong.

Is this opportunity life changing/essential?

Potentially yes, I'ts a very good opportunity to break into a lucrative business with a big leg up (property development).

What I'm thinking though is that I could find some land/property in a country that isn't so far gone (e.g Serbia/Estonia) and make a start there, with an even bigger capital advantage, and possibly side-step some tax issues whilst I'm at it.
 
Potentially yes, I'ts a very good opportunity to break into a lucrative business with a big leg up (property development).

I couldn't offer any advice on that unfortunately, not my forte. Maybe someone else can here.

Just wanted to say that we will all one day have a line to draw or path to follow with how the plan is going. If it works out if you come back to the UK, good luck.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Gold Member
...and Spain is one of the few monarchies of Europe, so not sure that that does any good.

If it works out tomorrow, I will post again. If it is a mild failure will also post. If I don't write anything in this thread for many days then it means it was a miserable disaster which I am keeping to myself until the pain of it passes.
I'm sorry to report that this time, my plan has failed, although there was not really any distress or trauma in it. I crossed one border as if it wasn't even there and then got stopped at the next one even though I had almost everything they needed. Is not a cheap experience, and there were a number of other passengers releasing their fury and distress at the police and employees, and one policeman let it rip in a small way as well. I did put some effort into getting them what they needed but was not in the mood to get fired up about it. So my plan A looks like it's off the cards for now. Actually even my plan B is sort of gone as a flight cancelled itself. It's a bother, and this travel was part business part pleasure. I have another plan which is not that bad either, will try and put it in motion tomorrow but this is still a bit of a downer.

Blind freddy could see that this has motivations which go well beyond protecting public health. I had two negative covid tests this week, one quick test, one full PCR, have no symptoms and wear a mask at least when in transit like this and in fear of border police. That should be enough, but they just have to use the opportunity to indulge in a bit of fascism. Actually, all officials I have encountered today were pleasant enough, so really, the conspiracy comes from higher up and many of those in the system are just doing a job.

l honestly don't understand where you get that from. There would be a few thousand people demonstrating and 10s of millions of people snarkily making fun of them while sitting at home doing whatever they've been doing the past 12 months. Look at the state of Germany honestly.
I was reading something on the forum a few days ago that people were posting about the biology and statistics of covid. I just wanted to type one word socialism. As @zetts writes, "snarkily making fun of them while sitting at home doing whatever they've been doing the past 12 months".

A friend of mine was telling me that in his country, most of his employees don't want to have to come back to work, they like to be able to work from home. Not enough people value freedom, fear its loss or want to fight for it.

The socialist likes it when everything burns, and plans of productive people, businesses are burning because of this. It is a disincentive to attempt big plans, be productive, go to the gym when TPTB shit on it in this way.

I wonder if there are any lurkers who are smiling at the thought that the socialist revolution they always wanted now almost feels tangible.
 

r3d

Sparrow
l honestly don't understand where you get that from. There would be a few thousand people demonstrating and 10s of millions of people snarkily making fun of them while sitting at home doing whatever they've been doing the past 12 months. Look at the state of Germany honestly.

I actually thought about editing that post after I had written it. I think you're right, there was a bit too much wishful thinking involved on my part. I don't have much contact with normies so it's easy to think resistance is bigger than it actually is.

But it's not all doom and gloom either. We have some very good people fighting in the courts. Even though they can't overturn the actions that are already taken (lockdowns etc.), I'm quite hopeful their resistance will be strong enough to avoid mandatory vaccination.

As long as they cannot physically force me to do it I will find a way to live.
 

britguy88

Pigeon
Why is there nothing in the international press about Galicia and the forced vaccinations? This would be huge news anywhere as it could happen in other countries?

Not denying that the Gov there haven't passed this law but don't understand why broadcasters from outside Spain hasn't jumped all over this headline news!

I really like Spain and considered residency there instead of Portugal, but it's way too far down the communist path now and their strict lockdown last year when you were not even allowed out to exercise really put me off.

The Spanish need to stand up against this BS and grow some!
 

Krieger_07

Sparrow
Why is there nothing in the international press about Galicia and the forced vaccinations? This would be huge news anywhere as it could happen in other countries?

Not denying that the Gov there haven't passed this law but don't understand why broadcasters from outside Spain hasn't jumped all over this headline news!

I really like Spain and considered residency there instead of Portugal, but it's way too far down the communist path now and their strict lockdown last year when you were not even allowed out to exercise really put me off.

The Spanish need to stand up against this BS and grow some!

It's strange but not surprising at all. Even in the Hispanic world, the news from Galicia weren't widely broadcast in the mainstream media, for instance I got wind of the situation there via Telegram and a few dissident websites. That's it. There is an information blackout on the most important news these days when it comes to the mass media.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
1. Utter loss of christian faith in Spain replacement with faith in the State. You'd be lucky (from my experience, might be wrong) to find 10 thousand young devote men and women in ALL Spain. I mean, devote people, not merely churchgoers or parade goers in "Semana Santa" (Easter) or in the several days dedicated to saints. I mean devoted people, to the point that they have preserved their faith in God and rejected the last 5 anti-popes as the heretics they were/are.
Then spain really changed a lot.
10 years ago you'd drive an hour away from madrid and it was hard to get condoms and impossible to get a morning after pill.
Not logistically, but people would not sell them to you - if you have sex it's to get kids, period.
 

Elmore

Kingfisher
I reckon blackmarket vax passes will be real hard to get. They've already rolled out a 'trial' digital vax passport for Estonia. The go is you have to get your poison from a licenced dealer... so not just any doctor. And it's a fair bet the consequences for the licenced doc taking bribes will be severe, plus maybe they'll mandate an observer, cameras in the room etc.

So I want to get somewhere cheap and corrupt, where I can grease locals to turn a blind eye, and I want to be somewhere I'd want to stay long term, as travels gonna be out (probably).

If I can bribe the source, great, but I'm planning for the worst.

So Serbia wins?


That's a really good point.

Surely it will be possible to go to a source that squirts the thing in the sink, then signs you up.

For a nice fee obviously.

Don't know why i never really considered that before.

If that's what you're after, then sure as oats Ukraine would be the place to get one...
 
Then spain really changed a lot.
10 years ago you'd drive an hour away from madrid and it was hard to get condoms and impossible to get a morning after pill.
Not logistically, but people would not sell them to you - if you have sex it's to get kids, period.

Let me answer it this way. My apartment is very close to a national monument that received a lot of tours doing the heydays of mass tourism. A good aspect of that were school classes of all ages which visited those monuments during their annual excursions. I've seen literally hundreds of these class tours pass my house and almost every single time the teachers leading the class were hippy looking feminist or other mueslis with a clear leftist disposition (e.g. donning dreadlocks or rainbow insignia).

The educational system in Spain has literally been taken over by the extreme far left, especially since the PSOE took over. Which means that the newer generation is comprised of ganja smoking future socialists who have been taught to think collectively and to not offend anyone. The old Spain still exists (i.e. anyone over 40) but it's increasingly on the way out. Just like the America of the 20th century the Spain of the 20th century is quickly disappearing. It's a sad story and frankly I'm glad having experienced some of the authentic Spain while it was still possible. But soon it's probably time to move on.
 

Krieger_07

Sparrow
Let me answer it this way. My apartment is very close to a national monument that received a lot of tours doing the heydays of mass tourism. A good aspect of that were school classes of all ages which visited those monuments during their annual excursions. I've seen literally hundreds of these class tours pass my house and almost every single time the teachers leading the class were hippy looking feminist or other mueslis with a clear leftist disposition (e.g. donning dreadlocks or rainbow insignia).

The educational system in Spain has literally been taken over by the extreme far left, especially since the PSOE took over. Which means that the newer generation is comprised of ganja smoking future socialists who have been taught to think collectively and to not offend anyone. The old Spain still exists (i.e. anyone over 40) but it's increasingly on the way out. Just like the America of the 20th century the Spain of the 20th century is quickly disappearing. It's a sad story and frankly I'm glad having experienced some of the authentic Spain while it was still possible. But soon it's probably time to move on.

You are right. In 2010 there still was something of the old Spain but it was like a corpse of beautiful woman, it was beautiful at a distance, but once you come close to admire her beauty you can pick up the stench already. The old generations were already contaminated and if they were Christian, most were only paying lip service or cultural Christians, not devoted people who could transmit the faith to the newer generations, let alone fight for it against the State. The rot was there long before the millennial and generation Z hippies and "mueslis" entered the stage. Only when you check the birthrates you realize the sad reality. Since the fall of the Franco regime, everything started going down the drain; gaining momentum with Spain's entrance in the EU. But at least Spain could finance a a first rate high speed rail (the "AVE") and a few other goodies...
 

Krieger_07

Sparrow
Then spain really changed a lot.
10 years ago you'd drive an hour away from madrid and it was hard to get condoms and impossible to get a morning after pill.
Not logistically, but people would not sell them to you - if you have sex it's to get kids, period.

Interesting. But check the birthrates, they were in free fall since the mid eighties and abortion has been the law of the land for decades. Draw your own conclusions...
 
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