Escape From 'The New Normal'?

[zetts]

So I am hoping Mexico is an option or somewhere else in Central America. I have given up on Southeast Asia which would be my usual winter escape.

Mexico definitely still IS an option. I myself am still in Playa del carmen and live a normal mask free life without any hassle. I'm gonna leave though, just because the culture and lifestyle isnt really my cup of tea. I think I'll try Vietnam, just not that easy getting in to. Are gyms and bars open in Vietnam, anyone there right now?

 

[Mountaineer]

This is how one can enter Guatemala from Mexico now.

 

[greenwolf]

The only place in SEA that looks possible would be Vietnam. Are you not interested in that one?

No, its a communist hole, paired with xenophobia and lack of long term visa and culture of ownership. If you are single, however, you can have the time of your life there for cheap. I for myself will not return there even though I have friends on the ground.

 

[zetts]

No, its a communist hole, paired with xenophobia and lack of long term visa and culture of ownership. If you are single, however, you can have the time of your life there for cheap. I for myself will not return there even though I have friends on the ground.

What's communist about it? Particularly in HCMC it didn't feel like that at all but I'm curious to hear your opinion.

 

[Tippy]

No, its a communist hole, paired with xenophobia and lack of long term visa and culture of ownership. If you are single, however, you can have the time of your life there for cheap. I for myself will not return there even though I have friends on the ground.

What's good about it if you are single?

Why wouldn't you go back there?

 

[britguy88]

My best friend is in Vietnam and she has been there since before the pandemic. She teaches English online and is generally loving life there because she has only had to endure 6 weeks of lockdown total when she was caught out in Da Nang.

They have a zero covid policy and will not be opening their borders to anyone soon, let alone Europeans! The only way in is as a foreign expert, but I don't want to work there and have two weeks quarantine and numerous invasive rods stuck up my nose.

Vietnam doesn't mess around when it comes to locking down and this leaves my friend somewhat uneasy, particularly with Cambodia and Thailand now seeing lots of cases.

On balance, I would rather go west.

 

[Mountaineer]

They have a zero covid policy and will not be opening their borders to anyone soon, let alone Europeans! The only way in is as a foreign expert, but I don't want to work there and have two weeks quarantine and numerous invasive rods stuck up my nose.

Vietnam doesn't mess around when it comes to locking down and this leaves my friend somewhat uneasy, particularly with Cambodia and Thailand now seeing lots of cases.

This does not bode well for the future. For this reason alone I would not go. You have to go to a country that is incompetent enough and where people generally DGAF.

 

[SpeekTruth]

Writing this from my new apartment in Panama, I think there's a great lesson in the Mennonite story. There's no perfect places, there's just the best place for you (right now). And even when you find the perfect place, you'll prefer to have a backup plan for when that inevitably has problems / risks change.

 

[Gusamaso]

Portugal has only been in national lockdown since mid January, not 6 months and it's now opened up except for a few municipalities. Not saying all is great here, but where I live the rules have not been strictly enforced and I rarely see any police or enforcement.

Beaches have been open all the time with people sunbathing despite stay at home message. No one seems to care, which has helped!

Has still sucked though and I am in no doubt there will be lockdowns returning this winter, right across Europe, particularly as the vaxx take up won't be as high as they want.

So I am hoping Mexico is an option or somewhere else in Central America. I have given up on Southeast Asia which would be my usual winter escape.

"Only" 3 months, then. It's never gonna stop, sadly. Variants, lockdowns, vaccines and so on and so forth. I bought a property in Setúbal march last year in hopes of moving there when my WAH got approved. Now I have no clue when I'll be able to go. No one is really accepting brazilians worldwide, besides it's rented til the end of the year.

 

[Easy_C]

One thought:

The only way this whole “new normal” works is if there actually is nowhere to flee to. Otherwise everyone with means and this entire “digital economy” they’re trying to push flees to those places.

Part of that is just what they want you to believe and there’s still plenty of places more normal than the US as is evidence from the posters here. The other part of that is that they will try to make sure there actually isn’t anywhere to run, but their ability to do so is questionable when these days China is an ally that can out-bid the USA, has a better track record of not “spreading democracy” to their allies, and doesn’t require it to legalize woke LGBT things in order to get the help.

 

[aeroektar]

The state department is about to put 80% of countries on it's do not travel list. https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...-state-department-travel-warnings/7295408002/

I don't think this means you won't be able to go to these countries, you're just being advised not to go, someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that (there must be countries on that list currently that you can go to).

They definitely don't want people traveling internationally.

 

[greenwolf]

What's good about it if you are single?

Why wouldn't you go back there?

Girls. A big big pond to find a wife or gf who will love you. (to what is possible in asia).

It is a communist hole and they care about this health hoax besides eating on roads full of rubbish and rats.

 

[greenwolf]

What's communist about it? Particularly in HCMC it didn't feel like that at all but I'm curious to hear your opinion.

I lived in hcmc for a about a year. It has this somewhat nice overlay.
but beneath it is still the communist grip on visa policy, long term planning, welcoming of foreign investment, ownership of anything in particular.
This makes the place highly corrupt.
The hidden xenophobia adds also to the mix.

Pls let me know how well you can own your house and have a long term visa, let alone a permanent residency?
Very typical for communist holes they will welcome the big billy boy pharma guy but not your fella with a few 100k to drop.
Then I revise my view about it and move there again.

 

[Tippy]

Girls. A big big pond to find a wife or gf who will love you. (to what is possible in asia).

It is a communist hole and they care about this health hoax besides eating on roads full of rubbish and rats.

Why do you think that's impossible in Asia?

I know a little bit from Japan but just wondering what you think.

I'm not sure if uprooting your life for an easier dating scene is really worth it, is it?

With women you just need one who is okay. All it takes is one out of millions. Has to statistically be possible even in the hellish West.

I feel like in Asia you have more options and are more popular but is still just as hard to find marriage material.

 

[greenwolf]

Why do you think that's impossible in Asia?

I know a little bit from Japan but just wondering what you think.

I'm not sure if uprooting your life for an easier dating scene is really worth it, is it?

With women you just need one who is okay. All it takes is one out of millions. Has to statistically be possible even in the hellish West.

I feel like in Asia you have more options and are more popular but is still just as hard to find marriage material.

Well love in asia has a large utility component, that does not necessarily mean to be bad it depends on ones outlook.
Yes, it is hard to find marriage material as you need to weed out the gringo / gaijin hunter types, which can be done once you have mastered the culture.
You can have an equally nice dating scene in Africa, actually a much better one and mutual understanding is also easier. It is easy to find those who do not like the western cultures.

The west is poisoned by woke lgbt+yxzhdc, medical tyranny, anti white/anti tradition, anti-xyz, feminism so its pretty hard to find sane people.
Asia is just hell bent on this great reset plan crap so it is obviously not for me any more.

 

[Tippy]

Well love in asia has a large utility component, that does not necessarily mean to be bad it depends on ones outlook.
Yes, it is hard to find marriage material as you need to weed out the gringo / gaijin hunter types, which can be done once you have mastered the culture.
You can have an equally nice dating scene in Africa, actually a much better one and mutual understanding is also easier. It is easy to find those who do not like the western cultures.

The west is poisoned by woke lgbt+yxzhdc, medical tyranny, anti white/anti tradition, anti-xyz, feminism so its pretty hard to find sane people.
Asia is just hell bent on this great reset plan crap so it is obviously not for me any more.

Yeah I hear ya. Thing is, the marriage material types in Japan (the traditional ones) are not likely to be interested in a gaijin. Most of the dudes I knew in Japan married to Japanese women were basically married to Japanese who had given themselves a personality transplant to be either an American or British stereotype. And the dudes were accepting enough since attractiveness wise they are higher quality to girls back home. Plus personality wise, they are still Japanese no matter how much they might try to act like they aren't. So it's still an okay deal.

I was in Tokyo which for me was basically like any major city, lots of flaking, most people super busy with work, high levels of neuroticism. I don't know, you might meet someone but I didn't. But who knows if that was me and my own immoral yearnings for sexual gratification over something deeper.

 

[Lennysrabbit]

Anyone know what's happening on the ground in Serbia?

I'm assuming the 1 week lockdown is still going on?

Looks like restrictions have eased there...

 

[El Draque]

One thought:

The only way this whole “new normal” works is if there actually is nowhere to flee to. Otherwise everyone with means and this entire “digital economy” they’re trying to push flees to those places.

Part of that is just what they want you to believe and there’s still plenty of places more normal than the US as is evidence from the posters here. The other part of that is that they will try to make sure there actually isn’t anywhere to run, but their ability to do so is questionable when these days China is an ally that can out-bid the USA, has a better track record of not “spreading democracy” to their allies, and doesn’t require it to legalize woke LGBT things in order to get the help.

It's a tiny fraction of the population that will up sticks & leave due to social changes like these.

While I agree that this is a global project, therefore global "normalisation" is the goal, I dont think they really care on principle if scattered Digital Nomads scurry off to the far edges of it all.

It's insignificant in the grand scheme of things, certainly where they are currently, which is still a relatively early stage of operations.

 

[Lennysrabbit]

The state department is about to put 80% of countries on it's do not travel list. https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...-state-department-travel-warnings/7295408002/

I don't think this means you won't be able to go to these countries, you're just being advised not to go, someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that (there must be countries on that list currently that you can go to).

They definitely don't want people traveling internationally.

Well, it is May.

It's a tiny fraction of the population that will up sticks & leave due to social changes like these.

While I agree that this is a global project, therefore global "normalisation" is the goal, I dont think they really care on principle if scattered Digital Nomads scurry off to the far edges of it all.

It's insignificant in the grand scheme of things, certainly where they are currently, which is still a relatively early stage of operations.

My fear is that they'd frustrate online payments/transfers, and then it'll be difficult to do that.

 

[Mountaineer]

Asia is just hell bent on this great reset plan crap so it is obviously not for me any more.

Most of Asia is Buddhist i.e. Satan & demon worship basically. It's no wonder why they are going head first into Satan's New World.