Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming

debeguiled said:
End Times are a derail of Christianity.

Jesus said that no one knows the time or the place, and he has also said, it might be tonight.

The point is,

1. Don't dwell on it or make predictions.
2. On the other hand, live as if it were just around the corner.

Upshot:

1. People don't waste their time in vain speculation.
2. People don't waste their time, period.


This stuff is like a break from the hard work of Christianity.

Some fun time to bat ideas back and forth.

The Book of Revelation is Harry Potter for Christians.

You really hit the nail on the head here man. LARPing about when the end times are going to come is probably the most protestant hobby out there. Jesus did say that no man will expect it when it comes.

Imagine what people thought when the Nazis blazed across Europe and Japan controlled 2/3 of the Pacific. WW2 was such a horrific event and even then the world kept careening on. I bet people were muttering about the end of the world then. [/b]

Live as if it were just around the corner

Donate to a charity you like or take some time for a contemplative prayer. You will feel better afterwords too.
 
Roosh said:
This propaganda has been ramping up in the past couple of years. The US Government is allowing pilots to share their "close sightings" with UFOs to media reporters. They are not declassifying things out of kindness. It has psyop written all over it.

Astute point. Totally tied to the next point, something people who study archetypes and liminal borders/boundaries realize ... aliens are the manifestation in the archetypal mind of chaos (demons)


Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.

I don't know about the techniques precisely as you state, but I have no doubt this has been, and likely is still attempted. People don't take Alex Jones seriously for a lot of reasons, but it is foolish to not pay attention to his mode of communication, care should be taken however to the very details/specifics he employs, because usually they are too focused and far fetched. His examples as metaphors, though, are spot on.

Roosh, you seem to know about the Nephilim so you will understand also that this is not new, that the 2nd temple jews and other ancients of the time were very aware that many "rulers" were also in fact influenced (counseled) by spiritual beings who gave them ideas for technology and innovation to change their interaction with the physical elements. Even more curious is that Gilgamesh is listed as one of the Giants in the book of Giants, part of the dead sea scrolls.

As St. Paul said and knew, all of the other gods apart from the one true God were demons. Yes, they are still around to this day. Progressivism in itself is anti-christ (puts itself in the place of Christ) and globalism, to anyone who is paying attention, is quite clearly and intentionallly chaotic via many factors, but through the (sadly, desired) demonic hardening of the human heart, usually employing that "progressive" model which focuses on technology and egalitarianism.
 
Kid Twist said:
Roosh said:
This propaganda has been ramping up in the past couple of years. The US Government is allowing pilots to share their "close sightings" with UFOs to media reporters. They are not declassifying things out of kindness. It has psyop written all over it.

Astute point. Totally tied to the next point, something people who study archetypes and liminal borders/boundaries realize ... aliens are the manifestation in the archetypal mind of chaos (demons)


Now I want to mention a theory, something I can't possibly verify. I believe that many world governments do experiments with psychedelics to explore other dimensions. They have figured out the right dosage and mix of drugs to create encounters with "advanced" beings who then give them instructions for ways at world domination (high technology). Alex Jones talked about this in his last podcast with Joe Rogan, and how when we do what the beings instruct, things work. If this is true, those beings must be demons. In other words, it's very possible that this "world system" of "globalization" is not just Satanic in spirit, but also in formulation.

I don't know about the techniques precisely as you state, but I have no doubt this has been, and likely is still attempted. People don't take Alex Jones seriously for a lot of reasons, but it is foolish to not pay attention to his mode of communication, care should be taken however to the very details/specifics he employs, because usually they are too focused and far fetched. His examples as metaphors, though, are spot on.

Roosh, you seem to know about the Nephilim so you will understand also that this is not new, that the 2nd temple jews and other ancients of the time were very aware that many "rulers" were also in fact influenced (counseled) by spiritual beings who gave them ideas for technology and innovation to change their interaction with the physical elements. Even more curious is that Gilgamesh is listed as one of the Giants in the book of Giants, part of the dead sea scrolls.

As St. Paul said and knew, all of the other gods apart from the one true God were demons. Yes, they are still around to this day. Progressivism in itself is anti-christ (puts itself in the place of Christ) and globalism, to anyone who is paying attention, is quite clearly and intentionallly chaotic via many factors, but through the (sadly, desired) demonic hardening of the human heart, usually employing that "progressive" model which focuses on technology and egalitarianism.

I haven't heard any discussion here about the book of Enoch, but this delves greatly into the Nephilim, their bloodlines, their nature, and how they were wiped out by the Flood because they were literally corrupting God's seed. Antediluvian times were riddled with all kinds of monsters and abominations. Afterwards, all things unnatural were no longer in the physical existence on earth (whether earth is a planet, a honeycomb, a flat plane, a sphere, we really don't know for sure). The only evil thing existing since that time is mankind's sinful nature, and their ability to summon and communicate and make pacts with demons (in another dimension, not the physical plane).

Uninformed theorists often associate the Nephilim with the Annunaki, Planet X, Nibiru, or some other cosmological crap, but the truth is they were just corrupted genetic experiments of the fallen ones. Similar to how fallen humans (atheists, globalists, satanists, zionists, etc) are doing everything they can to corrupt the human genome, to learn it so they can replicate it and twist it to whatever political purposes they desire. No one can play God, because good and evil are two very different things.

God is ultimate, boundless, immeasurable, and is the only entity that can create life. All biological replication through reproduction or cellular division is the method to which he laid out for life to persist.

Evil on the other hand, cannot create, but only usurp, corrupt, only manipulate existing forms of life. This is why they cannot create life with their faggotry, or why nothing beautiful ever comes out of modern (satanic) art, architecture, whatever.

Do you think we shall see the Nephilim again in the coming days? I remember reading about the 12-foot plus skeletons found in Norway and other dig sites that were hushed up because they couldn't explain this to common people. I suppose there are a great many more things buried that show the insane past our world once had but are also being suppressed, some things we may never know.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
debeguiled said:
End Times are a derail of Christianity.

Jesus said that no one knows the time or the place, and he has also said, it might be tonight.

The point is,

1. Don't dwell on it or make predictions.
2. On the other hand, live as if it were just around the corner.

Upshot:

1. People don't waste their time in vain speculation.
2. People don't waste their time, period.

This stuff is like a break from the hard work of Christianity.

Some fun time to bat ideas back and forth.

The Book of Revelation is Harry Potter for Christians.

Yes it's quite a rabbit hole (as this thread proves), though rather fascinating. If studying eschatology doesn't bring you closer to God, or deepen your faith in respect to the trials you are sure to face as a Christian, the study is not worth continuing.

For me, it makes me realize that things have the potential to get much worse than today, but not to despair and keep the faith. This world is controlled by Satan and evil will not be eliminated in present humankind, and any "good" that comes forth before the Second Coming is likely to be temporary.
 

Sosa

Woodpecker
Yes it's quite a rabbit hole (as this thread proves), though rather fascinating. If studying eschatology doesn't bring you closer to God, or deepen your faith in respect to the trials you are sure to face as a Christian, the study is not worth continuing.

For me, it makes me realize that things have the potential to get much worse than today, but not to despair and keep the faith. This world is controlled by Satan and evil will not be eliminated in present humankind, and any "good" that comes forth before the Second Coming is likely to be temporary.

Exactly! I've been studying this almost daily for over a decade as the Bible is a complex and intensive read. When you first convert you begin to seek more and more understanding spiritually. Reading the Bible, researching, praying, asking questions, etc. You humble yourself and try to soak up all the information you can because it's such a powerful and fascinating message, knowing that now your knowledge is limited with hopes of growing.

1 Peter 2-3

2 Like newborn babies, you must crave pure spiritual milk so that you will grow into a full experience of salvation. 3 Cry out for this nourishment, now that you have had a taste of the Lord’s kindness.

What Roosh is going through now, I experienced when I was in college almost 10 years ago. I came to Christ after a severe car crash in which I knew I had no business surviving. I fell asleep at the wheel on the highway. Anyway this near death experience had me questioning where I would go if I died - I remember locking my self in my apartment and reading the Bible front to back multiple times over in just a few weeks. It was a powerful urge I could not resist. After reading back then, I distinctly remember the Book of Romans being my absolute favorite book that touched me personally, but could never figure out why until recently.

I'm convinced everyone is at different stages in their spiritual journey and the best you can do is try to have a personal relationship with Christ, pray to him, and ask him for understanding about about Eschatology. Everyone has their theories, but if you're a believer you should have confidence that this story has a happy ending, which has brought me in indescribable peace of soul & mind - no matter how bad things get and what troubles I might have to endure. So while this is a topic of interest to me - I rarely think of it these days, avoid watching the news, and try to live a peaceful life. Thinking of the end times and all the terrible things to come can cause you anxiety.

Personally, my "wow" moment and when everything clicked for me when understanding the end times & eschatology was understanding the audiences in which each of the books was intended for. This is extremely important. Before you read each book I urge you to determine whom the author of each book is writing to - it clearly states this at the beginning of each book. Then ask yourself " Is he writing this to me? ". The biggest hurdle I had to overcome was to acknowledge not everything in the Bible was written specifically for me.

When I grasped this concept the End times, the Great Tribulation, and Christ's second coming ( Especially the 7 Churches of Revelation 2 & 3 who are judged by their works - " I know thy works ....." - and being forewarned of time of judgement and persecution) start making much more sense. The following scriptures is what opened my eyes on rightly dividing the the Bible. This topic is of great interest to me, so if anyone has a rebuttal please chime in.

Matthew 15:24
Then Jesus said to the woman,  “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”

Romans 15:8
8 Remember that Christ came as a servant to the Jews to show that God is true to the promises he made to their ancestors. 9 He also came so that the Gentiles might give glory to God for his mercies to them.

Galations 2:7-9
Instead, they saw that God had given me the responsibility of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he had given Peter the responsibility of preaching to the Jews. 8 For the same God who worked through Peter as the apostle to the Jews also worked through me as the apostle to the Gentiles.

Lastly, I will leave you with this. You know what happens when you remove the 13 books of Romans – Philemon in the Bible? All the books that Paul wrote? There is no salvation by grace through faith apart from the works of the law. None. It does not exist.

All the other books in the Bible is of History, Prophecy, and instructions to the nation of Israel.
Which preaches faith + keeping the law – but unfortunately God has a hard time getting the Jews to follow him as seen time and time again throughout the Old Testament.

Of course this is simply the conclusion I came to. I encourage you to use discernment and research all of this to come to your own.
 

Soothesayer

Woodpecker
Just my two cents here but, I've always believed that if one takes the Mark then he or she not only ceases to be human but is unable to exercise free will like a human being does. In short, you are possessed by a force greater than yourself. You cannot worship God freely. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot refuse any command to kill someone (beheading) who does not bear the Mark of the Beast (or rat them out to the authorities).

Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

There may be an option for some however to 'sever the Mark' by cutting off their right hand.

Matthew 5:30: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be condemned into hell."

Not really a metaphor anymore, is it?
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Soothesayer said:
Just my two cents here but, I've always believed that if one takes the Mark then he or she not only ceases to be human but is unable to exercise free will like a human being does. In short, you are possessed by a force greater than yourself. You cannot worship God freely. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot refuse any command to kill someone (beheading) who does not bear the Mark of the Beast (or rat them out to the authorities).

Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

There may be an option for some however to 'sever the Mark' by cutting off their right hand.

Matthew 5:30: "And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be condemned into hell."

Not really a metaphor anymore, is it?

Soothsayer, this is an interesting interpretation and I find it very likely. However, i caution you to taking bible quotes out of context to make a point. Matthew 5:30 has a lot more going on and wouldn't make sense if you included the whole section in your explanation of the mark of the beast.

Now, I think you are onto something where death will escape those who try to kill themselves with the mark of the beast. Maybe a special implant that prevents those from dying by capturing the soul in this world . Think like the book series altered carbon.
 

Helaman

Pigeon
There are seven colors in the rainbow. The seven colors correspond to the seven days of creation, and the rainbow is therefore a fitting symbol of God's promise to Noah that He would never again wipe out the earth. It was a kind of new creation. Seven is a symbol of divine completeness, and there are seven dispensations in the history of the earth.

The gay rainbow flag has only 6 colors.

https://www.tblfaithnews.com/faith-religion/the-battle-over-the-rainbow

At first they made the gay flag 8 colors, as if there is an "extra" color that they invented. The eighth added color was pink which represented "sex." Sex, of course, was something they separated from "gender" and manipulated our language to refer to sexual intercourse rather than "male sex" and "female sex." They wanted to make a third gender, or more. Mankind's prideful notion that we can create beyond what God created, that we are above following His commandments. Well, since then, they have reduced the flag to 6 colors. Six has been an important number embedded in the rainbow flag, with six rings making up the "freedom ring" which is another symbol they use.

To repeat something three times makes it an established pattern, and permanent like the godhead. And again, the whole thing is about three or more genders rather than the two sexes which God established... Three and six. There is a bunch more symbolism tying 3 and 6 together with the rainbow flag:

- Harvey Milk requested Gilbert Baker to come up with a gay symbol after knowing him for three years, resulting in the rainbow flag.
- Paramount Flag Co. originally sold the flag, and Baker asked them to divide the flag in half for display on San Francisco's lamp posts. They put 3 stripes on one side of the post and 3 stripes on the other. https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/qq-rb_h.html
- At Harvey Milk's funeral, 3 colors were displayed on one side of the street and 3 colors on the other side.
http://www.gayprideneworleans.com/articles/002.htm
At the unveiling of the Harvey Milk memorial, they used a large rainbow flag with only 3 colors: https://www.whitecraneinstitute.org.../6a00d8345161a069e200e552d635158834-800wi.jpg
- The Supreme Court established gay marriage in America on the six year of Obama's reign, on the sixth month of the year, on the sixth day of the week.
 

Uzisuicide

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I think half of the people on my facebook friends list would line up around the block to receive the mark of the beast. Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute has an interesting take on eschatology. He claims that the Tribulation has already happened under the Roman Emperor Nero and that 666 as the mark of the beast is clearly a reference to Nero. But we're still awaiting the second coming of Christ.
The Churches I've attended teach that the rapture will occur before the tribulation but this doctrine is more recent like 100 years or so in the Protestant Church. The doctrine of a post tribulation rapture is making somewhat of a comeback.

The societal lines are clearly drawn. While conservative groups are most likely more religious. Leftist groups like antifa, weather underground and code pink are eagerly awaiting the coming of the anti-christ. They are the blinded legions who are satan's foot soldiers in the spiritual war being fought all around us. You can check out Hanegraaff's radio and podcast "The Bible Answer Man"
at www.equip.org
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Uzisuicide said:
The Churches I've attended teach that the rapture will occur before the tribulation but this doctrine is more recent like 100 years or so in the Protestant Church. The doctrine of a post tribulation rapture is making somewhat of a comeback.

This is the biggest disservice that mainline American protestant groups have done to their congregations and will lead more into the arms of the beast.

Everything you've said is true and it needs to be beaten out of mainline thinking. There is absolutely no theological basis for this. It came about during the 2nd and 3rd "Great Awakenings" of the 18th century which is also when Mormonism and Christian Science came about.

Believe it at ones peril.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I like to think about different theories on the End Times though when someone asks if I truly believe in them, I just reply with "If even Jesus doesn't know the time, then how would I know?"

The one thing I will say is that the conditions for the End Times to take place haven't been in place until recently. I'm not speaking about the amount of sin or wickedness in the world but rather globalization.

In the past, if there was a major plague or disaster in a place the ill effects would be limited to the locality rather than global. There was no way for a world government/empire to rule all over the world due to limits in communications and travel. There was no weapons that could destroy the entire world. It's only in the last few decades that where the effects of whatever we do can be spread all around the Earth. Globalization is what allows for all of this.

Same with all the talk about the mark of the beast in the thread above. It's only in recent times that there will be a way to mark people in a way where they'll only be able to conduct commerce if they have the mark, whatever that mark may be.

I'm wary of any attempts to prove the exact time these events are supposed to take place, but I do believe it's only in this current era where it would happen.
 

Rigsby

Pelican
Gold Member
Well, the mark of the beast: No man shall buy or trade...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=No+man+shall+buy+or+trade


I've posted about this before. It's nearly a year now, my problems have not been resolved.

Basically, my bank has financially crippled me. They will not allow me to enter in to the marketplace most of you take for granted, unless I jump through certain hoops. Unless I allow myself to be marked with the number of the beast. It's voluntary for now whilst making my life a misery. But soon it will be compulsory.

I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

It doesn't matter if you are not at home and can not get a phone call to your landline. It does not matter if you do not have a mobile.

You will be cut out like a cancer from the economic system. You will buy from home or you will provide a mobile with your exact location.

Several times I tried to buy stuff from my folks' house. In the middle of the night. Like fuck I was going to give their house number to wake up a dying man. I don't have a mobile. This is almost illegal now.

I totally lost the plot today, I'l be the first to admit it. I let go a tirade of verbal abuse so bad, so ferocious, that it would get me an instaban here now to repeat it. It also was enough to get me locked up should they choose to prosecute. I held nothing back. It was savage.

I've been feeling bad about it all day. I feel bad that I upset someone that didn't deserve my verbal abuse. But sometimes, you just snap. Today was such a day.

An hour later, as usual, they reset my fraud block and I could buy my product. This has had severe repercussions for the local and smaller economy.

Not now today, in fact, but before.

Amazon is usually ok. But they blocked me too if you remember. Just like paypal have just about shut me down too. My ISP cutting off my phone line. Always pay my bills, never in debt. Don't matter.

You need to use these services how these masters tell you to, boy. They don't care if you stray off the plantation, slave. You is gonna get whipped, boy. Race war, when? Don't make me laugh. We are all slaves.

Phone line cut off, can't call the number to get to paypal to amazon. Can't phone up my bank.

My phone was working ok today though.

But it's not personal. It's just how things portend to the very near future. I was reading in fact, about how banks will require you to provide a mobile phone number in the future 'to cut down on fraud'. Every time you make a purchase on line.

Remember, citizen, the measures in place are for your own good.

Sorry if I come across as whinging again. It's just a head's up. I'll find no solace here with regard to this. I'm half expecting a knock on the door from the police after what I unleashed today on that poor woman who did genuinely try to help me. I know I upset her. That was not my intention.

I want to cut the head of the beast off. But the beast only presents its minions and its lackeys to us. It's one thing to say 'all is fair in love and war' but it was like when I used to street fight - usually I would get beat and take a whipping and I would feel bad, but I always felt worse when I got the better of someone and gave them a rare whipping.

I don't mind doling out punishment, but it has to be to the right people.

I need to take a step back.

Banks will not let you buy anything on the net without you confirming first your location, your computer system (I think my VPN has messed some stuff up here as well), your phone (so they can trace and cross-reference your phone usage). They want total data. And they will get it.

But if I go through paypal, it's all good. Shame paypal have shut me down too.

I'm not in debt. I don't have a criminal record. I'm not spending amounts much more than a hundred bucks or so.

But I still need to be marked with the number of the beast. Or a landline number cross-referenced with a mobile number.

Keep in mind these banks are complicit in the torture of women and children with their laundering of Cartel drug money. To the tune of billions. Yet they will not let me buy a piece of music software for less than a hundred bucks.

Power is nothing without control.

Welcome to the future.

It's a boot on your head, forever.



Many people consider this a Santanic Praise song, when in reality it's a warning against the devil.


Quite.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Hang in there Rigsby.

 
Rigsby said:
Well, the mark of the beast: No man shall buy or trade...

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=No+man+shall+buy+or+trade


I've posted about this before. It's nearly a year now, my problems have not been resolved.

Basically, my bank has financially crippled me. They will not allow me to enter in to the marketplace most of you take for granted, unless I jump through certain hoops. Unless I allow myself to be marked with the number of the beast. It's voluntary for now whilst making my life a misery. But soon it will be compulsory.

I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

It doesn't matter if you are not at home and can not get a phone call to your landline. It does not matter if you do not have a mobile.

You will be cut out like a cancer from the economic system. You will buy from home or you will provide a mobile with your exact location.

Several times I tried to buy stuff from my folks' house. In the middle of the night. Like fuck I was going to give their house number to wake up a dying man. I don't have a mobile. This is almost illegal now.

I totally lost the plot today, I'l be the first to admit it. I let go a tirade of verbal abuse so bad, so ferocious, that it would get me an instaban here now to repeat it. It also was enough to get me locked up should they choose to prosecute. I held nothing back. It was savage.

I've been feeling bad about it all day. I feel bad that I upset someone that didn't deserve my verbal abuse. But sometimes, you just snap. Today was such a day.

An hour later, as usual, they reset my fraud block and I could buy my product. This has had severe repercussions for the local and smaller economy.

Not now today, in fact, but before.

Amazon is usually ok. But they blocked me too if you remember. Just like paypal have just about shut me down too. My ISP cutting off my phone line. Always pay my bills, never in debt. Don't matter.

You need to use these services how these masters tell you to, boy. They don't care if you stray off the plantation, slave. You is gonna get whipped, boy. Race war, when? Don't make me laugh. We are all slaves.

Phone line cut off, can't call the number to get to paypal to amazon. Can't phone up my bank.

My phone was working ok today though.

But it's not personal. It's just how things portend to the very near future. I was reading in fact, about how banks will require you to provide a mobile phone number in the future 'to cut down on fraud'. Every time you make a purchase on line.

Remember, citizen, the measures in place are for your own good.

Sorry if I come across as whinging again. It's just a head's up. I'll find no solace here with regard to this. I'm half expecting a knock on the door from the police after what I unleashed today on that poor woman who did genuinely try to help me. I know I upset her. That was not my intention.

I want to cut the head of the beast off. But the beast only presents its minions and its lackeys to us. It's one thing to say 'all is fair in love and war' but it was like when I used to street fight - usually I would get beat and take a whipping and I would feel bad, but I always felt worse when I got the better of someone and gave them a rare whipping.

I don't mind doling out punishment, but it has to be to the right people.

I need to take a step back.

Banks will not let you buy anything on the net without you confirming first your location, your computer system (I think my VPN has messed some stuff up here as well), your phone (so they can trace and cross-reference your phone usage). They want total data. And they will get it.

But if I go through paypal, it's all good. Shame paypal have shut me down too.

I'm not in debt. I don't have a criminal record. I'm not spending amounts much more than a hundred bucks or so.

But I still need to be marked with the number of the beast. Or a landline number cross-referenced with a mobile number.

Keep in mind these banks are complicit in the torture of women and children with their laundering of Cartel drug money. To the tune of billions. Yet they will not let me buy a piece of music software for less than a hundred bucks.

Power is nothing without control.

Welcome to the future.

It's a boot on your head, forever.

Get several burner phones, find an alternate address. Use storage containers. I see nothing wrong with cheating the devil and his system. In fact, I believe that I'm doing a service to God by cheating the fallen ones ploy. Some people take this mark too literally, we live in an economy of fear. While it may not be a DNA-changing soul-snatching device yet, it is a precursor if such an entity could exist. I use burner phones, PO boxes, HUD addresses, anything I can to redirect their system (run by humans who also bleed, shit, fart, and blunder too) onto trivialities. I guarantee that the human ingenuity which is bestowed to us by God will always give us the clever option to outwit these globalist fiends. There is a certain amount of defeatism in this mark of the beast approach. I do not deny that when it really does happen, the only Christians to survive in the physical flesh will be the ones at sea or in the remote wilderness, or sheltered by those with sympathies, however unlikely. That is why for that time, it is welcome to prepare for survivalism, long treks through uncharted territory, hunting, gathering, camping, etc, perhaps even sailing if you are more of a water-friendly man.

That time is not yet upon us, it may be another hundred years or more until it happens, we do not know, only The Father knows. Until that time is here, I, like many others, believe in probing for weaknesses. The war as it stands now is, the enemy only have publicly-viewed control of all the institutions. If they want to ban you and your name and your social security number, there is always a way around it. People have been scamming this system for years. While that behavior is not consistent with the teachings of Jesus, ask yourself this, is it a sin to cheat the devil?
 

Going strong

Crow
Gold Member
I've just learned that, apparently, some scholars doubt that the number of the beast is 666; according to them, it might be instead 616.

A very interesting read:
https://www.endtime.com/blog/666-or-616-the-number-of-the-beast/

"Much of the recent stir about 616 has arisen due to renewed studies of a group of very old manuscripts originally discovered in 1895 by archaeologists at the site of an ancient garbage dump in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Many of the Oxyrhynchus manuscripts consist of New Testament papyri, and are very old when compared to other manuscripts. One of them named P115 (also called P. Oxy. 4499), dates from around 300 AD and contains some or all of 12 chapters from the Book of Revelation, including Revelation 13:18. It records 616 as the number of the beast using Greek letters"

"“And his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” This statement from the last days’ prophecy of Revelation 13 gives a clue to the identity of the antichrist. God’s stated purpose in this verse is that we understand it correctly. This is especially true for those of us who live in the days immediately preceding the coming of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, some have questioned the accuracy of 666 as the number of the beast. Some have suggested that 616 is the real number. However, the majority of almost 300 Greek manuscripts, including the oldest and most valued, along with the evidence of early church writings and translations, all stand together as a great witness to the authenticity of 666 against a rather small set of four manuscripts and one early writer that make their claim for 616."







By the way, I wouldn't be surprised that the Beast would try to confound and mislead us, concerning what his infamous mark is.

Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):

 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
Rigsby said:
I tried to buy some music software today for just under a hundred bucks. My bank said my card was blocked for suspected fraud. Again. They always do this. I always have to call up the fraud team and get put on hold for about an hour. I can not buy, sell or trade...

The marking of the number of the beast?

They require a code to be sent to your landline or mobile.

Rigsby, very lovingly... take a deep breath. You've a pattern in the past of seeing persecution that isn't always there, or reading the intensely-personal into situations that aren't there: including what could simply be the red tape garbage involved in modern decaying institutions, where those employed aren't hired for competence, and require Saintlike patience to interact with at times.

Much as I explained in the other thread, where you're seeing yourself as going through the Dark Night of the Senses and the Soul without having truly-experienced the First conversion, it's possible the same thing is at play here.

The Beast's earlier warning in the thread of heretical end times interpretations coming from some American denominations applies here: the mark of the beast will be a deliberate branding chosen by Free Will of choosing allegiance to the Antichrist over God, and people will know what they're doing, even if they believe they're doing it for the right reason.

Ideas of electronic chipping, credit cards, the rapture, the three days of darkness, and a 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ *before* he returns for his final judgement, which would make the 'second coming' the... errr 'third coming' etc are all heresy's beloved in their fictional entertainment, the fruits of which are clearly demonic manipulation: believing it's serving God if America bombs the middle east for Israel to hasten about the end times. My warnings about Tikkun Olam stand.

I remember stumbling across an Evanglical Podcast last year, and hearing a woman whose husband had been killed in the middle east and had been left alone with three sons under five crying to the host about not knowing how to survive the end times. This kind of fearful garbage isn't from Abba.

Whilst there are politically-motivated financial institution bannings happening, they can't be what is spoken of in scripture, because the mass conversion of Jews to Christ hasn't happened yet, a prerequisite to the final persecutions. As such, it's a waste of mental time and energy applying end times prophecy to your day to day life now.

So, putting aside all of that stuff:

What specifically did you do to get banned by Paypal?
Were you involved in any alt-right financial activities, particularly any of the alt-lite side of things?
Were you donating to, say, the Daily Stormer?
Did you get a statement saying why you banned from them?

If there's nothing specific, I highly-doubt you're being targeted for your political views. Either that, or you're secretly Morrissey.

Look, we have similar musical interests. Is it possible your current Fraud warning was justified? I've been hit with a few, usually always for purchases from companies they later explain known to often be targeted by Online Fraudsters.

Perhaps you bought something from Vinyl Tap Records, for example?



Apparently a lot of Russian Money Laundering goes through the business, so an offhand purchase of, say, buying a 7 inch copy of '(I'm Always Touched By Your) Presence, Dear' three years back, put me on a freeze for Fraud Protection until I talked to them and explained that, yes, I made the purchase. The girl on the other end was your standard office drone, who explained she thought she was doing the right thing 'just to be safe', and some simple charm got her giggling and resolved the situation very quickly. Honey, rather than Vinegar, man. I was simply inconvenienced for a couple of days, but since I keep my larder well stocked and often goes days without buying anything, it was a mild one.

Interestingly, my Sister got hit with one of these last week for attempting to buy some musical gear on Ebay. The purchase was stopped and she was warned by Ebay the seller in question was under investigation for Fraud.

If you're in the wrong mindset, and letting all the doom and gloom black pill mindset worry you unnecessarily, it's possible you're misreading this kind of thing for something far more nefarious than it is. Start abusing the banks staff, however, and, yes, you probably will end up cancelled.

So what exactly-triggered what you believe to be persecution? What specific personal action can you point towards that would have generated this attack?
 

BlastbeatCasanova

Kingfisher
Soothesayer said:
Committing suicide is also not an option, though some will pursue that course of action.

Revelation 9:6 "They will long to die, but death will flee from them!"

The chip/mark will prevent it. You can throw yourself off the tallest building and break every bone in your body and still not die. Throw yourself in front of a train and be mangled in a dozen pieces and still live, albeit in tremendous, horrifying pain.

The idea of nanobots comes to mind.

There's a book call Scythe, the first of a young adult series, that explored this idea. It takes place in a future where everything is ran by an all powerful AI and people have nanobots in their bodies that kick in when they get hurt, preventing them from dying or feeling pain. People literally jump off buildings and "kill" themselves for kicks. It was a very entertaining read, similar to the Hunger Games in that there is a male and female protagonist working together/working against each other but it was darker and less cheesy IMO.

Anyway, in keeping with the technological bent of some of these posts, nanobots would make for an interesting "mark of the beast;" unseen but permeating the bodies of damned.
 

Nacho

Sparrow
Going strong said:
I've just learned that, apparently, some scholars doubt that the number of the beast is 666; according to them, it might be instead 616.

A very interesting read:
https://www.endtime.com/blog/666-or-616-the-number-of-the-beast/

"Much of the recent stir about 616 has arisen due to renewed studies of a group of very old manuscripts originally discovered in 1895 by archaeologists at the site of an ancient garbage dump in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. Many of the Oxyrhynchus manuscripts consist of New Testament papyri, and are very old when compared to other manuscripts. One of them named P115 (also called P. Oxy. 4499), dates from around 300 AD and contains some or all of 12 chapters from the Book of Revelation, including Revelation 13:18. It records 616 as the number of the beast using Greek letters"

"“And his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” This statement from the last days’ prophecy of Revelation 13 gives a clue to the identity of the antichrist. God’s stated purpose in this verse is that we understand it correctly. This is especially true for those of us who live in the days immediately preceding the coming of Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, some have questioned the accuracy of 666 as the number of the beast. Some have suggested that 616 is the real number. However, the majority of almost 300 Greek manuscripts, including the oldest and most valued, along with the evidence of early church writings and translations, all stand together as a great witness to the authenticity of 666 against a rather small set of four manuscripts and one early writer that make their claim for 616."







By the way, I wouldn't be surprised that the Beast would try to confound and mislead us, concerning what his infamous mark is.

Interesting also, about the internet (www in Hebrew):


Nero Caeser was the beast and was known as the great prosecutor of the first century church. We know this because in the hebrew numerical system his name adds up to 666.

The 616 is not a contradiction and can easily be explained. In the latin vulgate and the manuscript you referenced it's 616 for the mark of the beast because Nero Caeser was also called Neron Caeser. The 'n' added has a numerical value of 50. Obviously 666-50=616.

So Nero(n) Caeser fits like a glove in pertaining to the mark of the beast and is the only person that makes logical sense. Most of what is being described is dealing with those events that lead up to the destruction of the temple in AD 70.
 

Zevs

Sparrow
This is what I think will happen. Trump will win the election in 2020, and more and people will hate him, and hate him, with more anger and passion than they do now. So after Trump, the antichrist will become president of the USA. He will be young, Jewish, and a sodomite. Every one will love him and adore him. They will give all power to him. He will cause all to receive the mark. So he will force people to receive the mark. It will be in their right hand or their forehead. I reckon it will be some kind of chip. I could be wrong and most probably am concerning the man after Trump. I truly believe that Trump was picked and placed in power by the satanic forces that rule this world. There is no use fighting these forces. The best you could do is believe on The Lord Jesus Christ and pray, pray everyday.
 
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