Tail Gunner said:infowarrior1 said:Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
.15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.
I am not completely convinced regarding full preterism, but I do think that a very convincing argument can be made that it is the most likely scenario (if you are willing to perform the research).
The “meeting in the air” is not a literal rapture of believers, but a symbolic depiction of the final battle of Christ and the powers of darkness which oppose him and his people. It is a powerful metaphor describing what Christ and his hosts accomplish in the day of his coming, vanquishing the gods and demons which the Thessalonians feared had jeopardized their own salvation and that of their departed loved ones. At the parousia, when the angels “gather his elect from the four winds” (Matt 24:31), at their “assembling to meet him” (2 Thess 2:1), they behold the victory of Christ over Satan and the air is purified of all demonic forces.
As I previously posted, there are multiple contemporaneous historical eyewitness accounts of a great battle raging in the heavens, which occurred at the very same time that the Romans destroyed both Jerusalem and the temple (as foretold by Jesus), thereby destroying Jewish worship at the temple for all time.
There is also the historical aspect. Not only of the resurrection of the righteous. But that all the armies of the world will try to battle Jesus when he returns 2nd time around. Before being killed.
I don't think preterism can account for the prediction that when Jesus comes "Every eye will see him". Everyone will know without a doubt that its him. And that he will come in the same manner he has ascended(Acts 1). Prompting people to flee into the caves.
There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.