Eschatology: Mark of the Beast, Great Tribulation, Second Coming

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Problem with preterism. Is that with the coming of Christ. Every eye will see him and all believers who are dead will rise from the dead and will be raptured after his coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord
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There is also passages which talk about nations trying to physically hide from God once the 2nd coming is apparent. And everyone mourning and knowing that he is come at the same time.

I am not completely convinced regarding full preterism, but I do think that a very convincing argument can be made that it is the most likely scenario (if you are willing to perform the research).

The “meeting in the air” is not a literal rapture of believers, but a symbolic depiction of the final battle of Christ and the powers of darkness which oppose him and his people. It is a powerful metaphor describing what Christ and his hosts accomplish in the day of his coming, vanquishing the gods and demons which the Thessalonians feared had jeopardized their own salvation and that of their departed loved ones. At the parousia, when the angels “gather his elect from the four winds” (Matt 24:31), at their “assembling to meet him” (2 Thess 2:1), they behold the victory of Christ over Satan and the air is purified of all demonic forces.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/1997_otto_the-meeting-in-the-air-i-thessalonians-417/#more-37354

As I previously posted, there are multiple contemporaneous historical eyewitness accounts of a great battle raging in the heavens, which occurred at the very same time that the Romans destroyed both Jerusalem and the temple (as foretold by Jesus), thereby destroying Jewish worship at the temple for all time.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73430-post-1992540.html?highlight=battle#pid1992540

There is also the historical aspect. Not only of the resurrection of the righteous. But that all the armies of the world will try to battle Jesus when he returns 2nd time around. Before being killed.

I don't think preterism can account for the prediction that when Jesus comes "Every eye will see him". Everyone will know without a doubt that its him. And that he will come in the same manner he has ascended(Acts 1). Prompting people to flee into the caves.

There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2004_fugett_resurrection.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes. So perhaps Jesus did come. But its not really the 2nd coming.

And then there is the 1000 year reign where people are meant to live as long as trees and people who die at 100 are considered as youths.



20No longer will a nursing infant live but a few days,

or an old man not live out his days.

For the youth will die at a hundred years,

and he who fails to reach a hundred

will be considered accursed.


21They will build houses and dwell in them;

they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.

22No longer will they build houses for others to inhabit,

nor plant for others to eat.

For as is the lifetime of a tree,

so will be the days of My people
,

https://www.biblehub.com/bsb/isaiah/65.htm
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2004_fugett_resurrection.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2004_fugett_resurrection.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
There hasn't been a simultaneous resurrection of all the righteous dead that would coincide with his true 2nd coming.

This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2004_fugett_resurrection.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm

You have me confused. Unless I am mistaken, in Post #118 you indicated that you are a partial preterist, which means that you believe that all but the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled. But here you cite Chapters 6 and 19, which both partial preterists and full preterists agree have been fulfilled.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/20...interpretation-of-the-revelation-by-chapters/
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
This likely occurred on September 24, 70 AD, shortly after the destruction of the temple.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/2004_fugett_resurrection.html

Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm

You have me confused. Unless I am mistaken, in Post #118 you indicated that you are a partial preterist, which means that you believe that all but the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled. But here you cite Chapters 6 and 19, which both partial preterists and full preterists agree have been fulfilled.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/20...interpretation-of-the-revelation-by-chapters/
Oh. To clarify all that I know of preterism is what has been posted on this forum. So I am changing in views in accordance with what may be true as I find out.

I just looked through the website and I just don't find the idea of a spiritual awakening resurrection convincing. There are only 2 forms of resurrection as far as I know from my own reading of scripture. The physical resurrection of the righteous and of the wicked.

I don't see any precedent for metaphorical resurrection that is not of the body.
 

Tail Gunner

Hummingbird
Gold Member
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Perhaps. But there hasn't been any evidence of people fleeing to hide from Jesus all over the world. Nor armies being raised to try to kill Jesus as he comes.

To which bible verses do you refer?

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm

You have me confused. Unless I am mistaken, in Post #118 you indicated that you are a partial preterist, which means that you believe that all but the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled. But here you cite Chapters 6 and 19, which both partial preterists and full preterists agree have been fulfilled.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/20...interpretation-of-the-revelation-by-chapters/
Oh. To clarify all that I know of preterism is what has been posted on this forum. So I am changing in views in accordance with what may be true as I find out.

I just looked through the website and I just don't find the idea of a spiritual awakening resurrection convincing. There are only 2 forms of resurrection as far as I know from my own reading of scripture. The physical resurrection of the righteous and of the wicked.

I don't see any precedent for metaphorical resurrection that is not of the body.

Some food for thought: the idea of a physical rapture never existed in the first 1800 years of Christianity, until the 1830s when John Darby suddenly discovered it. This is the same John Darby who also created the idea of dispensational millenialism, which you are espousing (which also appeared in Christianity for the first time in the mid-1800s). This is the very same doctrine that now tethers Christianity, and the United States, to modern-day Israel.

Darby has been credited with originating the pre-tribulational rapture theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world to its heavenly destiny before the judgments of the tribulation. Thus the prophetic program resumes with Israel's earthly destiny. Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism, because “God is able to graft them in again,” and they believe that in His grace he will do so according to their understanding of Old Testament prophecy. They believe that, while the ways of God may change, His purposes to bless Israel will never be forgotten, just as He has shown unmerited favour to the Church, He will do so to a remnant of Israel to fulfill all the promises made to the genetic seed of Abraham.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
infowarrior1 said:
Tail Gunner said:
To which bible verses do you refer?

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,a and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.b He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:King of kings and Lord of lords.

17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on its behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse.

And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/19.htm

Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him— even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen

https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-7.htm


12And when I saw the Lamb open the sixth seal, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

https://biblehub.com/bsb/revelation/6.htm

You have me confused. Unless I am mistaken, in Post #118 you indicated that you are a partial preterist, which means that you believe that all but the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation have been fulfilled. But here you cite Chapters 6 and 19, which both partial preterists and full preterists agree have been fulfilled.

https://www.preteristarchive.com/20...interpretation-of-the-revelation-by-chapters/
Oh. To clarify all that I know of preterism is what has been posted on this forum. So I am changing in views in accordance with what may be true as I find out.

I just looked through the website and I just don't find the idea of a spiritual awakening resurrection convincing. There are only 2 forms of resurrection as far as I know from my own reading of scripture. The physical resurrection of the righteous and of the wicked.

I don't see any precedent for metaphorical resurrection that is not of the body.

Some food for thought: the idea of a physical rapture never existed in the first 1800 years of Christianity, until the 1830s when John Darby suddenly discovered it. This is the same John Darby who also created the idea of dispensational millenialism, which you are espousing (which also appeared in Christianity for the first time in the mid-1800s). This is the very same doctrine that now tethers Christianity, and the United States, to modern-day Israel.

Darby has been credited with originating the pre-tribulational rapture theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world to its heavenly destiny before the judgments of the tribulation. Thus the prophetic program resumes with Israel's earthly destiny. Dispensationalist beliefs about the fate of the Jews and the re-establishment of the Kingdom of Israel put dispensationalists at the forefront of Christian Zionism, because “God is able to graft them in again,” and they believe that in His grace he will do so according to their understanding of Old Testament prophecy. They believe that, while the ways of God may change, His purposes to bless Israel will never be forgotten, just as He has shown unmerited favour to the Church, He will do so to a remnant of Israel to fulfill all the promises made to the genetic seed of Abraham.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Nelson_Darby

I actually believe in a rapture after the tribulation when the general resurrection of the righteous has occurred.


Just before Christ comes to destroy all the armies of the earth that seek to defeat him.
 
Salam,

Since Islam was mentioned...

Islamic eschatology* may get very interesting to Christians along with the signs leading to the end. There are many topics.

Actual place names and observable events are mentioned and described in detail (compared to other scripture).

Middle East experts:
There are a lot of books and commentaries on Islam by people with geopolitical interests in the Middle-East seeking to capitalize on the ignorance of the general public and to misrepresent Islam.

If you're interested in Islam, self-studying the sources and Muslim commentaries is the way to go (unless you're a Muslim, then a Madrassah). There are too many liars and misinformers and they are not your friend (by lying to you, they pretty much deprive you of making your own decision and rob you of your autonomy). Joel Richardson retweets the IDF, it just does not look like an independent opinion by a learned man.

By the way, usury is Haram. We are not allowed to sell Haram to non-Muslims.

*I have dropped a datasheet on Sunni Islam:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73957.html

Theology-wise:
We Muslims take the Biblical first commandment literally and very seriously.

In Islam, worship is well defined and is only towards the God of Old Testament alone. He is also recognized as the only higher power. Men, states, political parties and etc have historically tried to deify themselves which usually does not get noticed by a lot of religious communities. Islam, opposes this deification of other than God at the very basic level of its theology. Muslims usually spot this in its development and end up under cross-hairs by these political entities.

Islamic theology would be the Antichrists first enemy.

Antichrist candidates:
China has banned the Qur'an and the Bible and has omitted the first commandment from its state approved translation of the Bible. If its not friendly to the Islamic creed, its probably not friends with Christians either.

There is a lot of surveillance and social engineering tech being developed and in use there. Cashlessness is also on the rise. There is a global trend towards cashless authoritarian surveillance states now. The mark anyone?

Eschatology:
About they Day of Judgement itself...
"They ask you, [O Muhammad], about the Hour: when is its arrival? Say, "Its knowledge is only with my Lord. None will reveal its time except Him. It lays heavily upon the heavens and the earth. It will not come upon you except unexpectedly." They ask you as if you are familiar with it. Say, "Its knowledge is only with Allah, but most of the people do not know."" [Quran 7:187]
Link: https://quran.com/7/187

The Dajjal, or Al-Masih Ad-Dajjal (literally, the imposter, or the imposter messiah) has been foretold and there are interesting signs that lead to his appearance. There is a physical description (one-eyed, a mark on his forehead etc) of him along with his location of emergence and a description of the first people to follow him. He will claim divinity and lordship and will lead people away from Biblical monotheism into polytheism and into his own worship. He will also promise paradise on Earth and threaten with fire on Earth. I'll leave the italics for you to search.

Al-Mahdi (literally the guided one) is a righteous leader of Muslims. Referring back to the Theology, he is a human and will not affirm for himself rights that belong to Allah. Muslims will not follow a human leader who claims to be a god, Son of God or even (God forbid) God Himself.

Armageddon will happen before antichrist, rapture after antichrist etc, the materials are there to look and see for yourselves from the Muslims. We are more alike than different in a lot of matters.

Dajjal:

Minor signs before the hour:

Al-Mahdi:

Some of the Imams quote the hadith as they speak so expect to hear Arabic. There are subtitles for that though. These Youtube channels are very addicting to watch, you have been warned.

Of interest:
Any antichrist with sophisticated surveillance equipment and social engineering technology could do a lot of damage. What about hijacked abstract ideas? What about philosophical ideas deified?

Also of interest, when it comes to antichrists and rulers, the Muslim narrative of the story of Rameses and Moses. Search Fir'aun or the Pharaoh in Google. We Muslims do not like Rameses.

Search terms for Google:
Major signs of the hour
Minor signs of the Hour
Signs of the Dajjaal
Dajjaal
Al-Mahdi
Fir'aun

There will usually be direct quotes of sources with these. The Internet is the wild west when it comes to articles so do take care. When it comes to Muslim sources, the tradition is to go with the majority scholarship interpretation, the opinions of the first three generations and the scripture. These form the context.

Books:
On Islam from its sources, Forty Hadith by Imam Nawawi would be the book on the Hadith and Sunnah. This has been taught in the Muslim World for centuries.
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-For...+forty+hadith&qid=1560155569&s=gateway&sr=8-1

40 Hadith Nawwawi Online: https://sunnah.com/nawawi40

Other:
Islamic teachings are pretty close to those of the Old Testament. Any criticism indirectly falls on the OT. Marcion of Sinope had this problem.

I used to be a lurker since the days of DCBachelor. I knew forum and the blog was going towards the black pill and then the white pill.

I did not expect the Zyklon pill though, that was not the direction I was hoping lol.

Have a good day folks.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
I thought this was an interesting summary image of the different types of End Times eschatology. As a Catholic, I'm not sure if there is an official teaching on whether the 1000 year reign has happened or will happen after the tribulation and end times. I'm going to follow up with a knowledgeable friend.

Eschatology_Types.jpg
 
Man In Coma For Past Month Arrives At Church, Assumes He's Been Left Behind

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Another theory I've read about the mark is that it will be accompanied by some sort of DNA modification medical treatment.
I find this idea quite intriguing because the book of Revelation does say that those who take the mark break out in sores at some point. Like the treatment they take causes some kind of reaction later on. Just speculation of course but it makes you wonder if this could be something of the sort.
 

Mountaineer

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The number 21 is unsettlingly symbolic in all of this. Number 20 seems to be preparation. 20th century was preparation for the 21st century when the Beast system will emerge. 2000 was preparation for 2001 when WTC happened. Now, 2020 is preparation for 2021 when the shift will happen and a beginning of the Beast system. 2100 will be the date when the Beast system will finally destroy everything good and Godly.

I don't write this to black pill but looking at all of this in a long perspective of time it's very clear that this world is heading to an end. Starting next year everyone who won't accept the vaccine and subsequent enslavement to the Beast system will have no way to function in a society and will face either starvation or death in a gulag. The more I think about it the more I see no other outcome. People are spiritually weak, God is not in their lives. That doesn't mean I'm doubting God's power but at the same time I won't fool myself about where this is headed. Honestly and truthfully I expect to be dead in a year time if I keep to my faith and convictions. Some people in warm climates who live completely off grid will last longer but inside demonic EU with six month long winters you can be gone next year.

How to fight this? Remain where I am and take what's coming? Material possessions won't save you. Therefore, maybe move far away and try to enter a monastery, fight this with dedicating yourself to God? Nothing is too radical at this point. Better to act now while it's not too late.
 
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sidha

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I don't write this to black pill but looking at all of this in a long perspective of time it's very clear that this world is heading to an end. Starting next year everyone who won't accept the vaccine and subsequent enslavement to the Beast system will have no way to function in a society and will face either starvation or death in a gulag.
In my mind, if the sheeple masses don't wake up and they get away with mass mandatory vaccination there is no turning back and this really is it. God has moved to clock forward in that case and tribulation WILL be in our lifetimes.

Proverbs 26:2 As the bird by wandering, as the swallow by flying, so the curse causeless shall not come.
 

Mr Gee

Newbie
The number 21 is unsettlingly symbolic in all of this. Number 20 seems to be preparation. 20th century was preparation for the 21st century when the Beast system will emerge. 2000 was preparation for 2001 when WTC happened. Now, 2020 is preparation for 2021 when the shift will happen and a beginning of the Beast system. 2100 will be the date when the Beast system will finally destroy everything good and Godly.

I don't write this to black pill but looking at all of this in a long perspective of time it's very clear that this world is heading to an end. Starting next year everyone who won't accept the vaccine and subsequent enslavement to the Beast system will have no way to function in a society and will face either starvation or death in a gulag. The more I think about it the more I see no other outcome. People are spiritually weak, God is not in their lives. That doesn't mean I'm doubting God's power but at the same time I won't fool myself about where this is headed. Honestly and truthfully I expect to be dead in a year time if I keep to my faith and convictions. Some people in warm climates who live completely off grid will last longer but inside demonic EU with six month long winters you can be gone next year.

How to fight this? Remain where I am and take what's coming? Material possessions won't save you. Therefore, maybe move far away and try to enter a monastery, fight this with dedicating yourself to God? Nothing is too radical at this point. Better to act now while it's not too late.
I was getting thoughts 12 months ago that bothered me, it started to become clear the way the world was going I would be dead or in prison by 2030, I just accepted then it was inevitable. Then all this plandemic, certainly like the Babylon bee satire above, seems God has bumped up the schedule, and I don’t blame Him. I hope to strengthen my convictions and faith before it goes down. I’m very rebellious to authority and modern culture and stubborn so I have that going for me.
 
.."But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

-Matthew 24:36-44 (NIV)
 
Coincidence? Could be a message the quarantines are not to be of any deterrence.

Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown. - Revelation 2:8-11

Criteria for discharging patients from isolation (i.e., discontinuing transmission-based precautions) without requiring retesting[1]:
  • For symptomatic patients: 10 days after symptom onset, plus at least 3 additional days without symptoms (including without fever [2] and without respiratory symptoms)[3]
  • For asymptomatic cases[4]: 10 days after positive test for SARS-CoV-2
 
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