European energy crisis due to war

Roosh

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Now with Nord Stream inoperable, the winter in Germany is shaping up to be ugly.
Meanwhile, the head mayor of Berlin has suggested that two- or three-hour periods of load-shedding may be necessary to keep the electrical grid functional over the winter. Other experts, while downplaying the risk of uncontrolled outages, have raised the possibility load-shedding as well, confirming that these are very real contingency plans and that we’re being prepared for them.
There are no plans from the government, beyond doubtful price-tinkering, regulatory schemes and targeted financial assistance. If you look at those news outlets most guilty of Corona hysteria, like the state-funded Tagesschau or the Süddeutsche Zeitung, you find extremely muted reporting on the crisis. Instead, hyperventilation about Ukraine continues to dominate headlines; pieces on the energy apocalypse are either misleading items like this one, hailing a dip in gas prices, or trivial write-ups about whether cities should cancel their Christmas lighting this year.

Note: world news that is a direct consequence of this war can go in this subforum instead of International.
 

get2choppaaa

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I wonder if there are some other remaining supply paths for energy coming into Germany, that are vulnerable to attack as well? I bet they will be trying to guard these as closely as possible.

If somebody blows up an LNG tanker headed to a European port, I bet the other tankers will become unwilling to try it.
Sounds like WWI all over again.... infact the last 10 years of the UKR issue are reminiscent of the entire WWI quagmire.
 
I wonder if there are some other remaining supply paths for energy coming into Germany, that are vulnerable to attack as well? I bet they will be trying to guard these as closely as possible.

If somebody blows up an LNG tanker headed to a European port, I bet the other tankers will become unwilling to try it.

There are other pipelines, but these were the only ones going directly to Germany. Pipelines go through Poland, Ukraine, Slovakia and the Balkans.
 

Kev

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I wonder if there are some other remaining supply paths for energy coming into Germany, that are vulnerable to attack as well? I bet they will be trying to guard these as closely as possible.

If somebody blows up an LNG tanker headed to a European port, I bet the other tankers will become unwilling to try it.
To me LNG tankers will be quite safe as uncle shmuel will protect that US sourced commodity for safe delivery at top $ price.
 

Bird

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Video: Nord Stream explodes - Who is behind the sabotage?

With the destruction of the Nord Stream gas pipelines, things are getting serious for Germany. It is unclear who is behind the act of sabotage. Noticeable: the Danish navy was already on site with special cameras before the first gas bubbles rose from the Baltic Sea.

Gas is currently leaking uncontrollably from the Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines from Russia to Germany at three locations in the Baltic Sea. The Danish Navy published images showing a large-scale bubble formation on the sea surface. The images previously show a normally undulating sea surface and then suddenly the point of rising gas.
Therefore, the question of how Danish naval units were on the scene before the first gas bubbles even rose from the Baltic Sea is unclear?



Backup: https://peertube.su/w/c4KDC3rEWJQ3jj6uDeBLX5


How did they know the explosion site so precisely? The time of the explosion was indeed recorded by seismographs. But it certainly takes a while for the first fliers to get in the air and then look on site. Assuming that, the camera might have caught some more rising bubbles, but certainly not the beginning.

It is all the more surprising that the airmen were apparently on the scene beforehand, exactly at the point where the explosion occurred, and fixed a special camera on the exact point on the Baltic Sea that at first looks normal and then suddenly shows the gas bubbles rising. How did the cameraman and the airman know beforehand so exactly what was happening at this strange spot in the vastness of the Baltic Sea?

According to media reports, the tubes were located south of Bornholm in about 100 meters of sea depth. Therefore, from the moment of the explosion until the gas bubbles rise, only about 2 minutes remain. In this short time it is impossible to send airmen to the sabotage site and to film the beginning of the rising gas bubbles. Therefore, airmen and camera had to be practically on the spot beforehand in order to film the events from the very beginning. But how did you know the coordinates?

The video published by the Danish military on Twitter on Tuesday also shows air bubbles escaping into the sea over a larger area. The largest leak was visible at the water's surface over a radius of more than a kilometer, it said. The federal government said three of four strands of the Baltic Sea pipelines were damaged. It could be an attack to provoke uncertainty in European gas markets.

Who did it?

Ukraine blames Russia for the leaks at the two Nord Stream pipelines. "This is nothing but an act of terrorism planned by Russia and an act of aggression against the EU," wrote Mychajlo Podolyak, an external adviser to Ukraine's presidential office, on the short message service Twitter. He added that Moscow wanted to destabilize the economic situation in Europe and create "panic before winter."

The question remains: Could it not have been Russia itself that disabled the pipelines, which are useless at least for the time being? It is true that this question cannot be answered definitively at this point in time. But there is no discernible motive why Russia should have done so.
 
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Bird

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Search for causes

The question now arises as to how it could be that several leaks occurred at the same time in both pipelines. An expert in underwater robotics pointed to the extremely high safety standards and the very robust construction of the pipelines. Moreover, in the event of a technical failure, only one pipeline would be affected. In the event of an undersea earthquake, both pipelines could have been hit at different locations. However, no quakes have been recorded in the vicinity, so this explanation is considered rather unlikely.

According to German media reports, however, the state authorities are unlikely to rule out the possibility of a terrorist attack, since the Baltic Sea pipelines are an important infrastructure. The German government even decidedly assumes targeted sabotage. Further it was said that everything speaks against a coincidence. The Danish navy said that there was some evidence that this was a targeted attack. In view of the technical complexity, only a state actor could be considered.

All the more interesting is the fact that a huge U.S. fleet is currently cruising off the Danish coast. At the latest with the NATO membership applications of Finland and Sweden, the Baltic Sea has become a deployment area for the naval forces of Russia and NATO. On September 22, a U.S. Navy fleet passed through the Danish Fehmarn Belt.

An excerpt by wochenblick.at
 

Bird

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* Joe Biden announced on February 7 that Nord Stream would be destroyed if Russia attacked Ukraine.

* War broke out in Ukraine.

* The US fleet around the USS Kearsarge and the USS Alington passes the region, during which, according to "myshiptracking", the transponders are said to have been deactivated several times for a longer period of time.

* A short time later, pressure drops in the Nord Stream pipelines. Danish and Swedish seismologists speak of explosions caused by blasting.

* Statements from governments about the incident are so far meaningless.


 
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Bird

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Isnt this situation scary how the American media is keeping quite about this? I mean yes there is very large hurricane, im in FL i see the effect somewhat, but you would think one of the largest pipeline explosions, and in europe of all places would be top news.
Won't it be an interesting plot twist if Germany sees this as an attack on their own country by the US, and the whole thing ends up severely damaging EU - US relations instead of hurting Russia.

Nothing about this event in the German MSM, too.
But I'm perrty sure this information will break through since more and more people reading non-MSM news.
 
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Samseau

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So, the ((Fake News)) are doing their best to bury this story and avoid panic in Europe, however, I believe the situation is far worse than even what alternative media is reporting.

Remember all of the stories this year that said Germany's gas storage was at 95, 99%? It was super maxed out and they were ready to survive winter!! Well, now they will need to start drawing on that storage weeks before any of the cold arrives, because the pipelines were holding hundreds of thousands (millions?) of pounds of gas inside, which is all been released into the Baltic sea.

I can't find any numbers on how much gas these pipelines held, but given its size and length, the number must be massive and will likewise have a massive impact across Germany. If a severe and prolonged cold snap comes, millions could easily die.

Therefore, the question of how Danish naval units were on the scene before the first gas bubbles even rose from the Baltic Sea is unclear?

This is an easy question to answer. The pipeline is hundreds of miles long. The time it would take for gas to fully escape could take hours. Plenty of time for nearby coast guard patrols to circle over and record video.
 

Bird

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So here we have a report from the German state broadcaster saying Russia is the culprit. Well, that was an expected reaction from the MSM.

Military expert suspects Russian act of sabotage

Norwegian military scientist and naval officer Tor Ivar Strömmen believes a Russian act of sabotage is the most likely explanation for the leaks. "A leak at three different locations with such a long distance in between can only be the result of a deliberate act or sabotage," Strömmen told the AFP news agency.

At the same time, he said, only Russia could be considered responsible. "Leaks from gas pipelines are extremely rare," Strömmen continued. The Nord Stream pipelines are also quite new, in the case of Nord Stream 2 even very new. That really leaves sabotage as the only explanation, he said. "I see only one possible actor and that is Russia," the officer elaborated.

He added that Moscow does not want to take responsibility for the suspension of its gas supplies. The same pattern, he said, had already been observed when the Russian side suspended the operation of Nord Stream 1, citing necessary maintenance work. "In reality, all of this is about using energy as a weapon," Strömmen continued. Russia, he said, is trying to unsettle European countries. "The goal is to divide Europe and make it put pressure on Ukraine to reach a cease-fire or peace on the terms the Russians want."


LOL
 

TruckDriver9

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baltic pipe.JPG
Fun fact - this project in no way solves the European energy crisis. Baltic Pipe is not directly connected to any gas field, its only a fork / branch of the already existing Europipe II, Norway to Germany pipeline. The volume of gas delivered to Europe will not increase. The Europipe II is not made out of rubber, it has a set maximum capacity of 24 billion m3 (NS1 - 55 billion m3, NS2 - 55 billion m3).
Up until now all that gas went to Germany and from there it was resold to other European countries, now it will be contested. Poland and Germany will have to engage in a bidding war to secure the rights to transfer the gas through the Europipe II.
So not only the gas shortage won't be fixed, but the price will increase even more.
 
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Johnnyvee

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According to this German paper quoting security "experts" the pipelines will rendered permanently unusable if they're not repaired fast! (in German) "

"...German security authorities assume that the three tubes of the Baltic Sea pipeline Nord Stream 1 and 2 will be unusable forever after alleged acts of sabotage. If they are not repaired quickly, a lot of salt water will run in and the pipelines will corrode, the Tagesspiegel learned from government circles..."

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtsch...einlich-und-droht-mit-sanktionen-8687140.html
 

Cuchulainn2016

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So here we have a report from the German state broadcaster saying Russia is the culprit. Well, that was an expected reaction from the MSM.

Military expert suspects Russian act of sabotage

Norwegian military scientist and naval officer Tor Ivar Strömmen believes a Russian act of sabotage is the most likely explanation for the leaks. "A leak at three different locations with such a long distance in between can only be the result of a deliberate act or sabotage," Strömmen told the AFP news agency.

At the same time, he said, only Russia could be considered responsible. "Leaks from gas pipelines are extremely rare," Strömmen continued. The Nord Stream pipelines are also quite new, in the case of Nord Stream 2 even very new. That really leaves sabotage as the only explanation, he said. "I see only one possible actor and that is Russia," the officer elaborated.

He added that Moscow does not want to take responsibility for the suspension of its gas supplies. The same pattern, he said, had already been observed when the Russian side suspended the operation of Nord Stream 1, citing necessary maintenance work. "In reality, all of this is about using energy as a weapon," Strömmen continued. Russia, he said, is trying to unsettle European countries. "The goal is to divide Europe and make it put pressure on Ukraine to reach a cease-fire or peace on the terms the Russians want."


LOL
Best argument against this that I have read was "If your neighbour steals water from your hose, do you turn it off at the tap, or blow it up?".
 

TruckDriver9

Hummingbird
In addition to Germany, any details of how this will affect other European nations?

There must be implications for Netherlands, France, etc.
Well obviously the gas price will go up, and the EU memeber states lost whatever sovereignty they had left - now, even if there's a widespread government change across Europe they no longer can rescind all those sanctions (well, technically they can but without the infrastructure it's pointless, their hands are tied).
Further on, the Nord Stream AG - the owner and operator of those pipelines is an international joint venture with shareholders from Germany, Netherlands and France.
So they'll take a financial hit as well.
 
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