European Fall Lockdowns - Sweepstake

John

Newbie
Would you stay in the EU (knowing how risky it already is) if it meant being with your family?
At this point, is there anywhere that is not risky? Many of the countries outside Europe are still closed to foreigners. Staying close to family is an absolute must. The last thing you want is to be stuck in a small apartment in a foreign country when they announce a surprise lockdown, and you find yourself defacto in solitary confinment for an indefinite amount of time.

There are still some places in the Europe where whole families could relocate that will fare better than the USA and other European countries. I'd much rather take my chances in a place like Hungary (if the borders ever open again) than the USA or the UK. Once the coup is complete in the USA, I expect there will be a national lockdown of unimaginable brutality as a form of revenge.
 
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PixelFree

Kingfisher
At this point, is there anywhere that is not risky? Many of the countries outside Europe are still closed to foreigners. Staying close to family is an absolute must. The last thing you want is to be stuck in a small apartment in a foreign country when they announce a surprise lockdown, and you find yourself defacto in solitary confinment for an indefinite amount of time.

I agree with the above.

Having said that, I think if you were a foreigner in a country that goes into lockdown, as long as you had the cash, you could still fly back to your home country.

I say 'have the cash' because prices of flights go up by 2 - 2.5x.

Obviously this is dependant on the country. I heard of an (Aussie) Australian who was stuck in India and go caught up in their bureaucracy overload. State, local and federal government all contradicting each other on the ever changing rules. Still eventually got out but it was a hell of a time. But, if you were in say a European country, I think it would be 'OK'.
 

John

Newbie
I think if you were a foreigner in a country that goes into lockdown, as long as you had the cash, you could still fly back to your home country.
How does it work in Melbourne during the lockdown? From what I read, if you are in Melbourne during the lockdown you are now stuck there and can't leave. Are foreign citizens allowed to leave?
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
How does it work in Melbourne during the lockdown? From what I read, if you are in Melbourne during the lockdown you are now stuck there and can't leave. Are foreign citizens allowed to leave?

The media is making out that nobody is able to leave, but foreign citizens are and some others.
 

Zoso

Woodpecker
Poland just closed all Restaurants, bars and cafes starting tomorrow...

We went from free...to wear mask ll the time ... to gyms closed/gastronomy open til 21...to everything fun closed in space of 14 days....WTF

This place is unlivable now. How's Ukraine now? Seriously considering the move in late November.

Any new restrictions there?
Ukraine has rampant infections, its numbers in new cases and deaths are aprox. 6 to 8 times what they had around midyear.
I would think they could take the same restrictions as Poland or Czechia.
 

fiasco360

Kingfisher
Ukraine has rampant infections, its numbers in new cases and deaths are aprox. 6 to 8 times what they had around midyear.
I would think they could take the same restrictions as Poland or Czechia.


Sigh...RAMPANT INFECTIONS. DEATHS 6-8 TIMES HIGHER.

Have you not been paying attention? A majority of the population has had or currently has the virus and the testing methods they use amplify it to an absurd amount so anyone who dies from literally ANYTHING is also deemed a corona virus death.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Sigh...RAMPANT INFECTIONS. DEATHS 6-8 TIMES HIGHER.

Have you not been paying attention? A majority of the population has had or currently has the virus and the testing methods they use amplify it to an absurd amount so anyone who dies from literally ANYTHING is also deemed a corona virus death.

Yes, this is exactly how the PCR tests work. They can 'zoom into' and detect anything they like.

BTW note how they've never found anyone who has dropped dead of Covid lying in their home? It's always in hospital.
 

Louis IX

Pelican
Every situation is very different depending on 2 things ( and I'm not taking into account particular cases such as work etc)

1) your nationality/passport

Being a citizen of a country in the EU is irrelevant ; e.g. I'm French but cannot go to Hungary ). But I can go to France because they cannot reject their own citizens. Same for my wife and one kid who aren't French citizens; not even EU citizens ; but they are allowed to enter if we show proper documentation .
The more passports you have ( and the more diverse from various geopolitical zones ; e.g Russian and French ) the more options you get.

2) your residency

In my case I am residing legally ( which means to have a proper residence permit ) outside the EU and still can come to France because Albania is not on the blacklist . Should I take a flight through Serbia ( no direct flight at the moment ) I am then required to have a PCR test....
I can go to Turkey without showing a test ( at least 3 weeks ago ; didn't check now) but cannot go to neighboring North Macedonia or Montenegro without test.

Visas and notions like the Schengen area are totally irrelevant at the moment and tourism is not a good idea - and very limited anyway.

RULES can change at any moment so for all people who look for a last resort plan to not stay in your home country ( you probably have 1 week more ? ) I would focus on the following

A) stay somewhere where you can legally stay 1 or 2 years without the 180 days out of 365 restrictions
B) Stay somewhere where you don't need a visa
C) If you work remote or have some savings stay in a country where you might already have a bank account open.
D) Stay somewhere where you have a reliable friend or close family member where you can sleep at for free ( you re not going to rent for 1/2 years ; you will run out of money )
E) Ideally stay somewhere where you look like you could be from this country - physically - and where you are decent in the said language . We never know when things go totally wrong - people enjoy hunting "foreigners " .

The last thing to do is to go somewhere you have never been ; with no plan. This is not the time to gamble ; it s more the time to carefully think about it as some sort of military retreat.
 

Zoso

Woodpecker
Sigh...RAMPANT INFECTIONS. DEATHS 6-8 TIMES HIGHER.

Have you not been paying attention? A majority of the population has had or currently has the virus and the testing methods they use amplify it to an absurd amount so anyone who dies from literally ANYTHING is also deemed a corona virus death.
Man... I know this is all a hoax since march and know every one of the lies about the virus.

For me, of course, there is no argument to take any restriction at all.

I'm just saying what the narrative says and from which they will take decisions.

The another user was asking about what Ukraine is going to do. Do governments make decisions based on what we, that know the truth, think?
No, right?

Relax, you are not the only smart guy here.
 
I am slowly resigning to another lockdown. Will use the time to save some money and buy some home gym equipment. Will also make sure I meet with a lot of friends at house parties, which are less policed here. I will also hope it does not last ages because it might cost us the current government and the opposition are the socialists, while the innocent folk in the gastronomy and tourism will have their livelihoods eviscerated, this time for good. :(
 
How is Switzerland? Anyone on the ground? Curious about their state, given the number of elites residing there.
Cases are growing faster there than anywhere else in Europe, they have overtaken France on weekly cases per capita and positivity rates are so high that their contact tracing has failed. More and more restrictions happening, they will likely follow Germany and France. But so far gyms have been open(you need to wear a mask when you enter but not in locker or when you exercise), restaurants are open(masks when you enter but not when you sit down), masks in all stores, masks in public transportation. Think this has changed as of today, but not sure yet.

For coverage check out Switzerland reddit:
 
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