European Paganism and their Modern Day LARPer's
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These neo-pagan incel edgelords have completely taken over /pol/, although interestingly they're mostly limited to 4chan with little presence in YouTube or Facebook. Probably because they'll get destroyed by based Christian pages.
Their entire worldview is nothing but a regurgitation of early 2010's liberal pop atheism but geared towards the JQ and nationalist rhetoric. Their entire reason for rejecting Christianity is literally just because Christ was a Jew, and they're pushing this strawman narrative of Christianity being a Jewish psy-op to wipe out European ethnic identity. I've noticed that their worldview ultimately has little substance because they're filled with edgy terms like "Christcuck," and it was the case because pretty much any imaginable slur possible is permitted in 4chan.
I have a strong enough suspicion that far-right neo-paganism is ironically a Jewish psy-op itself, because liberal pop atheism has long lost its luster as a counter-culture after memes have made it cool to become a Christian again on the Internet, and so a new type of pop atheism revolving around racial purity instead of evolutionism has taken its place. I wish I have more time and cognitive energy to break down whatever presuppositions these neo-pagan larpers have, but at its essence it's just right-wing atheism, and in order to refute them requires refuting atheism and nihilism.
And that's the problem, most Christians on 4chan seem to ignore or put up the verbal abuse and mockery from these types, because they all assume that the latter are on their side. I personally suspect some of these larpers to be just left-wing atheists pretending to be right-wing or are just starting to feel the effects of open borders. Remember that for Western Europe, the region is barely Christian anymore, so imagine all these atheists who have modernist/nihilist mindsets experience the havoc of multiculturalism and mass migration. It's naive to assume that they're gonna turn Christian as an act of red-pilling.
Either that, or they're edgy atheist white teens or young males growing up in centrist or liberal environments, and so mockery of Christianity comes off to them naturally. Calling us "Bible thumpers" or "Jesus freaks" or "theocrats" won't work anymore (since they're framed from the leftist counter-cultural mindset of the 60s - 80s), so now it goes to the other side of the dialectic with pop atheism trying to co-opt the growing right-wing counter-culture, setting up one's nationalism and awareness of the JQ in opposition to his faith in Christ.
Their entire worldview is nothing but a regurgitation of early 2010's liberal pop atheism but geared towards the JQ and nationalist rhetoric. Their entire reason for rejecting Christianity is literally just because Christ was a Jew, and they're pushing this strawman narrative of Christianity being a Jewish psy-op to wipe out European ethnic identity. I've noticed that their worldview ultimately has little substance because they're filled with edgy terms like "Christcuck," and it was the case because pretty much any imaginable slur possible is permitted in 4chan.
I have a strong enough suspicion that far-right neo-paganism is ironically a Jewish psy-op itself, because liberal pop atheism has long lost its luster as a counter-culture after memes have made it cool to become a Christian again on the Internet, and so a new type of pop atheism revolving around racial purity instead of evolutionism has taken its place. I wish I have more time and cognitive energy to break down whatever presuppositions these neo-pagan larpers have, but at its essence it's just right-wing atheism, and in order to refute them requires refuting atheism and nihilism.
And that's the problem, most Christians on 4chan seem to ignore or put up the verbal abuse and mockery from these types, because they all assume that the latter are on their side. I personally suspect some of these larpers to be just left-wing atheists pretending to be right-wing or are just starting to feel the effects of open borders. Remember that for Western Europe, the region is barely Christian anymore, so imagine all these atheists who have modernist/nihilist mindsets experience the havoc of multiculturalism and mass migration. It's naive to assume that they're gonna turn Christian as an act of red-pilling.
Either that, or they're edgy atheist white teens or young males growing up in centrist or liberal environments, and so mockery of Christianity comes off to them naturally. Calling us "Bible thumpers" or "Jesus freaks" or "theocrats" won't work anymore (since they're framed from the leftist counter-cultural mindset of the 60s - 80s), so now it goes to the other side of the dialectic with pop atheism trying to co-opt the growing right-wing counter-culture, setting up one's nationalism and awareness of the JQ in opposition to his faith in Christ.
I was just discussing with @Thomas More about memes in the political fight.
You hit the nail on the head about the former slurs being ineffective. A few years back (before I came Christ, even!) I remarked how everyone is fighting this imaginary bogeyman of an early 60's patriarch that simply does not exist.
My own mother, an educated and intelligent woman, said: 'But yes they do! Of course they do!'
It really shows that culture can be quicker than the media. (Memes are culture)
Wonder what the next effective rhetorical slur against believers will be.
I imagine the previous ones only worked for 'nice guy' Protestants and Non-Denoms.
Perhaps nothing will work since Orthodoxy & Trade Catholicism is more 'based'?
Gotta wonder the lengths to which they'll go if name calling indeed stops being effective.
I agree the new occultists are a psyop. It's just too accusatory to be organic.
The amount of times I've seen the term "Christcuckery" in 4chan is off the charts. These secular right-wingers (that's what I'm gonna call then from now on) are absolutely convinced that all Christianity is inherently progressive or liberal and that its message of altruism, kindness, and viewing all human beings as created in the image of God (of course it won't be acceptable to actual white nationalists who literally view black people as subhuman) as being directly responsible for all anti-white policies, multiculturalism and mass migration. They see how the globalist regimes of Western Europe appeal to Europeans' sense of kindness to import all these foreign peoples who are absolutely incompatible with their cultures—and then point the finger at Christianity for being ultimately responsible.
For some reason, these people think that it's utterly impossible for Christianity to be "based," or that right-wingers are still not good enough if they still end up worshipping the "Jew on a stick" or adhering to this "Abrahamic desert religion" or Jewish psy-op that is alien to their European ancestors. One would have to have a materialist worldview rejecting the existence of the triune God, the salvation of the soul, heaven vs hell, or any of the myriad truths of the Bible, all because these are somehow in direct contradiction to one's own national identity.
For example, do we really think that this LARPer genuinely believes in the existence of Valhalla? And how will he act accordingly, if such is the case? Try to pick up some fight to the death with some stranger and hope that he's right in his supernatural belief?
I constantly get this feeling of these secular white nationalists itching to commit violence against refugees and migrants and thus hating on Christianity for conditioning their fellow Europeans with inhibition against aggression. That is, assuming they're able to get out of their basements first, and then assuming they won't piss their pants at the sight of minorities as Curt Doolittle did when facing two BLM niqqas.
I see what you mean
And I've noticed it all over, to.
Had a spot over 2 weeks where I got the feeling of 'Why doesn't our side refute these people here more??!'
But then I thought: A. I have seen our side do so, just not as often.
B. Stay out of the town squares where people argue in public (don't care how anonymous the chans are, its a town square)
C. Wouldn't my time as a Christian be better suited to going to service more often? Or even just here? Somewhere I'm less likely to see (and save) scandalous pictures and webms?
I agree with you on all these points above. If it's really a psyop, though: its meant to get us to lose our cool.
To get us closer to acting unchristian in public. Something all too easy on the internet.
And like all psyops that don't bear fruit, they'll memory hole them.
Surely you remember 'Dark Brandon'?
Haven't seen him in awhile...
And I've noticed it all over, to.
Had a spot over 2 weeks where I got the feeling of 'Why doesn't our side refute these people here more??!'
But then I thought: A. I have seen our side do so, just not as often.
B. Stay out of the town squares where people argue in public (don't care how anonymous the chans are, its a town square)
C. Wouldn't my time as a Christian be better suited to going to service more often? Or even just here? Somewhere I'm less likely to see (and save) scandalous pictures and webms?
I agree with you on all these points above. If it's really a psyop, though: its meant to get us to lose our cool.
To get us closer to acting unchristian in public. Something all too easy on the internet.
And like all psyops that don't bear fruit, they'll memory hole them.
Surely you remember 'Dark Brandon'?
Haven't seen him in awhile...
One of the things that appeals to me about Roosh is his discipline or at least his attempts at it. I feel discipline is necessary if you plan on engaging people who believe differently, otherwise you start seeing yourself too much in other people and it invokes internal conflict of "this guy is like me but he's doing it wrong". A martial artist is indifferent to to the mistakes of a layman. It's the layman's peers who are the ones who feel scorn when confronted with the imperfection of their equal. Discipline helps with conviction. Considering Jesus had both, he did not feel angered at being rebuked. That's my opinion.
This has exactly happened to me.
It's odd you use a martial artist as a metaphor, I am constantly doing that in life.
Just goes to show how much farther I have to go. Thank you.
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These groups have always been misled, and whenever an authority is no longer around to denounce them they like to include themselves in its grand history. The LARPERs have embraced this crafted-rebellious role of a neo-pagan who believes in their pantheonic mythos because it is seen as an enemy in the carefully-constructed media narrative. They take the easy path of less research. No real paganism had ever threatened jewry since 70 A.D. when Titus sacked their temple. Every European governate that expelled the jews after the assimilation of the church by Constantine was a Christian nation, kingdom, or state. The pagans are easier to control than true Christians, who will not go along with the NWO. The entire penal subculture that arose out of the Aryan Brotherhood is a prime example of this. They have no political clout, no real strength, their soldiers aren't battle-hardened warriors but mostly recidivistic drug-addicts. Anytime a grassroots movement, allegedly, gets any tract, it is derailed by zog agents who can easily infiltrate it and dismantle it or redirect it for their own purposes, as seen internationally with the Azovs. In the prison world, the natural segregations arise that would keep a better peace out in the real world, as harsh and cruel as it is. While I do not adorn any swastikas on my body nor drape them up on the walls above where I sleep, I hold that it as sacred in my heart, both as an early eastern Christian symbol and as the rallying cause against Bolshevism.
The following are excerpts from a document called: The Swastika, a Prophetic Symbol. They are mostly the historical excerpts on the Christian part of its history:
In the early days of persecution, when only the gloomy catacombs could be counted on for asylum, the hunted Christians made use of secret symbols to safeguard the disclosure of themselves to friends and brothers in Christ. The Ichthus Fish is one such symbol, and so is the Swastika. The most ancient prophetical symbol of Our Sacred Lord's coming was also found of value in concealing the sign of the cross, from those ready to betray, or destroy, any Christian whose profession became known.
Diogenes, the grave digger of the catacombs, immortalized in the ancient frescoes, that shrine of the martyrs, is depicted as holding in his hands a lighted lamp with which he finds his way into the dark labyrinth, and lays to rest the remains of faithful Christians. The Swastika symbols of Agnei are placed upon him, which signifies a Christ whose light illuminates even the darkest recesses of the grave. The simplicity and beauty of these ancient Swastikas painted on the walls of the Catacombs as early as the first or second century have deep significance in the history of Christian martyrdom. It is therefore not surprising that we find on the mitre of Blessed Thomas a Becket embroidered the symbol of swastika. There is also one to be found on a memorial brass in Lewknor Church, Oxfordshire. England. The inscription in the Catacombs of the mural painting is as follows: "Diogenes Fossor in Pace Depositus" etc.,—pick, lamp and other instrument ; swastika on shoulder and one on each flap of skirt. Another swastika has been found upon the slab of a grave in a Catacomb.
John the Baptist proclaimed the Agnus Dei, "that taketh away the sins of the world ;" and the Holy Catholic Church has ever since been preaching salvation in the Cross of Him who is the Light of the World, and whose symbol is the grandest triumph ever known. Significance of the swastika is to be accounted for as a great fact or truth divinely communicated in the earliest times as prophetic of the coming of the Agnus Dei, the Light of the World and the Saviour of Mankind.
In Athens, Bologna, Cyprus, Konigsberg, in the museums of ancient Vienna and the Vatican, there are to be seen prehistoric vases of all sizes and shapes, profusely ornamented with symbolic signs of the swastika. It is also found amidst the paintings of the Catacombs of Rome, on the pulpit of St. Ambrose in Milan, on early Christian monuments of Scotland and Ireland and in the museums of Toulouse and Rouen. The form known as the fylfot is frequently introduced on the vestments of the Greek Church and is found also somewhat more sparingly in the West, both in ecclesiastical and heraldic work.
"It is true that the Swastika, together with the Egyptian symbol of life (crux Ansata) was used by the early Christians as a symbol of their religion, and in the Catacombs, the swastika is sometimes combined with the Christogram. It was explained by early Christian authors as a combination of two Z's which were said to mean "thou shalt live." It might also be explained to mean Christ, who calls himself the "Life". It is certain that the swastika was not invented by Christians, but was adopted by them, and was gradually superseded by the Christogram and the definite acceptance of the cross as the emblem of Christianity." - I. M. Cassanowicz, Asst. Curator, Dept. of Historic Archeology.
The Catholic must recognize in this mysterious swastika a teaching of far greater import than the conclusions arrived at by eth- nologists. Every swastika conceals the sign of the cross, and as the bonks of the Bible are prophetic of the coming of our Lord so this symbol is prophetic of the coming of the Founder of Christianity. It is one of the great religious symbols of the world It has been revered all over Europe and Asia. It is one of the oldest things in history, and there is scarcely a land in whose ruined temples it is not found. By those who look upon the region to the northwest of India as the primal home of the blonde races of the world that ancient land is also looked upon as the birthplace of the swastika. With the successive emigrations of the Aryans from Northern India all over Europe the swastika spread. The Arabs and Jews knew it not. As the "hammer of Thor" it is fabled to have crushed the head of "the serpent." It is the cross which every swastika contains, which destroys the evil of the serpent to-day, and faith in this holy sign restores the dead to life everlasting. It is another proof that the inhabitants of the new world came from the old and brought the symbol of the salvation of the Christian faith with them. In the cross of this Christian faith is the salvation for all peoples—and its influence goes steadily on. Believing in His Cross and promise, "Lo. I am with you always, even to the end of all things," we cling to the Christian faith.
On the walls of the Christian catacombs in Rome, the symbol of the Swastika appears next to the words “ZOTIKO ZOTIKO” which means “Life of Life”. It can also be found on the window openings of the mysterious Lalibela Rock churches of Ethiopia, and in various other churches around the world. Below is an Orthodox Ethiopian priest holding a cross which contains several. I can't claim I can convert these people from these truths alone, for God will have to work in their hearts the courage to accept the truth.
The following are excerpts from a document called: The Swastika, a Prophetic Symbol. They are mostly the historical excerpts on the Christian part of its history:
In the early days of persecution, when only the gloomy catacombs could be counted on for asylum, the hunted Christians made use of secret symbols to safeguard the disclosure of themselves to friends and brothers in Christ. The Ichthus Fish is one such symbol, and so is the Swastika. The most ancient prophetical symbol of Our Sacred Lord's coming was also found of value in concealing the sign of the cross, from those ready to betray, or destroy, any Christian whose profession became known.
Diogenes, the grave digger of the catacombs, immortalized in the ancient frescoes, that shrine of the martyrs, is depicted as holding in his hands a lighted lamp with which he finds his way into the dark labyrinth, and lays to rest the remains of faithful Christians. The Swastika symbols of Agnei are placed upon him, which signifies a Christ whose light illuminates even the darkest recesses of the grave. The simplicity and beauty of these ancient Swastikas painted on the walls of the Catacombs as early as the first or second century have deep significance in the history of Christian martyrdom. It is therefore not surprising that we find on the mitre of Blessed Thomas a Becket embroidered the symbol of swastika. There is also one to be found on a memorial brass in Lewknor Church, Oxfordshire. England. The inscription in the Catacombs of the mural painting is as follows: "Diogenes Fossor in Pace Depositus" etc.,—pick, lamp and other instrument ; swastika on shoulder and one on each flap of skirt. Another swastika has been found upon the slab of a grave in a Catacomb.
John the Baptist proclaimed the Agnus Dei, "that taketh away the sins of the world ;" and the Holy Catholic Church has ever since been preaching salvation in the Cross of Him who is the Light of the World, and whose symbol is the grandest triumph ever known. Significance of the swastika is to be accounted for as a great fact or truth divinely communicated in the earliest times as prophetic of the coming of the Agnus Dei, the Light of the World and the Saviour of Mankind.
In Athens, Bologna, Cyprus, Konigsberg, in the museums of ancient Vienna and the Vatican, there are to be seen prehistoric vases of all sizes and shapes, profusely ornamented with symbolic signs of the swastika. It is also found amidst the paintings of the Catacombs of Rome, on the pulpit of St. Ambrose in Milan, on early Christian monuments of Scotland and Ireland and in the museums of Toulouse and Rouen. The form known as the fylfot is frequently introduced on the vestments of the Greek Church and is found also somewhat more sparingly in the West, both in ecclesiastical and heraldic work.
"It is true that the Swastika, together with the Egyptian symbol of life (crux Ansata) was used by the early Christians as a symbol of their religion, and in the Catacombs, the swastika is sometimes combined with the Christogram. It was explained by early Christian authors as a combination of two Z's which were said to mean "thou shalt live." It might also be explained to mean Christ, who calls himself the "Life". It is certain that the swastika was not invented by Christians, but was adopted by them, and was gradually superseded by the Christogram and the definite acceptance of the cross as the emblem of Christianity." - I. M. Cassanowicz, Asst. Curator, Dept. of Historic Archeology.
The Catholic must recognize in this mysterious swastika a teaching of far greater import than the conclusions arrived at by eth- nologists. Every swastika conceals the sign of the cross, and as the bonks of the Bible are prophetic of the coming of our Lord so this symbol is prophetic of the coming of the Founder of Christianity. It is one of the great religious symbols of the world It has been revered all over Europe and Asia. It is one of the oldest things in history, and there is scarcely a land in whose ruined temples it is not found. By those who look upon the region to the northwest of India as the primal home of the blonde races of the world that ancient land is also looked upon as the birthplace of the swastika. With the successive emigrations of the Aryans from Northern India all over Europe the swastika spread. The Arabs and Jews knew it not. As the "hammer of Thor" it is fabled to have crushed the head of "the serpent." It is the cross which every swastika contains, which destroys the evil of the serpent to-day, and faith in this holy sign restores the dead to life everlasting. It is another proof that the inhabitants of the new world came from the old and brought the symbol of the salvation of the Christian faith with them. In the cross of this Christian faith is the salvation for all peoples—and its influence goes steadily on. Believing in His Cross and promise, "Lo. I am with you always, even to the end of all things," we cling to the Christian faith.
On the walls of the Christian catacombs in Rome, the symbol of the Swastika appears next to the words “ZOTIKO ZOTIKO” which means “Life of Life”. It can also be found on the window openings of the mysterious Lalibela Rock churches of Ethiopia, and in various other churches around the world. Below is an Orthodox Ethiopian priest holding a cross which contains several. I can't claim I can convert these people from these truths alone, for God will have to work in their hearts the courage to accept the truth.
I think that's broadly right with most of the LARPy types that frequent those kind of platforms, but don't really embody any actual paganist practises beyond 'muh ancestors' and 'you worship a dead jew' adolescent meltdowns, and projecting themselves as embodying the spirit of a Viking warrior, while dealing with customer complaints in a insurance company callcentre.
However, there is a darker core within that scene, which takes itself very seriously, and are effectively Masonic in principle. The stuff they talk about is more adjacent to Crowley's Thelema, and New Ageism, with a 'based' makeover.
I believe if Neo Paganism is at least in part a psy-op, it is from the latter direction, rather than the Jews (though ultimately both are fruit from the same root).
I think it does say something that if one hangs around a free-for-all website like 4chan, it's not a good indicator of how much one spends his time. Other than this forum, I limit my social media presence on Youtube (had to use Facebook for school purposes and strictly professional).
It comes across as even more pathetic if we lose our patience and composure as Christians to teenage larpers of all people, and on some image board website of all places.
Thank you for this lengthy exposition. Ironically, this reminds me of a quote by the Austrian Painter himself going as, "My spirit shall rise from the grave...." nevermind that there is only one Way, Truth and Life that can bring us from the grave and into eternal life. So it turns out that the secularists who idolize the Third Reich and mock Christianity as a tool of the Jews, they themselves are in great ignorance of the Christian inspiration behind the National Socialist flag
I just watched this podcast by Church of the Eternal Logos, and the message resonates with what the Christian understanding of strength, triumph and conquest as not being done through the sword or through armies. This is the opposite of the worldview of the neo-pagans who want to emulate the Vikings and Samurai in their capacity for wanton violence as a mark of masculinity and courage. Most of us here would want to reverse the effects of, say, multiculturalism or mass migration or the LGBTQ agenda, but the system from which these agendas ultimately originate wages another kind of war with us, one marked not by the firing of guns but rather one of the soul. With their extreme obsession with racial purity as the end-all and be-all, the right-wing secularists put their souls in great danger by denying the need for the spiritual and the importance of the eternal. Because they drove a dichotomy between the nation and the soul, which makes them no better than the Gnostics.
I remember a glimpse of paganism when I, regrettably, read one of dan browns books, which I'll never do again. I regard dan brown as a horrible human. His gross misinterpretation of Christianity during the oughts was one of the reasons for the apostasy we see today. At any rate, in the "da vinci code" the main character's grandfather is a pagan and I recall she walked in on a ceremony where he was engaged in some kind of ritualistic orgy. It's remarkable how you can couch a situation with rhetoric and context that creates a convincing impression that the profane is good. But then again, such is the license that an author enjoys. This is exactly what brown did as he simultaneously lambasted Catholicism. If this is what paganism is then it abhorrent. Outside of fantasy land, a young girl witnessing such depravity would have been scarred for life and would have condemned her grandfather.
Did a quick look at this channel and this dude is full-blown worshipping Nietzsche and Jung. Right-wing atheists will literally bring up the most nonsensical accusations against Christianity.
This actually proves my point that this is a psy-op meant to destroy religion and spirituality among people who oppose woke politics.
I could already tell that this sort of people believe that Western civilization was weakened because Christianity did away with brutal spectacles in the Colosseum and promoted actual welfare of women and the poor.
I've realized that this is a two-pronged pincer ideological attack of secularism against Christianity: the left-wing attacks Christianity over such woke buzzwords as misogyny, patriarchy, racism, homophobia, etc. The right-wing accuses Christianity of being inherently subversive and egalitarian and thus Christians themselves promote progressivism. It's a perfect "damned if you do, damned if you don't" setup against Christianity, and is indicative of the elites' far-seeing anticipation of many people becoming reactionary and turning to the first ideological grifter that will give them any meaningful explanation of society's wokeification. I also strongly suspect that some of these "pagan larpers" are in reality liberal atheists who engage in mental gymnastics to convince themselves that their Marxist, anti-Christian worldview has nothing to do with woke political correctness.
Neo-pagans and right-wing secularists still are unable to give an answer on how objective morality can exist without belief in God. That's actually why they insist in attacking Christian morality and virtue as emasculating. Notice that this is the very same spirit of the Tates' worldview of promoting hedonism and promiscuity as a mark of masculinity. After all, if Christianity stands in the way of treating women as mere objects of pleasure or otherwise treating them as less than created in the image of God, then one ought to create a divide between Christianity and nationalism/masculinity/whatever idealized image of the "based" you have in mind.
This actually proves my point that this is a psy-op meant to destroy religion and spirituality among people who oppose woke politics.
I could already tell that this sort of people believe that Western civilization was weakened because Christianity did away with brutal spectacles in the Colosseum and promoted actual welfare of women and the poor.
I've realized that this is a two-pronged pincer ideological attack of secularism against Christianity: the left-wing attacks Christianity over such woke buzzwords as misogyny, patriarchy, racism, homophobia, etc. The right-wing accuses Christianity of being inherently subversive and egalitarian and thus Christians themselves promote progressivism. It's a perfect "damned if you do, damned if you don't" setup against Christianity, and is indicative of the elites' far-seeing anticipation of many people becoming reactionary and turning to the first ideological grifter that will give them any meaningful explanation of society's wokeification. I also strongly suspect that some of these "pagan larpers" are in reality liberal atheists who engage in mental gymnastics to convince themselves that their Marxist, anti-Christian worldview has nothing to do with woke political correctness.
"Neo-paganism" is a promotion of depravity and immorality under the guise of being "based and red-pilled," and bestial violence under the threat of calling someone a "cuck," attacking his very insecurities and sense of manhood.
Neo-pagans and right-wing secularists still are unable to give an answer on how objective morality can exist without belief in God. That's actually why they insist in attacking Christian morality and virtue as emasculating. Notice that this is the very same spirit of the Tates' worldview of promoting hedonism and promiscuity as a mark of masculinity. After all, if Christianity stands in the way of treating women as mere objects of pleasure or otherwise treating them as less than created in the image of God, then one ought to create a divide between Christianity and nationalism/masculinity/whatever idealized image of the "based" you have in mind.
One is supposed to grow out of Paganism and become a Christian. Unfortunately, many people remain adolescents. They cling to Odin and Thor in the same way they love their marvel superheroe movies. Paganism is mythology - the default state of humanity. It is a state of nature, wholly immanent.
Christianity is metaphysical. It's like transitioning from biology to math/physics. Mathematical truths are discovered and universal, there is no point discussing who "owns" them. The same is true for Christianity, which transcends nature. One can be a Christian and still own up to one's pagan heritage, in the same way one can be a mathematician but still enjoy a walk in the woods.
Pagan nature worship is dangerous because amoral and leads to human sacrifice. It's one thing to watch Vikings on the TV screen but another thing to actually live in such a world.
Christianity is metaphysical. It's like transitioning from biology to math/physics. Mathematical truths are discovered and universal, there is no point discussing who "owns" them. The same is true for Christianity, which transcends nature. One can be a Christian and still own up to one's pagan heritage, in the same way one can be a mathematician but still enjoy a walk in the woods.
Pagan nature worship is dangerous because amoral and leads to human sacrifice. It's one thing to watch Vikings on the TV screen but another thing to actually live in such a world.
This man as I posted before posted a thoughtful video:
Video is worth a watch. As for some of the comments:
His thoughts on this topic more specifically:
Video is worth a watch. As for some of the comments:
His thoughts on this topic more specifically:
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Indeed. Paganism just feels far more natural as is evident by their comments. But without Theosis. They remain fallen.
Objective morality cannot exist without God. Yes! Very much so. And despite the attempts from right-wing secularists, this will happen. We've reached a point where subjective "morality" has been proven to be a failure. Moreover, the absence of morality is equally a failure. Therefore, we, as a species, need objective morality. And if we need objective morality we need God. And we also need an institution to embody this morality i.e. religion.
'Something is better than nothing.'
'I'd rather be with a man I don't love than be alone.'
'I can't stand silence, I have to say something if someone is around or play music when I'm alone because otherwise it's just me and my thoughts!'
Objective morality is ultimately enforced by Divine Judgment. Dead Civilizations is evidence of that.