European War and Collapse...Possible, or Probable?

[Thomas More]

I think it's a little of both. The lower class leaders and popular support really were organic. It's true they couldn't have succeeded without having allies in the elites to supply money and weapons, and then to bring their sectors of the economy in line to support the new regime. However, I think these elites are primarily being opportunistic.

I don't think the elites were able to engineer things like the French, Soviet, or Chinese revolutions to the point they were the prime movers. There were significant forces present in each society across multiple social classes where they felt they had something to gain from overthrowing the old order. Each of these revolutions was very chaotic. There's no way some faction of the elite was able to plan and implement these revolutions as is sometimes claimed.

 

[911]

Power is concentrated at the top, in the capitals. You don't have to have deep grassroots support in order to effect regime change/revolutions. If you take over the levers (executive, banks, media, top army brass) and have enough capital to fund the upper and middle echelons, you've got it done. The reason communist regimes in Russia and China had to kill tens of millions is that their popular support wasn't strong, they had to cull and terrorize the masses that they pretend to represent. In France, the revolution faded back into a traditionalist, nationalist regime of Napoleon.

History is written by the winners, so these revolutionary events will invariably be portrayed as organic popular movements in the history books and in popular culture, it's hard for me to challenge that notion here, but if you do your research you will find out that things weren't as they are portrayed.

 

[Kid Twist]

Very probable.

Europe is too rich village to exist safely. It has no army no borders and represents no valid principles that people might want to fight for.

Really nasty conflict will take place when a muslim becomes high figure with high power in one of the countries. Can happen within next 10-15 years.

However I still think that there is some sort of big plan behind all of this mess. People with so much power are not stupid. It must be on purpose. You know the best way to introduce new order or some kind of revolution is to create big crisis ie manufacture it somehow.

The theory behind pushing mass migration is that they know it will create major social unrest and a world war down the road which will allow them to do the big reset of the global economy and bring in the solution which will be the one world government/new world order. It benefits the global elites because it allows their power to become even more concentrated and farther reaching.

Are you going to change your handle to "Mark of the" RB?

:razz:

 

[IM3000]

"Poor men rising up to channel the anger of regular men" is the cover story. As Nomad mentioned, Hitler was backed by the likes of the Krups, IB Farben. He did have popular backing though.

True. Also often forgotten but some of Adolf's main financiers were Wall Street and Henry Ford.

 

[Hypno]

Here is something that is not well understood about the finances in the EU.

Each country has their own banks. Banks in Europe, like anywhere else, are highly leveraged.

Historically banking rules had fixed percentages of leverage that were allowed. Shortly after the beginning of this century, banking in North America and Europe switched to risk-based leverage rules, under something called the Basel accord. What this means is that every asset on a bank's balance sheet is ranked according to risk. If all they have is cash and government bonds, they can be more leveraged than say holding real estate loans.

Here's where it gets interested. Risk based leverage makes sense in theory, but in practice politics intrudes and it goes all facaca. So lets say you have a bank that holds mostly government bonds. The leverage allowed is very high. However, in the EU government bonds are issued by individual countries, Germany, Italy, etc. You can buy the bonds of the weaker countries, like Italy, a little cheaper, so your rate is better, and that is what a lot of French banks did. However, the Italians and Greeks are no longer benefitting from being in the EU and want to leave so they can have their own currency back. If they leave, they will devalue their currency (lira and drachma) relative to the Euro, and when they do those French banks are going to have huge losses, so huge that they may fail.

So as the economic imbalances mount, there is considerable local pressure for the Southern Europeans to leave and start their own currencies, and among some Northern Europeans like France to keep them locked in.

These forces have been apparrent since 2008, but they have kicked the can down the road. I'm not saying this situation is immiment, only inevitable.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

At some point you realise that the creditors are the creditees. It's not like your world or mine where if you default on a loan then the bank kicks into gear and puts a lien on your car or your house.

If one major bank goes then all go, but it's not going to happen precisely for that reason.

All these banks are part of a greater power structure. On a smaller scale Guido says "yeah, I've got 100k, I loaned it to Ralphie" and Ralphie says "yeah, I've got 100k, I loaned it to Jimmy", and Jimmy says "yeah, I've got 100k, I loaned it to Guido".

All of them leverage that same 100k to buy out 300k worth of businesses and take over the neighbourhood. Why would they default by calling each other out on the loans?

The bogeyman of default will be dangled in front of feckless taxpayers and anti-globalists alike, to milk the former and convince the latter to build bunkers in the forest rather than stand up and fight. Between the bankers and the bosses of every national Federal reserve (but I repeat myself) they are in no danger of defaulting. If things ever got dicey they would just yank another 100billion of national debt and threaten the normies with the prospect of waking up to a Mad Max scenario on monday if they didn't pay up.

And the gutless normies will grumble, but they will pay. They will be wiping their asses with worthless hundred dollar bills before they choose a truly hard winter or two.

 

[Richard Turpin]

One thing that puzzles me is how exactly Germany can afford to hold up the EU. I get that they are something of an economic powerhouse, but in recent memory (the former) West Germany has had to pump money into (the former) East Germany in order to ease and maintain unification.

Then it has to carry most of the load for Greece, Italy, Spain, Romania, Bulgaria ....

On top of that, I'm sure I read that Germany still pays reparations money following WW2 (to individuals rather than countries?)

With the UK leaving the EU, they will lose their 3rd or 4th biggest contributor (15% or thereabouts of all contributions).

I just don't see how one country can cope under such financial pressure, just by selling nice cars?

 

[Obermarschall]

What I see are multiple problems... but I will try to sum it up in few categories:

- Education (no critical thinking, no financial 'literacy', indoctrination)
- Financial system (interests especially)
- Multiculturalism (especially in regards with Islam)
- NWO (nations and borders are dissolved in favour of a global superstate)

*Education:
Schools and universities used to teach people valuable stuff. However, their level was also very different back than. You had to study very hard and teacher were much more authoritarian, which I think is not so bad. With the 68-movement, 'authorities' were seen as the devil in person. You have to challenge authorities, teachers are toxic, authoritarian parents are toxic, everything with authority according to the 68-movement is toxic and thus the backbone of most authorities have been broken and what we see is the massive amount of soyboys, betas and cuckolds. Everything became openly left-indoctrinated and it didn't start with the 68's! It started already with the Frankfurt School. Due to the strong influence of the Frankfurt School, literally EVERYWHERE Marx spread like a fungus. In every institution it was inevitable to at least have to write once about Marx. Nowadays you have WHOLE SUBJECTS based on Marx... Other philosophers, schools of thoughts are wiped out and the only places left in the West, are unfortunately only some youtube channels, forums or virtual stuff online where Marx can be 'challenged'. Just the fact that I have to talk about Marx shows how bad our education system became.

Furthermore I want to add, that critical thinking as the school always taught me, is not critical thinking. It is just reading a text, rewriting it and afterwards embellishing it with a left-indoctrinated conclusion. Wow, so critical! The teachers give you an A+... However, when I dared to challenge it and actually came up with my own ideas... I always got this weird look from everyone, like what the hell am I talking... I remember in philosophy classes we had a debate about 'how women were always oppressed'. I said that men are oppressed too, most work accidents happen to men, suicide rates among men are higher, men are always seen as the violent one, when a woman hits a man in a movie it's seen as fun (do the contrary and OMG such a bastard, white knights will start rebelling!) you get the point. The funny part was, they knew I was right, but tried to kick my ideas smoothly off from the discussion, by just saying hm yes it's true and moving on to another topic.

Financial education is non-existant in our schools. Everyone takes it as normal situation to live almost all your lives in debts and to work your ass off just to pay the bank. 'But the house is mine', 'but the car is mine', 'but i need this new smartphone', sure it is yours as long as the bank allows it to be yours. But who cares, it is better to have zombies coming out from these indoctrination camps who pay, who don't ask questions and just do as they are told too. Not too stupid, to execute orders and not too smart to question those orders + if you dare to rise up...hm debts will appear, taxes appear (who wants to read those dry, boring laws about finances and WORSE teach it at schools), you get the picture.

*Financial system:
To be continued

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

One thing that puzzles me is how exactly Germany can afford to hold up the EU. I get that they are something of an economic powerhouse, but in recent memory (the former) West Germany has had to pump money into (the former) East Germany in order to ease and maintain unification.

Then it has to carry most of the load for Greece, Italy, Spain, Romania, Bulgaria ....

On top of that, I'm sure I read that Germany still pays reparations money following WW2 (to individuals rather than countries?)

With the UK leaving the EU, they will lose their 3rd or 4th biggest contributor (15% or thereabouts of all contributions).

I just don't see how one country can cope under such financial pressure, just by selling nice cars?

Less than a third the population of America, in ruins after WW2 (opposite of America) and unlike America, does not print the reserve currency of the world.

It's fair to assume at some point that monetary policy is all just a shell game run by people with a million shells and 999,999 arms. A trillion dollars gets siphoned out of the Pentagon and it gets memory holed after 9/11. Via fractional reserve banking at a reserve rate of 5% it can functionally be laundered at the highest levels and turned into roughly 95 trillion worth of debt. Imagine stealing a trillion bucks and then leveraging it to create more than the entire GDP of the whole world.

Meanwhile us dumb fucks fight tooth and nail over single payer health care or a rise in the pension age.

The elites' biggest threat is dying of laughter.

 

[redpillage]

Agree with this. A few weeks ago, with a television at work showing the latest act of cultural enrichment in the UK, a middle aged woman commented "I'm worried about white terrorism". These people really haven't got a clue.

Honestly at this point I am exhausted by all this shit. After literally tens of thousands of attacks on a local level and dozens of terrorists attack people worry about 'white terrorism'.

I say fuck it - let them all burn and enjoy the fruit of their beloved multiculturalism.

 

[Ski pro]

This wouldn't be like Hitler, this would be largely a civil war: more brutal and twisted than even WW2 was.

Dan Simmons has a phrase for it: the continent of Europe cast back more than five hundred years into sad warring pools of civilisation. I've said it a few times over the past few years, but his Time Traveller story, written 2006, is getting more prophetic all the time.

Didn’t see this first time around. Thanks for the link.

 

[redpillage]

This wouldn't be like Hitler, this would be largely a civil war: more brutal and twisted than even WW2 was.

Dan Simmons has a phrase for it: the continent of Europe cast back more than five hundred years into sad warring pools of civilisation. I've said it a few times over the past few years, but his Time Traveller story, written 2006, is getting more prophetic all the time.

Didn’t see this first time around. Thanks for the link.

Yeah, I read it back then. It's prophetic...

 

[sterling_archer]

Yeah, but not as much as Caliphate by Tom Kratman. Although I find it impossible for the Elites to allow such regime to rule the Europe.

 

[ChicagoFire]

Just added to my reading list! Fun fact, it's night here so I wanted a summary to whet my appetite. Found this thread full of butthurt NPC comments about the author criticizing Islam

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/dan-simmons-goes-off-the-deeper-end.196191/

Now I have to read it tomorrow!

This wouldn't be like Hitler, this would be largely a civil war: more brutal and twisted than even WW2 was.

Dan Simmons has a phrase for it: the continent of Europe cast back more than five hundred years into sad warring pools of civilisation. I've said it a few times over the past few years, but his Time Traveller story, written 2006, is getting more prophetic all the time.

 

[ChicagoFire]

Wow...wow...wow...

The story read like an Edgar Allan Poe story. SPOILER ALERT, don't read any further if you don't want parts of the plot given away.








The author almost certainly has a background in Islamic studies and I'd put odds he's anti-media even back in this time. What are the odds he knew about China stealing technology and American companies whoring themselves out during the Clinton administration? Did he know about the Muslim Brotherhood Century plan back then?

"You haven’t figured that out yet – the majority of you fat, sleeping, smug, infinitely stupid Americans and Europeans.” "

Indeed. I only have my toes wet on this but trust me on this it's true at least for the Americans part in my experience. When you know certain things like the truth about Islam you will be deemed an "Islamophobe" by NPCs. There are some rare individuals on the liberal side that know about Islam and they have wisely not gone public on the issue. On the European side we already see the caliphate expanding and someone told me no go zones have been in place since the 80s in Europe!

I don't think it's more prophetic than it's more a warning of what's to come. Restricting civil liberties is a slippery slope so that was a given. Even just going back to my previous post about the NPC thread on Dan "jumping off the deep end" people really are fucking stupid and this truly is a warning of what's to come! Can't say this more than enough! I think the takeaway of the story is cut the limb off now before the cancer mutates to the whole body. You don't need to be a prophet to see that cancer will kill you, it's merely a warning for you to cut the limb off now.

 

[nek]

One thing that puzzles me is how exactly Germany can afford to hold up the EU. I get that they are something of an economic powerhouse, but in recent memory (the former) West Germany has had to pump money into (the former) East Germany in order to ease and maintain unification.

Then it has to carry most of the load for Greece, Italy, Spain, Romania, Bulgaria ....

On top of that, I'm sure I read that Germany still pays reparations money following WW2 (to individuals rather than countries?)

With the UK leaving the EU, they will lose their 3rd or 4th biggest contributor (15% or thereabouts of all contributions).

I just don't see how one country can cope under such financial pressure, just by selling nice cars?

Less than a third the population of America, in ruins after WW2 (opposite of America) and unlike America, does not print the reserve currency of the world.

It's fair to assume at some point that monetary policy is all just a shell game run by people with a million shells and 999,999 arms. A trillion dollars gets siphoned out of the Pentagon and it gets memory holed after 9/11. Via fractional reserve banking at a reserve rate of 5% it can functionally be laundered at the highest levels and turned into roughly 95 trillion worth of debt. Imagine stealing a trillion bucks and then leveraging it to create more than the entire GDP of the whole world.

Meanwhile us dumb fucks fight tooth and nail over single payer health care or a rise in the pension age.

The elites' biggest threat is dying of laughter.

Can you explain how this works? The whole laundering and turning a trillion into 95 trillion of debt? This is interesting.

 

[nek]

Here is something that is not well understood about the finances in the EU.

Each country has their own banks. Banks in Europe, like anywhere else, are highly leveraged.

Historically banking rules had fixed percentages of leverage that were allowed. Shortly after the beginning of this century, banking in North America and Europe switched to risk-based leverage rules, under something called the Basel accord. What this means is that every asset on a bank's balance sheet is ranked according to risk. If all they have is cash and government bonds, they can be more leveraged than say holding real estate loans.

Here's where it gets interested. Risk based leverage makes sense in theory, but in practice politics intrudes and it goes all facaca. So lets say you have a bank that holds mostly government bonds. The leverage allowed is very high. However, in the EU government bonds are issued by individual countries, Germany, Italy, etc. You can buy the bonds of the weaker countries, like Italy, a little cheaper, so your rate is better, and that is what a lot of French banks did. However, the Italians and Greeks are no longer benefitting from being in the EU and want to leave so they can have their own currency back. If they leave, they will devalue their currency (lira and drachma) relative to the Euro, and when they do those French banks are going to have huge losses, so huge that they may fail.

So as the economic imbalances mount, there is considerable local pressure for the Southern Europeans to leave and start their own currencies, and among some Northern Europeans like France to keep them locked in.

These forces have been apparrent since 2008, but they have kicked the can down the road. I'm not saying this situation is immiment, only inevitable.

Where are these banks borrowing from (the ones that are highly leveraged)? And are the gov't bonds from those weaker countries denominated in Euros? So even if those countries revert to their own currencies, wouldn't the value be maintained in euros (not including the value of the euro changing itself due to the exit of these nations)?

 

[BaatumMania]

It's not well known but this year Saudi Arabia will be the #3rd largest military budget in the world. But as far as I know they're gearing up to contain Iran (not to go on a Jihad into Europe).

 

[N°6]

The terms of the UK’s secession deal suggests that the EU (France and Germany) is serious about what it perceives to be a populist threat.

 

[MrLemon]

Well, the new German leader who is supposed to replace Merkle is wasting no time in showing that she's an insane "Weimar Republic" leftist lesbian freak.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-takes-aim-at-dual-citizenship-idUSKCN1NM0FC

BERLIN (Reuters) - The woman campaigning to succeed Angela Merkel as head of Germany’s Christian Democrats (CDU), said she may consider quotas to get more women in parliament, as she positioned herself for a party election in December.