Show me the evidence that these young guys who aren't getting laid are causing a lot of violence? There are a lot of sexually frustrated young beta white guys in America and they aren't causing violence. It's not sexually frustrated black guys who are causing violence. The ones causing violence are getting laid.It_is_my_time said:
Examples of Beta Anger Sublimation
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J.J. said:
Show you evidence? So you think when young men are not sexually satisfied they don't become violent?
There are sexually frustrated men of all races, and they do cause violence. Others cause violence to prevent from being sexually frustrated because so many young women reward the thugs.
J.J. said:
It's not. Pussy has never been and should not be free. It's the way that pussy is earned nowadays that is bad for society. When pro-social, productive (read: beta) behavior is rewarded with sex, society flourishes. However, when rakish behavior is rewarded with all of the sex to the complete detriment of the provider, there is a problem. People respond to incentives. When more and more beta providers (the type that "built" America) clue into reality, the system will become increasingly unsustainable.
Socialism doesn't work. But there's a reason why we have welfare. All of the billions in the world won't stop the peasants from breaking down your gate if you push them far enough. And beta lions can't show up to cub school with Walthers and Glocks.
Peregrine said:
Exactly. Feminism = socialism. It will never work. It just steals from hard working men and gives to the women with nothing in return. So the hard working men say "to hell with it" and stop working hard and the system collapses.
I'm a very hard working man, but I know I will never meet any women in the USA. I used to have women all over me back in the 1990's, and I had no game at all. I was just a good person, happy, positive and good looking. Now I know game, I know how women work, I know what to say, I actually have money from years of hard work, I've been lifting weights for over 20 years now, and the women seem impossible.
So I work my fingers to the bone....
All just so I can leave the USA and never come back.
J.J. said:
J.J the imbalance of access to pussy in our society is created exactly by the current redistribution of wealth by the state.
One of the major inborn instincts of every woman is the fear of ending up as a single mother. However inborn instincts can either be intensified or diminished depending on the upbringing. For example the inborn fear of heights can be diminished by training to jump with a parachute.
Back to women: Before the redistribution of wealth by the state, a single mother was an outcast of the society (both in recent history and in caveman times). Her life was a sheer misery and she served as a perfect example of what happens to sluts, so other women feared like hell ending up pregnant and dumped by their man. This meant that if an alpha seemed too much of a player and unreliable, she wouldn't even give him a chance and would rather settle for a beta who will at least be dedicated to her and will stay to raise the children.
Sadly today's welfare state greatly diminishes this fear of ending up as a single mother, so women can "experiment" for a whole decade, always trying to get a man at least 3 points higher than herself (on a 1-10 scale), and that's how the alphas of today get much more than their fair share (compared to the alphas in the past), and the access to pussy today is more imbalanced than it ever was in historic or prehistoric times.
Caveman said:
Great post.
A few weeks back I read a young guy post here about something in the 1940's (I think was the shortage of men Europe post WWII) and they said "wow, I bet you didn't even need game to get laid with there being nearly 2 women to 1 guy".
You didn't even need game 15 years ago to get laid in even the USA. It helped greatly, but it sure was not needed. Things have gotten that much worse in the last 15 years.
And even in the last 5 years it has gone from needing game, to having to put your full effort into finding women to compete with Facebook. The amount of hoops you have to jump through as a man in the USA today, avoiding all the anti-male laws, and the other pitfalls (jealous ex, pregnancy bankruptcy, drama BS) just seems to not even make it worth while.
Lucky for me I know what is up. But so many young guys don't and many are starting to give up. We are going the route of all the socialist countries, we are self destructing.
NovaVirtu said:
Disagree.
A lot of these omega guys (ie. George Sodini...though he did appear to have gotten laid in the and even had a daughter) go nuts not because they can't bust a nut. As pointed out, while prostitution is illegal it still is easily available and if it really was just merely the physical act of sex, these guys would have easily been satiated by getting some hooker off of Backpage.
It's not just about actual sexual act and release. A big part of feeling like a man is knowing that you are able to attract and seduce a woman who is attracted to you because of your masculinity. Paying a woman for sex does not satisfy that urge in any way or form. If anything, I would think it would add more to an omega's frustration because it's creates the story in his mind that the only way he can get any woman to pay attention to him is by flashing his cash. Only his money has any worth to women while he the person has none.
Just look at a lot of PUA forums. I get the feeling that a lot of that being able to post a steamy, explicit lay report and getting virtual bro fists is just as gratifying to the guy as being able to have sex with a chick. Just like women get off from having guys paying attention to them since it reassures them of their feminine power, a lot of guys get a similar rush from knowing that they can use their masculine power to get a girl to fall under his spell.
When a man is frustrated in his attempt to express his masculine power in traditional ways such as seducing girls, making money, having accomplishments that other respect - there's a higher chance he'll turn to darker ways to express that drive. That's when we see these mass shootings. These guys are basically saying that if I can't get you to respect me, then I'll get you to fear me.
[/quote]Show me the evidence that these young guys who aren't getting laid are causing a lot of violence? There are a lot of sexually frustrated young beta white guys in America and they aren't causing violence......}
The sexually furstrated white guys:
-join the military
-join the police
-join Corrections
-Homeland Security
-NSA
-FBI
-Marshals
-Customs and Border
--etc....................
these guy go to "WAR" - in military - paramilitary orgs.: War against: Terror, Drugs, Illegals, Domestic Dissidents, Negroes, etc.....
The sexually furstrated white guys:
-join the military
-join the police
-join Corrections
-Homeland Security
-NSA
-FBI
-Marshals
-Customs and Border
--etc....................
these guy go to "WAR" - in military - paramilitary orgs.: War against: Terror, Drugs, Illegals, Domestic Dissidents, Negroes, etc.....
kdolo said:
From my personal experience this is not true, the guys (all races) I served with had a lot of range, some were natural players, a few were omegas and most were somewhere in the middle. Most joined for adventurism, to continue a family tradition, to take part in 'history', to feed their wife and kids, desire to experience combat, love of country, to safeguard their communities, green cards, many reasons some legitimate some misguided.
A lot time spent in uniform isn't spent going to 'WAR' or anything exciting it's doing things you don't want to do like cleaning buildings and equipment, picking up trash, CQ duty, sitting around and waiting, etc. A guy would have more time to chase poosy if he didn't join one of those organizations.
It seems that there is a fundamental split in the manosphere between the angry betas, who make up the ranks of the MRAs, and the more libertine game types.
Personally, I don't have much sympathy for the bitter beta types. They are like feminists in that they expect society to be completely structured to give them what they want. That's not the way the world works. Sorry.
Personally, I don't have much sympathy for the bitter beta types. They are like feminists in that they expect society to be completely structured to give them what they want. That's not the way the world works. Sorry.
A lot time spent in uniform isn't spent going to 'WAR' or anything exciting it's doing things you don't want to do like cleaning buildings and equipment, picking up trash, CQ duty, sitting around and waiting, etc. A guy would have more time to chase poosy if he didn't join one of those organizations.
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The often conscious but largely subconscious drive for people who join is for
-belonging, status, power, value, which males typically want in order to improve their reproductive success (SEX) or as a way to channel such drives in a societally acceptable manner.
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The often conscious but largely subconscious drive for people who join is for
-belonging, status, power, value, which males typically want in order to improve their reproductive success (SEX) or as a way to channel such drives in a societally acceptable manner.
I think the rage comes from feelings of powerlessness. That comes in three forms: sexual, social, and economic.
The sexual aspect has been covered here. The social element is why guys like Sodini exist: they can get laid through hookers, but that doesn't help them fit in. And the economic arena is why you see guys in the city shooting it up even though they're getting pussy left and right.
Feminism has ratcheted up the frustration up to dysfunctional levels on all three fronts.
1). In terms of sexuality, sexual freedom only freed up a few. Because of that, it created an uneven playing field. In the old days, only a few guys were getting any, but most had a chance after marriage if they were even halfway responsible. Now that's completely changed and we have the bad boy/friendzone divide where the guy women would have married is shut out.
This is a byproduct of feminism few saw. And it's created a loose "harem society" that is not "progressive" but a throwback to older societies. Ironically, those societies were truly patriarchal with a few Alphas siring the majority of the kids. This is something feminists don't get or don't care about.
2). Socially. Schools are now designed by and for females and rigged to make boys outcasts. The default position of "boy" today is the disaffected punk or soon-to-be gangster. If this was "90210" there would be no Brandon character -- all the boys would be Dylan. The few "Brandons" would be either gay or nerds because making the bad boy the norm makes the good guy the loser. All of this breeds dysfunction and is probably why our granddads knew what would happen if we put women in charge, but I digress...
3). Economic. This was a deliberate goal of feminism -- to dis-empower men in the workplace. And I don't need to repeat what's happening do I? Schools churn out more women than men (by design) and they take the jobs men would have had in companies built by men, in towns built by men, etc. Men might not understand this first-hand, because they don't teach you in school "men built and designed everything!" (That would probably now qualify as hate speech.) But men get this on an unconscious emotional level.
Affirmative-action for women took the jobs black men would have gotten since whites feel more comfortable around whites (something feminists never address). All of this further disenfranchises the few guys who did survive the school system. And then there's the Divorce Industrial Complex and family courts, all of which strip men of resources and "empower" women.
When you add up 1, 2 and 3 you don't get 4. You get the Angry Beta. And even if guys think they're Alpha, too many bad school or family court experiences have a way of bringing out the Beta Rage. Which was probably the intent all along.
The sexual aspect has been covered here. The social element is why guys like Sodini exist: they can get laid through hookers, but that doesn't help them fit in. And the economic arena is why you see guys in the city shooting it up even though they're getting pussy left and right.
Feminism has ratcheted up the frustration up to dysfunctional levels on all three fronts.
1). In terms of sexuality, sexual freedom only freed up a few. Because of that, it created an uneven playing field. In the old days, only a few guys were getting any, but most had a chance after marriage if they were even halfway responsible. Now that's completely changed and we have the bad boy/friendzone divide where the guy women would have married is shut out.
This is a byproduct of feminism few saw. And it's created a loose "harem society" that is not "progressive" but a throwback to older societies. Ironically, those societies were truly patriarchal with a few Alphas siring the majority of the kids. This is something feminists don't get or don't care about.
2). Socially. Schools are now designed by and for females and rigged to make boys outcasts. The default position of "boy" today is the disaffected punk or soon-to-be gangster. If this was "90210" there would be no Brandon character -- all the boys would be Dylan. The few "Brandons" would be either gay or nerds because making the bad boy the norm makes the good guy the loser. All of this breeds dysfunction and is probably why our granddads knew what would happen if we put women in charge, but I digress...
3). Economic. This was a deliberate goal of feminism -- to dis-empower men in the workplace. And I don't need to repeat what's happening do I? Schools churn out more women than men (by design) and they take the jobs men would have had in companies built by men, in towns built by men, etc. Men might not understand this first-hand, because they don't teach you in school "men built and designed everything!" (That would probably now qualify as hate speech.) But men get this on an unconscious emotional level.
Affirmative-action for women took the jobs black men would have gotten since whites feel more comfortable around whites (something feminists never address). All of this further disenfranchises the few guys who did survive the school system. And then there's the Divorce Industrial Complex and family courts, all of which strip men of resources and "empower" women.
When you add up 1, 2 and 3 you don't get 4. You get the Angry Beta. And even if guys think they're Alpha, too many bad school or family court experiences have a way of bringing out the Beta Rage. Which was probably the intent all along.
j r said:
There's a manosphere subset that adapted to the paradigm shift for their own benefit, yet still recognize that the new way is inherently bad for society. As Tanner at Masculine Style writes, "In a thriving civilization the number of Rakes who can fully embrace this archetype are few and far between. However, they thrive and multiply when societies start the slow march to ruin. Therefore, a good indicator of the health of a given society is the degree of allowance, tolerance, or adoration given to the Rakes." Prime examples that come to mind are Quintus Curtius and scorpion, amongst others. It's the subset that I am working towards.
Spot on. And what greater power is there than the power over life or death? Harris and Klebold were shooting some and sparing others. Playing God.
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The girl to guy ratio where I am right now is atrocious. It's probably something like 7 guys to 1 girl at any given time in any bar or club. It's near impossible to even find a girl you'd want to approach. Can't wait until the South American girls start packing in.
It_is_my_time said:
@It_is_my_time, do you account for the fact you're 20 years older now? Are you going after women your age today or still after 20 year olds? I haven't visited the US since the mid 90s, so information like this is valuable to me in case I consider one day to move abroad, I know the situation has deteriorated a lot in the US, but I'd appreciate if you can give us a more detailed post comparing your experiences then and now, and don't forget to include significant variables, like for example that you're 15 years older now.
Caveman said:
I gave up a few years ago. It seems to just be a sucker's game in the USA. So many thirsty betas out there that the women's expectations are sky high.
But women from any where from 20 to 50 seem to be extremely arrogant. 50 year old women have guys their own age chasing them and young guys who can't get women their own age. 25 year old women have everything handed to them and have no idea how good they have it nor appreciate anything.
And I haven't even started to get into how the VAWA directly hurts men or makes it so that if you were to fuck and chuck a woman can call the cops and have felony charges pressed on you for any number of false accusations.
In the 1990's it seemed you just had to fit into some group. Whether it was some sport, or an academic club, or whatever your interests are. Because the women would come around looking for good men with similar interests to them. I didn't have much game. I was just a tall good looking guy who was very optimistic. And I had women all over me. I still cannot believe some of the women I blew off, women with looks like that today wouldn't even acknowledge I exist.
Today it is miserable. Most guys I know are sexually frustrated and will vent about it when not around women/their women. Whether the men are married, single, dating or players, they all seem to be extremely sexually frustrated. It wasn't like that in the 1990's. Only the married guys complained back then.
j r said:
I thought this was the split as well, coming from the MRA side first.
But after discovering this site, I realize that isn't the case.
It seems to be split among the young guys who think the only goal in life is to get laid and the older/more experienced guys who realize how much damage feminism is doing to our lives.
It_is_my_time said:
I see that split, but I also see a split between guys who focus on their immediate concerns and corner of the world and guys who have a wider societal/global outlook. Neither is better than the other. Different preferences.
Which camp(s) you fall under likely stems from your personality type (MBTI).
Peregrine said:
I disagree though. If you support leftist feminist policies so you can get laid, it is only a matter of time before it destroys your life (false rape charges, pregnancy debtors prison, sexual harassment loss of career) and it destroys everyone else's life.
A man must think beyond the next few days of fun.
It_is_my_time said:
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I hear you, man. I really do. But you've got to stay positive and keep the morale up. Otherwise it's just darkness. Like you, I was a very young guy in the 1990s and it was about the same as today in the US, with the major difference being the internet/social media has made women worse.
Don't abandon yourself to despair. Because then it just becomes a bottomless pit...there's no end to it. You are absolutely right about most of the things you're saying, but you've got to find ways of getting around the obstacles. Those ways are:
1. Travel abroad frequently, or take an extended sabbatical abroad to unplug from the Matrix.
2. Target foreign women here in the US, as G Manifesto does and has advocated. I also do this.
We're living in dark times. If it makes you feel any better, know that this has happened periodically in history. In the early medieval centuries in Europe, the chaos and violence of society drove many men to retreat from the responsibilities of marriage by entering monastic orders. I'm not advocating this, only stating that we are now in a new landscape from what our fathers and grandfathers knew. We need to adapt or we will perish.
Do not despair...I made my resolution on this issue a while ago and that's why I signed up for this stuff here. That's why I do this.
I'm not going to let these fuckheads get the better of me. On the contrary. We're coming after them....hard.