Examples of Beta Anger Sublimation

[It_is_my_time]

It seems that there is a fundamental split in the manosphere between the angry betas, who make up the ranks of the MRAs, and the more libertine game types.

Personally, I don't have much sympathy for the bitter beta types. They are like feminists in that they expect society to be completely structured to give them what they want. That's not the way the world works. Sorry.

I thought this was the split as well, coming from the MRA side first.

But after discovering this site, I realize that isn't the case.

It seems to be split among the young guys who think the only goal in life is to get laid and the older/more experienced guys who realize how much damage feminism is doing to our lives.

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I hear you, man. I really do. But you've got to stay positive and keep the morale up. Otherwise it's just darkness. Like you, I was a very young guy in the 1990s and it was about the same as today in the US, with the major difference being the internet/social media has made women worse.

Don't abandon yourself to despair. Because then it just becomes a bottomless pit...there's no end to it. You are absolutely right about most of the things you're saying, but you've got to find ways of getting around the obstacles. Those ways are:

1. Travel abroad frequently, or take an extended sabbatical abroad to unplug from the Matrix.
2. Target foreign women here in the US, as G Manifesto does and has advocated. I also do this.

We're living in dark times. If it makes you feel any better, know that this has happened periodically in history. In the early medieval centuries in Europe, the chaos and violence of society drove many men to retreat from the responsibilities of marriage by entering monastic orders. I'm not advocating this, only stating that we are now in a new landscape from what our fathers and grandfathers knew. We need to adapt or we will perish.

Do not despair...I made my resolution on this issue a while ago and that's why I signed up for this stuff here. That's why I do this.

I'm not going to let these fuckheads get the better of me. On the contrary. We're coming after them....hard.

I have only given up on the USA. I advise all men to do this. Not just because the women here are so bad and it is so hard to get laid. But because of all the laws and regulations destroying men's lives, all the while the govt. points guns at our backs and tell us to hand over 35% of our pay to support these same terrible women and get nothing in return.

I have not given up on life. I work 90 hours a week on average. All so I can move overseas. TBH, I probably now have enough to move overseas, but I want to make sure I have all my bases covered first.

But I have given up on the USA.

 

[Peregrine]

It seems to be split among the young guys who think the only goal in life is to get laid and the older/more experienced guys who realize how much damage feminism is doing to our lives.

I see that split, but I also see a split between guys who focus on their immediate concerns and corner of the world and guys who have a wider societal/global outlook. Neither is better than the other. Different preferences.

Which camp(s) you fall under likely stems from your personality type (MBTI).

I disagree though. If you support leftist feminist policies so you can get laid, it is only a matter of time before it destroys your life (false rape charges, pregnancy debtors prison, sexual harassment loss of career) and it destroys everyone else's life.

A man must think beyond the next few days of fun.

Not what I meant. A guy focused on immediate concerns and corner of the world doesn't care much about feminism or leftism or thisism/thatism. He's just thinking about how best to get that new bar on-lock to pull. Is this shirt going to improve my odds? NSA spying on American citizens? Meh, doesn't affect me. Nothing to hide.

Granted, I have a hard time relating as I fall firmly into the latter camp (and should be focusing on more local and immediate concerns as a matter of personal balance).

Someone who knowingly supports leftist feminist policies because it has short term benefits for him, without regard to others or long term consequences, is a fraud (to borrow Taleb's favorite label). Frauds should be tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rusty rail.

 

[Jaydublin]

So What is your take on a time frame like the 20s I dont think men were having lots of sex then unless they were married or nearly married and I've never heard much abut random acts of violence. I blame the current trend more on entitled kids more than anything.

I could be completely wrong but having easy pussy is a relatively new thing isnt it?

I believe that we are going to see an up-swing of "random" acts of violence in the coming future.

It has been argued that most of these are caused by frustrated young men.

It can be argued that all the mass shootings were done by guys like that. Also, the new knockout game trend is an example of what I think is anger arising from not having constant sex.

I also think a lot of the "terrorist" movements generated in the middle east stem from this as well.

Here is a place to post about these kinds of atrocities. Please avoid posting gore/troll videos.

 

[Merenguero]

The girl to guy ratio where I am right now is atrocious. It's probably something like 7 guys to 1 girl at any given time in any bar or club. It's near impossible to even find a girl you'd want to approach. Can't wait until the South American girls start packing in.

I believe summer vacation for Argentine universities starts in sixteen days.

 

[Jaydublin]

Things wouldn't change much if prostitution was legal. There's massage parlors and backpage escorts everywhere here. Most guys think its creepy to go that route and would rather jack off while thinking about their female BFF. America has done a good job of making a bunch of sexually frustrated pussies.

But a lot of guys are afraid because its Illegal.... nobody want to get busted by the cops on a prostitution sting. Also, IMO there was much much higher class brothels and hookers. Go look at a brother in Nevada and compare it to a brothel in any other random state.

 

[Peregrine]

So What is your take on a time frame like the 20s I dont think men were having lots of sex then unless they were married or nearly married and I've never heard much abut random acts of violence. I blame the current trend more on entitled kids more than anything.

I could be completely wrong but having easy pussy is a relatively new thing isnt it?

That's the thing - most men at that time were able to get married and stay married. Unless you were a total deadbeat fuck up, you could find a girl (that you found attractive) who would be willing to sign on to your team and provide sex in return for provisioning. This cottage industry that has sprung up around "game" shows just how out of whack things have gotten. Meeting women should be straightforward and was for a long time. The fact that you now need the equivalent of a four year degree and three internship's worth of experience to have any semblance of success is telling.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

This is a great thread, probing the deepest, darkest issues.

At some point, we have to take a firm stand and say "no more." Not one further retreat, not one further step backward. For me, I've crossed my own Rubicon on this a while back and I refuse to abandon myself to despair. We're the ones who are right, and history will prove us right.

Feminism and all this related spinoff shit created all these problems, and by some accident of history, it has fallen on our shoulders to have to deal with it. Bad luck? Maybe. But that's life. I refuse to abandon myself to despair. If you have an escape plan, then go for it and don't look back. Sharpen your tomahawk and wait for the day of reckoning. And be prepared for anything. And if it means being single for the rest of my life, so be it. Fuck it, and fuck society.

Because this shit is spreading all over the world. I got an email today from a Brazilian friend who lives a small Brazilian city near Sao Paolo. He told me a story that illustrates this point.

Last night he picked up a girl and brought her back to his apartment. She gave him some last minute resistance and then finally came to his bed. But then she started to say shit like, "my pleasure is more important than yours", and show signs of selfishness and bitchiness. He got pissed off and basically threw her ass out. He was asking me if he did the right thing and I said "Hell yes."

He then went on to explain that he's noticing that a lot of guys are starting to become and act more effeminate than they used to be, compared with 5 or ten years ago. Women are becoming more bitchy, more "50 Shades of Grey", and more responsive to beta male behavior than they used to. Essentially, he's noticing that alpha behavior seems to be not as rewarded as beta behavior (being sneaky, passive aggressive, indecisive, etc).

Bottom line: feminization of the male member of the species is creeping all over the planet. It is happening. So we've got to find ways of fighting back. And I consider this Forum and ROK a key part of that combat.

 

[It_is_my_time]

This is a great thread, probing the deepest, darkest issues.

At some point, we have to take a firm stand and say "no more." Not one further retreat, not one further step backward. For me, I've crossed my own Rubicon on this a while back and I refuse to abandon myself to despair. We're the ones who are right, and history will prove us right.

Feminism and all this related spinoff shit created all these problems, and by some accident of history, it has fallen on our shoulders to have to deal with it. Bad luck? Maybe. But that's life. I refuse to abandon myself to despair. If you have an escape plan, then go for it and don't look back. Sharpen your tomahawk and wait for the day of reckoning. And be prepared for anything. And if it means being single for the rest of my life, so be it. Fuck it, and fuck society.

Because this shit is spreading all over the world. I got an email today from a Brazilian friend who lives a small Brazilian city near Sao Paolo. He told me a story that illustrates this point.

Last night he picked up a girl and brought her back to his apartment. She gave him some last minute resistance and then finally came to his bed. But then she started to say shit like, "my pleasure is more important than yours", and show signs of selfishness and bitchiness. He got pissed off and basically threw her ass out. He was asking me if he did the right thing and I said "Hell yes."

He then went on to explain that he's noticing that a lot of guys are starting to become and act more effeminate than they used to be, compared with 5 or ten years ago. Women are becoming more bitchy, more "50 Shades of Grey", and more responsive to beta male behavior than they used to. Essentially, he's noticing that alpha behavior seems to be not as rewarded as beta behavior (being sneaky, passive aggressive, indecisive, etc).

Bottom line: feminization of the male member of the species is creeping all over the planet. It is happening. So we've got to find ways of fighting back. And I consider this Forum and ROK a key part of that combat.

Great post.

I plan to leave the USA, but I know the fight will remain regardless. We have the rich bankers controlling world economies and pushing this shit to bankrupt families and help de-populate the globe. And it will be one hell of an uphill battle, but I don't want other men and future men to have to go through the shit the men in the USA have to go through on an average day.

 

[InternationPlayboy]

Yep merenguero, the argentines and Brazilians should be packing in soon. They should be coming in around Christmas. By January it will be full swing South Americans everywhere. I expect a lot of Brazilians this year because last year a lot of them couldn't come because of a teacher strike in brazil. They were all stuck in school so couldn't get visas.

 

[The Beast1]

Which camp(s) you fall under likely stems from your personality type (MBTI).

Elaborate on this more. I'm an ENFP and totally interested in the stereotypes you've picked up

It's good to see this being talked about on the forum. I've been in a sort of rut lately regarding all of these issues. I don't think the US is going to reach a dark ages level of societal shutdown, but I do see society stagnating in ways that will alienate a lot of men on the lower rungs of our society.

I'm going to start learning Japanese. Might try my luck in Asia. That will be fun. But I am getting tired of this country.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Damn, reading this is depressing.

American can be phenomenal.

If it is not:

1. You are doing it wrong.

2. You might have low testosterone.

 

[Screwston]

Agree with gmanifesto. Does being a horny pervert mean you have high testosterone? Serious question.

Ways to stand out in America - approach women and don't act like a captain save a ho. Top 1%. I love having porno sex on the first date! Must suck to be a hardheaded white knight.

 

[la_mode]

I've said it before. When you factor in the women with multiple baby daddy's, fat women, and the ones who are happy as long they have beta orbiters nonstop - the US is almost as bad as China in terms of ratios. It might even be worse.

Also, the illegal immigration wave of the 90s to mid 2000's brought in more men. I'm not sure the statistics on it, but something like 3 illegal immigrant men for every 1 illegal immigrant woman.

The prostitution angle is something that I'll address too.

It should be legalized. I see it in bars across America, whether it be a smaller or big city, so many single guys just go out with the intent to drink themselves into oblivion because they know the chance of bringing home a woman they like is very low, or they go for a woman they aren't even attracted to, just as some sort of sexual mitigation, since it is a biological need for men.

There's always gonna be wackos regardless, but it would definitely be good for society. Feminists don't want men to have easy access to sex. Fat women know their stock value would plummet from thirsty dudes. At the same time, those guys typically don't want them, and only need to get off. The ratios don't help. I do believe there would be less drunk drivers if it were legalized, considering a big reason guys get so drunk is only because they're not bringing a woman home. When men went on dates, they wouldn't so focused on sex and could probably actually enjoy the date and get to know the person instead of running a dinner/bar tab wondering is she's gonna go home with him. Any woman (even fat) has her fan club on facebook, and ratios are partially to blame.

Even with all the gays, men in prison, stationed overseas, there are more men in the 18-44 age bracket.

Only in America is abortion legal, but prostitution is not.

 

[Quintus Curtius]

I've said it before. When you factor in the women with multiple baby daddy's, fat women, and the ones who are happy as long they have beta orbiters nonstop - the US is almost as bad as China in terms of ratios. It might even be worse.

Also, the illegal immigration wave of the 90s to mid 2000's brought in more men. I'm not sure the statistics on it, but something like 3 illegal immigrant men for every 1 illegal immigrant woman.

The prostitution angle is something that I'll address too.

It should be legalized. I see it in bars across America, whether it be a smaller or big city, so many single guys just go out with the intent to drink themselves into oblivion because they know the chance of bringing home a woman they like is very low, or they go for a woman they aren't even attracted to, just as some sort of sexual mitigation, since it is a biological need for men.

There's always gonna be wackos regardless, but it would definitely be good for society. Feminists don't want men to have easy access to sex. Fat women know their stock value would plummet from thirsty dudes. At the same time, those guys typically don't want them, and only need to get off. The ratios don't help. I do believe there would be less drunk drivers if it were legalized, considering a big reason guys get so drunk is only because they're not bringing a woman home. When men went on dates, they wouldn't so focused on sex and could probably actually enjoy the date and get to know the person instead of running a dinner/bar tab wondering is she's gonna go home with him. Any woman (even fat) has her fan club on facebook, and ratios are partially to blame.

Even with all the gays, men in prison, stationed overseas, there are more men in the 18-44 age bracket.

Only in America is abortion legal, but prostitution is not.

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This is a damn good comment. Rep point from me, La Mode.

QC

 

[soup]

Houston, it stands to reason that to be a prrvert, you'd have to be a guy with low testosterone and high interest in sex.

In this case sex would be mostly in your head, and might be a false drive if you aren't feeling a physical not aviation driving you.

 

[LowerCaseG]

I think most of us are in agreement on the general trend. Feminism, an anti-masculinity are bad for us individually and for society as a whole. I've always been a non-interventionalist type, but I think those of you that think some kind of movement can be formed to turn the tide back to the good old days are...well...let's say misguided. First, realize that whenever the Feminist hurricane takes a right turn and goes out to sea, we're not going back to the way it was. It will be something new and different. Second, the best resistance is a silent resistance. Telling women to get back in the kitchen is simply not a winning message. You may choose a more nuanced slogan, but society is going to hear, "Women go back in the kitchen and have babies and shut up." These women are only going to be convinced once they are staring at each other in their spinster colonies wondering what happened while we are all cavorting around the planet with women half our age.

It's my time. Thank you for sharing your opinion, I agree with your general proposition that USA is beat. It seems like you may have had a bad experience with some sort of false accusation from your posts. That would obviously be a traumatic experience. I don't like American women or paying taxes either. But I don't call my congressman or watch fox news. I save my money so I can spend it abroad, and I get enough pussy from mediocre women to keep me sane. I do not want to spend my disposable income inside the US if I can help it, within reason of course. Yes, it's a minefield out there with accusatory women, especially if you have a strong personality.

Prostitution should be legal. Dudes are banging chicks in jizz soaked booths in strip clubs. I agree with the comment that banging a hooker does not satisfy your masculinty because you haven't seduced her etc...However, having some classy whorehouses around I think would be a net positive for this male frustration problem. More Importantly, it would put pressure on the non prostitutes to bring something to the table. The beta would then say, "Why am I going to spend x dollars taking a girl out when I can bang and 8 for the same amount of money?"

Porn: I don't think porn helps release any frustration whatsoever. I was most frustrated when I was watching the most porn, in the mid 2000's. I've probably jerked off to porn two or three times in the last 18 months. I am 100% a better person for it. Porn certainly dulls your ability to relate to the opposite sex, and impedes your ability to flirt with a girl in a normal way with out projecting that you want to nut on her glasses with the first thing out of your mouth.
Side note: Noticing a disturbing trend of girls now watching a lot of porn. Yet another example of them wanting to be men. Topic for another thread.

I can't put my finger on it exactly, but I think the increasing police state has something to do with these violent episodes. Everywhere you turn, there is a police car, or a cop on detail, or a video camera. Now we all realize they are watching us inside our homes as well. There is no escape. I think the feeling of powerlessness that permeates society as a result of this is also a factor. Previous posters speak of powerlessness from not getting laid, but there are multiple sources of powerlessness now, and I think the police state is a big one.

Another source of powerless...We have now conceded as citizens that our votes do not count, and we cannot change anything. Maybe you individually still think you can affect change. But the majority of people do not believe this and have given up. Back in the day, a march in the street meant something. Now you have to get a permit. Back in the day, if a government official was caught doing something wrong, and god forbid it should hit the paper, he would immediately resign. Now, nobody is embarrassed about anything.

Where is our source of power? Our wallets. Thankfully, most of us are not dumping our resources into marriages. Seems like many of you choose to rent. That is debatable. Not many of you are into having children. I think you can extend this into other areas. One example off the top of my head...Black Friday Shopping. This is a woman's endeavor. Don't support it. It's stupid and ridiculous. Those of you that may have daughters, don't splurge for an opulent wedding. You get the idea.

 

[iknowexactly]

Sadly today's welfare state....

Pretty well argued idea, unfortunately your fundamental premise is completely wrong. There is a welfare state, but it moves money UP, not DOWN for the most part.

The state is an agent of the rich , and the bottom line has been massive concentration of wealth at the top over the last 30 years, not the other way around as you seem to mistakenly believe.

The fact many people believe this shows the success of the .01% brainwashing efforts.

Here's some graphs for you to correct your information.

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wealth_distro.jpg

 

[amuseBouche]

Are you guys sure the anger would materialize into violence? Afterall, we are living in the most peaceful time in human history. Since the leviathan will only grow larger, I see us headed more towards the likes of Japan, England, and Scandinavia. Also, in a less civilized time without an overseeing authority handing out the punishment, people used to hurt and kill the person standing next them just because they had a discomforting thought. And if you think we've evolved past that, consider that as recent as 1969, while the Montreal police went on strike for 16 hours, grudges, vendettas, and revenge were carried out freely.

Here's a thought experiment. What would happen if your local police were removed completely? Would you depend on the goodness of people to uphold peace? Even if you were a upstanding citizen; what would you do if someone hurt you or a family member?

We live in a great time. Don't let reductionist thinking make you devalue America.

 

[Caveman]

Sadly today's welfare state....

Pretty well argued idea, unfortunately your fundamental premise is completely wrong. There is a welfare state, but it moves money UP, not DOWN for the most part.

The state is an agent of the rich , and the bottom line has been massive concentration of wealth at the top over the last 30 years, not the other way around as you seem to mistakenly believe.

The fact many people believe this shows the success of the .01% brainwashing efforts.

Here's some graphs for you to correct your information.

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/wealth_distro.jpg

@iknowexactly, my premise is not wrong.

The welfare state redistributes wealth from the productive to the unproductive, and unproductive are both the ruling elite and the poorest layers of society.

Historically the rich (kings, sultans, etc) took all for themselves and their cronies and maybe threw a few peanuts to the poorest.

But today when we realize that it's not right to take from the workers and give to the king so he can build a bigger and more opulent palace, the rulers need a better excuse for extorting wealth from the productive workers.

And all the moral arguments are now touted as an excuse, the poor people, the single mothers, the sick elderly, etc. But not only as an excuse, they also have to actually give a significant fraction (maybe half of it, I don't know) to the poor so that their game of enriching the elite would not be so obvious.

To make it more visual (and extremely simplified) the arrows on the right show the flow of wealth:

|-----------------------|
|~1% ruling elite       |<---|
|-----------------------|    |
|~70% productive workers|==>=|
|-----------------------|    |
|~30% "people in need"  |<---|
|-----------------------|

And probably the worst result of this redistribution of wealth is that it penalizes production and rewards leeching, so the "people in need" class which should've been around 3% or 5% has swelled today to 30% or 50% (depends how you measure it) and it's not an insignificant expense for the state, so the money today moves both UP and DOWN, and the DOWN portion is probably about equal to the UP portion.

 

[Ingocnito]

My roommate and I talk about this a lot. Our country is bankrupt. There are little to no opportunities for young men. Construction work has come to a stand still. College reserves spots for women to study English and Women's Studies. Even if you have a college degree, finding a job is still very difficult.

Then you add to that, it is very difficult to get laid in the USA. With women using Facebook to get all their desired male attention. And living off of daddy or living off of the govt., they have little to no use for men. So only the men with the best game seem to get enough sex to be satisfied.

All the while we have police wasting our tax dollars setting up prostitution stings.

The end result is a very violent society. The American people need to wake the hell up before we become a 3rd world country.

After hitting many of these dead-end realizations, a guy has 3 choices really.

1) Accept the abysmal state as reality, remain blue-pill and essentially continue to become more like the shell of a woman we see.. thus white-knightdom prevails and becomes their identity.

2) Recognize all of it (or most) and see the big picture, start to swallow the red-pill but then do nothing about it. -Or-

3) Step away and see the real big picture, take the red pill and begin to do something about it.

If it there were a few tough obstacles, pussy being one of them for men in the U.S., I don't think we'd see all these wack jobs flippin out.

The real issue seems to be push back on masculinity across the board, it's always taken your time, money, or emotions to nail high quality broads, but never so much to accomplish everything else.