Executive Order on Transgender Sports: The Beginning of the End for Women's Rights in the US?

[Serie A1]

Hey there Ladies,
I hope that this post finds you all having a pleasant and relaxing weekend.

Following Joseph R. Biden's recent Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation (20th January 2021), biological males who self-identify as females will shortly be legally entitled to compete in female sports in the United States of America.

Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation - The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Policy. Every person should be treated with respect and dignity and should be able to live without fear, no matter who they are or whom they...

www.whitehouse.gov

Some critics (such as Abigail Shrier writing in The Wall Street Journal) have pointed out that this move has potentially quite serious implications not just in terms of the law, but for the very viability of women's spaces within American society.

My questions to you are:

1. What do you think of this piece of law on an emotional level?

2. Are the critics right to suggest that this law represents a major cultural imposition, or is it being blown out of proportion?

3. From a strictly legal perspective, is this a backwards step for women's rights in the United States – or not?

As ever, it would be great to get your thoughts on this emerging topic.

 

[Kitty Tantrum]

This is the punchline to the joke that women's sports was in the first place.

 

[muhtea]

 

[Starlight]

This EO makes me so angry and sad. My daughters play sports and it is a wonderful opportunity for them to stay healthy and active while, also, engaging in leadership/motivational roles and female camaraderie. The EO will completely ruin that experience for them. It also makes me very concerned for their safety when they’re in high school if boys are really going to be allowed into the girls locker room

I don’t see how sports clubs could seriously follow this order. They already have rules in place where teams have to be separated by their biological sex (unless it’s a co-ed team) and real age. How is that technically not already a discrimination? I imagine the club’s defense could be that they don’t exclude anyone from playing but that they have to be on a team with players of their biological sex.

In “real life” applications, I see ample opportunities for teams to cheat by having a “trans girl” on their team. It reminds me of that movie Ladybugs where the boy dresses up like a girl to help the girls team win.

 

[muhtea]

1. While I don't really care about the "women's rights" angle, I do think this is ridiculous and unfair. It's ridiculous of those men to want to compete against women and it's unfair to the female athletes because even the worst male is generally stronger than the best female. What a joke. Extremely lame.

2. I agree with the critics, it's a major cultural imposition and also a moral imposition. It makes it illegal to call a spade a spade and discriminate accordingly. We're allowed to discriminate against men who know they're men competing in women's events but not against men calling themselves women.

3. I don't really know, but I'm inclined to say yes, since if men start competing against women on a large enough scale, it leaves women in the lurch with nowhere to go to compete amongst themselves without being accused of the cardinal sin of "discrimination". Women and girls will lose motivation to join sports if they know they have no chance of winning against some silly man pretending to be a woman. The long term outcome, if it goes that far, is "women's" sports that's nothing but delusional, second rate men.

 

[muhtea]

How is that technically not already a discrimination?

It is, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[tractor]

3. From a strictly legal perspective, is this a backwards step for women's rights in the United States – or not?

This new proposition only demonstrates that - strictly speaking - the concept of "women's rights" is nonsense. When you stop talking about "rights in general" which accomodate all people and introduce women's rights, niggers' rights, children's rights and so forth you step on the slippery slope of intersectionality.

Right now, women are falling prey to the same thing they celebrated generations ago. Not fun when perverts get some freedom at your expense., eh? But what do men know, right?

 

[Serie A1]

Some glimpse-of-the-future footage from a state athletics trial in Connecticut (2018):

 

[Serie A1]

Intriguingly, even other sections of the LGBTQI+ community seem to be realising the potential damage that this executive order could do:

Martina Navratilova seeks provision to Joe Biden's executive order for transgender participation in sports (03/02/2021)

'Tennis champion Martina Navratilova on Wednesday called for a special provision to be made for elite sport after President Joe Biden signed an executive order designed to allow equal transgender participation in school sports.

'In an interview with BBC Radio 4, Navratilova proposed a separate provision from the executive order to ensure a level playing field in elite women's sports.

'The Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation, signed Jan. 20, is intended to enable transgender women who have gone through male puberty to compete in women's sports.

'Navratilova, who won 18 Grand Slam singles titles, said she supported moves toward equality but that the physical advantages for transgender women competitors who had gone through male puberty were "pretty obvious."'

Navratilova eyes proviso to trans executive order

Martina Navratilova is part of a group seeking to have a special provision added to President Joe Biden's executive order for transgender participation in sports that would ensure a level playing field in elite women's sports.

www.espn.co.uk

 

[Starlight]

It is, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I agree. It makes me wonder how enforceable the EO will actually be. I imagine private clubs will have more wiggle room than public/collegiate sports. If separating teams based on biological sex is now considered discriminatory (legally speaking), why even have men’s or women’s sports? Make all sports co-ed... but then there wouldn’t be any women playing sports and we’ve come full-circle back to why separate teams exist.

 

[Kitty Tantrum]

To be clear, when I talk about "women's sports" being a joke, I don't mean to say that women and girls shouldn't play sports, or anything like that.

What I'm digging at is that institutionalized, commercialized/incentivized, competitive sports for women and girls, such as would be subject to scrutiny under this EO, were never really safe havens for women and girls to strive for excellence to begin with, any moreso than Hollywood.

Most televised "women's sports" exist for the primary purpose of showing off women's bodies in a socially acceptable way, and at best are little more than low-key exploitation. Youth sports in general is a YUUUGE funnel for child-sex-trafficking.

This isn't a "women's rights" issue and I refuse to use that verbiage or engage with the argument on that premise at all. This is just blatantly cranking up the dial on the obviousness of cultural subversion and perversion.

This is them magnifying the fine print that they used to hide, rubbing our noses in it, and demanding that we capitulate to it.

P.S. the fine print says: eventually you have to let us rape your children.

They wanna push trannies on us, they want to incentivize and glorify the tranny-fication of children... I'm not going to mince around the issue by pretending my objections have anything to do with competitive fairness to people who were born with ovaries.

Let's talk about the fact that this was all part of the plan since the program's inception.

 

[Starlight]

Some glimpse-of-the-future footage from a state athletics trial in Connecticut (2018)

Reminds me of when “Rachel” McKinnon won the Women’s Cycling World Championship:

 

[Luna Novem]

I do not at all agree with "transgender women" being involved in anything with real women. This includes sports, bathrooms, Girl Scouts, etc. I also don't think "transgender men" should be involved in anything with real men. (Although I don't know that that happens as much). Basically, I think the entire transgender movement is nonsense and ought to be looked upon as nonsense.

 

[Starlight]

Well, it finally happened. My daughter’s competitive soccer team was destroyed today by a team with a “trans girl” (an obvious boy) on it.

 

[Durden347]

I do not at all agree with "transgender women" being involved in anything with real women. This includes sports, bathrooms, Girl Scouts, etc. I also don't think "transgender men" should be involved in anything with real men. (Although I don't know that that happens as much). Basically, I think the entire transgender movement is nonsense and ought to be looked upon as nonsense.

Generally, the transgender men (AKA Fake Men) blend in well enough with the general population so you don't notice them as much. The other type, transgender women (AKA Fake Women), generally tend to not pass as well that is why you are more likely to notice them more. Apparently, testosterone creates more noticeable changes in the female body than estrogen in the male body. Once a transgender man starts taking the male hormones, they start to resemble a man (though a smaller man since men are bigger than women on average).

 

[CaliforniaBased]

The athlete Reka is from Hungary and competes for an American college.

 

[Don Quixote]

Hey there Ladies,
I hope that this post finds you all having a pleasant and relaxing weekend.

Following Joseph R. Biden's recent Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation (20th January 2021), biological males who self-identify as females will shortly be legally entitled to compete in female sports in the United States of America.

Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation - The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Policy. Every person should be treated with respect and dignity and should be able to live without fear, no matter who they are or whom they...

www.whitehouse.gov

Some critics (such as Abigail Shrier writing in The Wall Street Journal) have pointed out that this move has potentially quite serious implications not just in terms of the law, but for the very viability of women's spaces within American society.

My questions to you are:

1. What do you think of this piece of law on an emotional level?

2. Are the critics right to suggest that this law represents a major cultural imposition, or is it being blown out of proportion?

3. From a strictly legal perspective, is this a backwards step for women's rights in the United States – or not?

As ever, it would be great to get your thoughts on this emerging topic.

Does this go the opposite direction as well? A woman who claims to be a man can join the NFL for example?

 

[EuropeanCanon]

Hey there Ladies,
I hope that this post finds you all having a pleasant and relaxing weekend.

Following Joseph R. Biden's recent Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation (20th January 2021), biological males who self-identify as females will shortly be legally entitled to compete in female sports in the United States of America.

Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation - The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Policy. Every person should be treated with respect and dignity and should be able to live without fear, no matter who they are or whom they...

www.whitehouse.gov

Some critics (such as Abigail Shrier writing in The Wall Street Journal) have pointed out that this move has potentially quite serious implications not just in terms of the law, but for the very viability of women's spaces within American society.

My questions to you are:

1. What do you think of this piece of law on an emotional level?

2. Are the critics right to suggest that this law represents a major cultural imposition, or is it being blown out of proportion?

3. From a strictly legal perspective, is this a backwards step for women's rights in the United States – or not?

As ever, it would be great to get your thoughts on this emerging topic.

This is just demented.

 

[Sgt]

I think it is a necessary development in the sports world - we have to go down this path before we have a chance of things getting better. Professional sports has been a festival of globohomo culture anyway - it needs to be destroyed before it can rise again.

Sports have a great purpose in civil society, but the focus needs to be on the local level and making large parts of the population actively participate in sports instead of being a consumer of content relating to sports.

If this helps push people away from pofessional sports, it serves a common good. Regarding you own children, if they really need a competitive angle to be motivated - I don't think that regional competitions will see many trans athletes, because they are too easily mocked and bullied on that stage.

But I question the competitive angle anyway - sports can be done for the love of the sport itself and for the many benefits it holds in store for you if you actively participate. For the biggest part, we don't need the competitive angle anyway.

 

[Hypno]

Like we used to say on the old forum, "Enjoy the decline!"

The one thing in this order is that it highlights the differences between men and women. Even lefty women have to acknowledge that men are physically superior, and that transgender wome are still men. The Emperor has no clothes.

The other thing it does, as KT noted above, is that it calls into question why women compete separately from men. In some sports, like weightlifting, there is some basis for this, but golf? Tennis? Archery? Also, why do women have a set aside of separate sports leagues but not Asians or blacks? A lot of the revenue sports have disproportionate representatoin of Africans and under-representation of whites, latinos, and asians. It was bad enough that the numbers were out of whack, but now the sports networks are shoving these lady sports like softball and soccer down our throats. These "sports" are vastly inferior: softball is played on a little leage field, literally, and the USMNT lost to a boys' U-15 team in Dallas a few years ago.