Experiences that made you question the nature of existence/reality

[sterling_archer]

In short what I wanted to say.

What happened to BB is familiar and seen all around the world. Things really function like that. This world is weird and doesn't function like most people think. On the subatomic level, laws of physics almost don't apply. This is MSM science, what about occult? Things are even weirder there.
Anyway, people hear about some "ghost case" and it's word by word like the BB described. Even premonitions in dreams are told by people almost in same manner. So what is behind all this phenomena?

In short, collective subconsciousness. In long, here is a bit detailed explanation.

GHOSTS
Ghost phenomenon can be approached in two different ways:
- person doing/creating it unwillingly
- real entity

I am willing to bet that in BB case it involves first one, but I will not exclude the second one. Key element in post is puberty. This is time of great change in one's body. Hormones are firing non stop, mood swings, what not and all that combined can produce ghost phenomenon. If the necessary prerequisites are met, person's own subconsciousness will manifest. Let's say that group of three 15 year olds enter decrepit building which is marked in urban legends as ghost spot and being haunted. Let's say it's very damp outside, these kids might have drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes, had fight with their parents, they are still in puberty of course, etc. All this combined could produce for them group sighting. What is interesting that when questioned one by one, each might tell a different version of the story. They speak truth but truth is subjective in their case. Unfortunately, because of this a lot of stories are disregarded as hoaxes.

In the second case, there might be real entities that might in some particular case manifest as a weird shadow, or feeling, with the latter being more common. I don't want to get too much into this as this is subject to itself.

DREAMS
They again involve subconsciousness. Dreams are exercises of the brain, but as they are part of collective, ultimately, information can travel between several people. Premonitions could be regarded as messages from another person's "higher self". In this case it's almost like his sister knew what will happen and then sent the information to sleeping BB. She didn't consciously knew what will happen, but it's a whole different thing on subconscious level.

 

[debeguiled]

I really want to hear about this. Willing to share details? Did anyone else see you during this lost time and tell you about stuff you did?

It all started one Sunday 2 summers ago. I wasn't feeling well and as I was laying down on my couch, I felt something vibrating against my leg. A small portion of my couch was pulsating. I freaked out and called my Mom. I didn't tell her about the couch but i said i wasn't feeling well. My mother told my sister about it (who lives an hour away) and she came over to see how i was. We decided for me to spend the night at her place. My memory is fuzzy after that. I remember a portion of the ride over to my sister's place. I remember seeing several doctors the next few days. Eventually my full memory returned and I was sitting on a Hospital bed. My mom told me they decided to admit me because my blood pressure got a little high. But I had no memory of entering the hospital. My blood pressure came back down I was later released.

I never told anyone what happened.

That sounds medical, which is good news, because it means you probably don't have multiple personality disorder, the folks who have the biggest problems with losing time.

 

[Moses_]

I’ve always been a non believer when it comes to supernatural phenomena but since I've started to experiment with psychedelics a few years ago, I'm much more open to the idea. While tripping, I've had a feeling that there is much more to reality then we can perceive. I know drugs are mostly responsible for this feeling but it has stayed with me ever since.

Although I've never had any significant experiences myself, my parents have. My father's story of him being visited by a night demon as a teenager comes to kind. He wakes up in the middle of the night hearing a deep whisper in his ear, that he can only describe as the voice of a demon. He tried to get up, move and yell but was frozen, unable to move anything but his eyes. This lasted for what felt like minutes and the voice and force holding him disappeared, leaving him soaked in sweat.

He told this to his grandma a few days later who immediately asked him what he did. She told him when people do bad things, they are sometimes visited by a night demon. Sure enough he had just been in a fight and beaten this other kid pretty bad.

Although this case of sleep paralysis might have been something else, he assured me that something unnatural happened that night. He and my mother also told me a story of being visited by my great grandmothers ghost while staying in her old cabin.

I'm not sure I believe any of this was supernatural, but my father would never lie to me and I trust his judgment more then anyone I know. I can't help but think there is much more to life and the universe.

 

[sterling_archer]

Sleep paralysis + slight feeling of guilt made this experience for your father. Like I said his before, subconsciousness manifested as a voice of "demon". Regarding what his grandma said, well that is just how people interpret these phenomena. It's always some kind of "chinese whispers" passed generation by generation.

 

[sterling_archer]

Minor event that might display transfer of unknown information during dreams.

I was about 12 (notice my age) and was almost a frequent sleepwalker. This is what my mom told me one morning:

Night before I went out the room sleepwalking and sat myself in the living room on a couch. My mom was there as she was watching television. She heard me repeat several times: "Luna, there is no moon". She thought what a weird nonsensical thing to say, so she took me by arm and led me to bed.

Fast forward 2 months. I got from my grandpa big encyclopedia as I was an avid reader at that time and stumbled about article about sleepwalking. I wasn't particularly interested by my eyes caught one sentence. It said "Luna is the latin word for Moon and..." or something like that.
"Luna, there is no moon" kept echoing in my head and feeling of intense dread took over my body.

Years passed and I still believe I didn't hear meaning of word Luna before my sleepwalking episode on TV, in newspapers or whatever.

 

[debeguiled]

Sleep paralysis + slight feeling of guilt made this experience for your father. Like I said his before, subconsciousness manifested as a voice of "demon". Regarding what his grandma said, well that is just how people interpret these phenomena. It's always some kind of "chinese whispers" passed generation by generation.

The problem with understanding supernatural experiences is that there is always a reasonably plausible explanation that can dismiss them out of hand.

People who undergo these sorts of things usually have a gut reaction that they are experiencing something out of the ordinary, something that is, in many cases "realer than real."

Neither science nor psychology will ever have a way of measuring this or explaining it, but they pretend to.

It all relates to the character of the person having the experience, and their truthfulness, and their ability to distinguish the unsettling from the supernatural.

Dismissing experiences like this with easy explanations (sleep paralysis + guilt), satisfying as it is, doesn't really add to the discussion.

Too easy.

Jesus wasn't a savior, he was just a guy who ate mushrooms.

Saints in past times didn't levitate, they just jumped real high in smoky dark rooms and people back then were stupid and couldn't figure it out.

There are no mystic visions, only epileptic seizures and brain tumors.

People are never mysteriously healed of terminal cancer, they just experience spontaneous remissions.

No one has ever had a Near Death Experience, they just had a dream and a squirt of dopamine.

Sometimes these explanations seem as faith based as any supernatural explanation.

Like holding up a cross to ward off a demon.

 

[sterling_archer]

Notice that I never said that "sleep paralysis + slight feeling of guilt" is not part of paranormal phenomena. Get this, by just dealing with subconsciousness, you are dealing with the network that spans beyond dimensions. Yeah, I really said this and mean this. This subconsciousness is home to you, other people, your things, things from other people, real beings that are not part of you and others, etc.

What I wanted to say is that what person holds deep down in himself/herself can manifest in both physical reality and in place between dream and waking state. Sleep paralysis is state between being awake and asleep. In such a state subconsciousness has free reign to go out; anything you hold in yourself can be presented to you.

Food for thought. People could from the early puberty have special invented masturbation ideal in the form of hot woman/man. This woman/man with enough "feeding" can become enough autonomous in such way that it can show herself/himself to you! Real fucking tulpa, made by you looking for fapping material. Crazy, huh? But this is real world.

 

[loremipsum]

Notice that I never said that "sleep paralysis + slight feeling of guilt" is not part of paranormal phenomena. Get this, by just dealing with subconsciousness, you are dealing with the network that spans beyond dimensions. Yeah, I really said this and mean this. This subconsciousness is home to you, other people, your things, things from other people, real beings that are not part of you and others, etc.

What I wanted to say is that what person holds deep down in himself/herself can manifest in both physical reality and in place between dream and waking state. Sleep paralysis is state between being awake and asleep. In such a state subconsciousness has free reign to go out; anything you hold in yourself can be presented to you.

Food for thought. People could from the early puberty have special invented masturbation ideal in the form of hot woman/man. This woman/man with enough "feeding" can become enough autonomous in such way that it can show herself/himself to you! Real fucking tulpa, made by you looking for fapping material. Crazy, huh? But this is real world.

That is true. However as people mature they give up on their fantasies and the entity devoids of attention and gradually thus fades.
Some say corporate logos are supersigils/servitors/tulpas, and they get so much attention from people day to day. Be that as it may, you can't ignore the fact that these logos are often also very occultic in symbolism.
It would be sneaky for some occultist to create a servitor and hide it in comics or films etc.
Grant Morrison has done this deliberately.

 

[sterling_archer]

Mostly true what you said. Indeed, as kids grow up these entities from their childhood just fade away. In the case of example I said, when you find your porn niche then there is no need for sustaining imaginary fap material so it also fades away.

Regarding logos. They might be sigils, subliminal messaging and similar but they are not tulpas. I mean, tulpa is a thought form, almost a living entity, not a sign on the building.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

I may have written about this previously on the forum, but I'm not sure.

When I was 19 I went to a house party in college. During this party me and a friend decided to smoke weed. It was strong and for a span of 30 minutes I had precognition and superhuman people reading abilities.

I sat on the couch and looked over at this brunette, she didn't look at me. I had the thought 'In an hour she's going to offer me a ride home.' An hour later without any previous interaction with her she came over and offered my friend and I a ride home.

Earlier a random guy I never met sat next to my friend and I, I had the thought 'He's from X town and he's going to mention he lived on a farm' After 5 minutes of conversation he said just that.

There were a few more events like this as I watched the crowd.

This has happened other times in my life and continues to but never as strong as this.

 

[sterling_archer]

Interesting, experiences from pot are minor but I once experienced out of body. Not full like I did once with practice, but definitely a displacement of subtle energy (etheric/pranic) double. I guess it really really depends on the pot. Girl that gave that particular one to me and friends said "dude, it's a killer". Yeah, no shit Sherlock.

Maybe some even lace it with slight doses of LSD, who knows, have heard about cases of that too.

 

[torridon747]

Lsd degrades rapidly with heat, open flame and its inactive. Nobody laces weed with lsd, and if they do it doesn't work.

It's possible that weed can be laced with all manner of other drugs, however it's extremely unlikely as it would add a lot more to the cost and kill/harm potential future customers, not a winning business move.

In almost all cases where someone claims weed has been "laced", it hasn't and the consumer is just having a strange reaction to various cannabinoids and THC.

While it's possible, it's just extremely unlikely. People forget cannabis can be psychedelic and depending on the strain and cannabinoid content effects can vary wildly

 

[Valentine]

I had a very strange experience with a friend whilst on mushrooms a few years back.

A few hours into the trip my vision changed in a weird way and it was on the tip of my tongue trying to name what the effect was because I recognised it. I was being quiet for a few seconds trying to process this change and then my friend then came out with "oh my god, I'm now seeing everything like it's through the fisheye lens on my GoPro!" at which point I turned my head to him shocked that at that exact same moment we both had the same hallucination without even discussing it prior with each other.

I was gobsmacked by this and told him so. I've had other shared hallucinations on drugs but they always come about when you describe them to another then they see the same thing, never had it like this before. It's not even like there was any environmental trigger, we were just sitting on the couch and his camera was nowhere nearby. This definitely made me lean towards believing telepathy is real, that there's some sort of sense we don't know about.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

I miss the Deep Forum.

One thing I've noticed is the extent and depth of these experiences varies greatly depending on how spiritually alert I am at the moment. If I'm deep in my meditation practice for long periods strange things occur more frequently. If I'm living without being aware they don't seem to happen. There's a connection, but I'm not sure how well it is understood.

I've written about some experiences before, lately I've just had very strong intuition about events and people. Mostly everyday things that involve social interaction and behavior. It's like my brain is assimilating more data and using this data more efficiently. I will keep developing this and report back.