Fasting

Slim Shady

Ostrich
Gold Member
I have done a 7 day fast a couple months ago, lifted every morning, plus played tennis etc. Dropped 17 lbs in a week (not water weight). I am already in good shape. I have done a lot of 24 hour fasts, then built up to a 72 hour one, then did 7 days. This was in August, and I went from 203-186 lbs. I'm 6'3".

Between hours 18-22 on the first day I have it the worst, but then I enter ketosis, feel cold waves of fat burning all over my body like I'm on molly and go into starvation mode. Days 4-5 were death again, the worst ever, but day 6-7 I felt superhuman. I was hitting cross court tennis shots and moving around the court like I could see the matrix. Could have kept going! Even on the days I felt like death, I would wake up super early and make myself lift, and during n the lift my body would tap into some superpower strength, and the rest of the lift would go great! I would ride that high for a few ours but then feel shitty. The shitty feeling is only for days 4-5 though.

I only sleep maybe 3 hours a night while fasting and you will experience manic bursts of energy during the day where you can be extra productive. Ride those waves.

I did drink black coffee, a LOT of water, and would mix plain salt in my water for a few drinks throughout the day to keep my muscles firing.

The long fast is far better than the regular IT fast because of extended autophagy. You are stressing your body and rewiring it. I believe that I mostly rid myself of my tree pollen allergy which I had since I was a child (and due to which I had exploded an eardrum once). This stuff can cure cancer.

I can answer any questions.

Couple of good links:



This dude's youtube channel is the best breakdown I've seen:
 

TheMost

Robin
I steer away from grains and wheat after reading two great books - Grain brain by David Perlmutter and Wheat belly by William Davis. I suggest to everyone to read these.
I have and read those books. In one of them, the author did try a traditional whole grain sourdough bread, and reported that it didn't produce any problems or inflammation. When you read Nikoley's work on the enrichment of flour, you can see where the "carbs bad" idea comes in. All of the other stuff about "phytates" and "gluten" etc is irrelevant; without the enrichments dragging you down, your body deals with them just fine. Enrichments consist of iron sulfate, which aggravates your gut, and various B vitamins which mess with your appetite reflex... to make you eat more! I noticed years ago that supermarket bread didn't make me feel very good so I never ate it. But the MSG flavored noodles got me.

Whole grains with their fiber, and without the "enrichments", are healthy and beneficial, and very nutritious. And there is no practical way for you to get enough fiber in your diet without them.

Of those two books you recommended, one of them had 2 pages that honestly reported about whole grains; the rest was interesting science that is useless if you aren't taking enrichment into account. They were popular books, and fun to read, but don't produce sustainable results by following them.
 

Batman_

Kingfisher
I have done a 7 day fast a couple months ago, lifted every morning, plus played tennis etc. Dropped 17 lbs in a week (not water weight). I am already in good shape. I have done a lot of 24 hour fasts, then built up to a 72 hour one, then did 7 days. This was in August, and I went from 203-186 lbs. I'm 6'3".

Between hours 18-22 on the first day I have it the worst, but then I enter ketosis, feel cold waves of fat burning all over my body like I'm on molly and go into starvation mode. Days 4-5 were death again, the worst ever, but day 6-7 I felt superhuman. I was hitting cross court tennis shots and moving around the court like I could see the matrix. Could have kept going! Even on the days I felt like death, I would wake up super early and make myself lift, and during n the lift my body would tap into some superpower strength, and the rest of the lift would go great! I would ride that high for a few ours but then feel shitty. The shitty feeling is only for days 4-5 though.

I only sleep maybe 3 hours a night while fasting and you will experience manic bursts of energy during the day where you can be extra productive. Ride those waves.

I did drink black coffee, a LOT of water, and would mix plain salt in my water for a few drinks throughout the day to keep my muscles firing.

The long fast is far better than the regular IT fast because of extended autophagy. You are stressing your body and rewiring it. I believe that I mostly rid myself of my tree pollen allergy which I had since I was a child (and due to which I had exploded an eardrum once). This stuff can cure cancer.

I can answer any questions.

Couple of good links:


This dude's youtube channel is the best breakdown I've seen:
This is my main issue. I am a former insomniac, and over many years I've developed many systems to get my sleep in order. None of these do shit for helping my sleep when I'm doing a prolonged fast.

When I've sleep deprived, I'm miserable and barely functional. I will admit, the uptick in energy (which is mostly just stress hormones) from fasting does help, but it doesn't fully compensate for the lack of sleep. I'm still not entirely convinced the benefits of prolonged fasting outweigh the costs if you are sleep deprived - check out Dr Matthew Walkers work; sleep deprivation is the most destructive thing you can do to your body/brain.

I also find when I'm sleep deprived my hunger skyrockets. Despite doing strict keto and 24 hour fasts every day for the past month, I have tried on multiple occasions to reach 72 hours and I just couldn't do it. After ~36 hrs my hunger reaches levels so extreme it's hard to describe. This is despite the fact that I'm already in ketosis before I even start the fast.

Last time I attempted to do 72 hrs, at 48 hours I was so hungry that after eating 1lb of steak, half a pound of 20% fat ground beef with sour cream, 3 jalapeno sausages with butter, I was still ravenous enough to eat an entire pizza if I chose. And the sleep deprivation erodes your decision making skills, making the chance of eating like shit far more likely.

I'm going to keep trying, but maybe next time I won't exercise at all and see if that helps.
 
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Slim Shady

Ostrich
Gold Member
I misspoke when I said I reach ketosis at 22 hours. I reach starvation mode, and lose hunger.

I too am notorious for not sleeping much. I completely understand the half sleep going through the motions feeling you speak of during the day.

I would take a 3 mg melatonin and ride 3 hour sof sleep during the fasts. These days in my regular life, I sleep at 9, and am up by 3am most nights. If i can't fall asleep till 10/11 I'm still up at 3 generally. I used to be a lot more affected by this in the past, but I am training a lot harder and better now and not partying like I was (or atleast as often) and this has truly helped me function energetically on less sleep. Maybe the long fast helped rewire me.

I am also only drinking coffee when I wake up. I will have two cups of coffee and then go lift maybe an hour later. I will also have citrulline malate in the morning, which is my natural pre workout. It also helps blood flow natural viagra).

I would fight my hunger during the extended fasts by exercising. If I felt hungry during the day, I might do some pushups or pulls ups, and the body signals and compensates.

Initially when I was getting used to the fasts, I would drink a LOT of black coffee during the day to calm the hunger and smoke a cigarette every hour or so to keep the hunger down. [Aside: As Ive become fitter I stopped smoking cold turkey one day for months, now I might smoke when I go out. I used to smoke 5 cigs a day ave. for 7 years. ] Now I realize that you don't need the cigs. Probably don't need the coffee, but I think it would really help your case. I also LOVE coffee.

My metabolism is very fast. I also have a lot of weight making experience from my past life. Before being mostly a degenerate for 7 years, I was a top level competitive athlete. Most people I have hears feel insane hunger on the SECOND day, just like you. For me, that feeling comes much earlier, but is super condensed into that 16th-22nd hour span. I guess I'm lucky in that way. The 1 day fast may be harder for me, but it's smoother from there, which is why I love the longer fasts: I've done the hard work. You might have to expand out my entire timeline then.

Try it out with the coffee, maybe cigs, and definitely take SALT!. I also take any non sugary vitamins/minerals. I take zinc, vit D, biotin, vit C, magnesium, calcium, vit B every morning.

I rambled through that, am free to discuss more.
 

Bigblabla

Pigeon
Wow you guys are great. I haven't made it past one day. I've thought about it a lot, and idealized longer fasts. I have Jentzen Franklin's book on fasting. I got Paul Bragg's book on fasting at a library sale and it is amazing, he was a health guru, used to be the only brand of apple cider vinegar you'd see.

I love the interview Rich Roll did with Dr Goldhamer who runs a water fasting clinic https://www.richroll.com/podcast/alan-goldhamer-541/
 

Stadtaffe

Sparrow
Gold Member
Yet, I thought about food 24/7. As soon as I finished a meal, I would be thinking about what I would eat at my next meal in twenty hours. In this way, I think I instilled a lust for food in myself far beyond any time in the past, all while ostensibly being disciplined. Additionally, I was cold all the time, all year round. In winter, I needed four layers of clothing and three blankets to sleep comfortably. My mood was always terrible, and I always scrutinized the shortcomings of those around me, my thoughts were fragmented, and my attention was sparse. My teeth became so brittle that they would get chipped on unrefined salt. I cannot tell you why I persisted in this demonstably negative way of life other than it was an engrained habit and the perception of one's own virtuousness makes you do insane things.
This was hilarious, thanks, I have not had such a good laugh in ages. Well at least you moved past that. I did 24 hours a few days ago to correct something I did not like on the scales. I could probably not do anywhere near the same number of pullups after 72 hours.

So they say there are 3 energy burning chemical pathways in the body - (i) ATP, (ii) Blood Glucose / liver glycogen (iii) fat / ketones
They talk about the "fat burning zone" for your pulse and I always thought it was a joke, but now I can see the point in that if you always exercise in the cardio zone you send your blood sugar up and down, it wears you out a bit and is inefficient if your goal is fat and weight loss.

They also say that being in keto is good for the brain in that it makes it have to work harder to run off ketones which is somehow good for it.

I think that some people's bodies are more adept with the fat / keto burning pathway that others. That's where the fasting comes in. In my case I am historically more a middle distance runner and it's always in the cardio zone, so I think the 24, 60 or 72 hour fasts now and then sort of train the fat pathway where your chemistry might be weak.
 

Arado

Pelican
Gold Member
I didn't know you HAVE to burn off all the glycogen in your system to enter ketosis. I just thought that the most important is that your insulin has to be near zero so that fat storage can be accessed for energy.
 

Stadtaffe

Sparrow
Gold Member
Maybe that's why ketosis only kicks in after about 16 hours (as measured with ketostix).

Has anyone tried yohimbine for fat loss?

I once read a book called "the stubborn fat solution". He recommends HIIT in a fasted state and if that doesn't work, yohimbine as well. Yohimbine sounds like not a mild drug, it is the extract of an African plant. The side effects look severe enough that I have not yet been game enough to try to obtain it yet or take it, but remain a bit curious.
 
my biggest fear is losing muscle. Longest I have gone is 3 days. I’ve read about them your body starts to burn muscle. I do OMAD so easily go 20-24 hours without eating. It does work.
 
Maybe that's why ketosis only kicks in after about 16 hours (as measured with ketostix).

Has anyone tried yohimbine for fat loss?

I once read a book called "the stubborn fat solution". He recommends HIIT in a fasted state and if that doesn't work, yohimbine as well. Yohimbine sounds like not a mild drug, it is the extract of an African plant. The side effects look severe enough that I have not yet been game enough to try to obtain it yet or take it, but remain a bit curious.
Don’t use yohimbe until you are already pretty lean. Combine it with caffeine and dammit forgot what the other supplement I was taking. Make sure it is hcl. There is some ratio of how much to take per your weight. Take it fasted. And don’t eat for four hours after taking it so it leaves your system.

Don‘t take it if you can easily lose the fat by other means like diet. Use it for the final push. It works. I’ve taken the stack.
 

Slim Shady

Ostrich
Gold Member
I was a lightweight rower. Also if you guys read the links I added and watch that video, all your questions will be answered. This is a superpower cheat code.
 

Stadtaffe

Sparrow
Gold Member
Thanks, well I am not in the 'final push' yet. Was actually reading after I posted that not to take yohimbine until you are under 12% body fat which I am probably not yet. Will buy some next time in the US, not sure where in Europe it can be obtained as a supplement rather than a prescription drug. Am continuing to go through slim shady's links now..
 

Slim Shady

Ostrich
Gold Member
Do not do dry fasts, unless you are cutting weight for competition. I drink atleast a gallon of water a day during fasts. You won't burn muscle. If that starts happening,...well that's wayyy late in the cycle.
 
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