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<blockquote data-quote="DanielH" data-source="post: 1514105" data-attributes="member: 18034">I&#039;ve never seen someone in the Orthosphere claim they are great people, infallible, say not to listen to anyone else. We know they&#039;re not perfect, they&#039;re also not clergy, they aren&#039;t held to as high of a standard. They&#039;re flawed. And? Their problems are between them and their spiritual fathers. If one is not confessing and going to Church, call them out! Right now Orthodox laity are standing up against the covid tyranny ruining so many of our lives. Patriarch Primus with his exemption document made a huge impact worldwide and has made thousands of people interested in Orthodoxy. Apologetics from people like [USER=16038]@MichaelWitcoff[/USER] keep us grounded and the analysis from him and [USER=1]@Roosh[/USER] keeps us aware of the broader situation at hand.People at my church constantly are coming up to me and talking about how their lives are being ruined under this tyranny. The other week I had an elderly Russian woman I met that day come to me and start crying because masks were coming back. Another elderly Orthodox woman was talking to me about getting Ivermectin online. A catechumen mentioned to me she might be losing her job due to the vaccine mandate although she only goes to the office a few times a year. Sunday school reopenings are getting pushed back, canceled, or opening with mask requirements across the country. I&#039;ve been turned away from a church for refusing to wear a mask when other people in the church weren&#039;t wearing masks. I&#039;ve been told I can&#039;t sing along during the liturgy because I&#039;m not vaccinated (though I will admit I don&#039;t have the best singing voice).There are plenty of things for clergy to criticize that aren&#039;t Orthodox Christian laity getting their lives ruined. The same clergy calling for unity and civil discussions will turn you away from church for not wearing a facemask.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DanielH, post: 1514105, member: 18034"] I've never seen someone in the Orthosphere claim they are great people, infallible, say not to listen to anyone else. We know they're not perfect, they're also not clergy, they aren't held to as high of a standard. They're flawed. And? Their problems are between them and their spiritual fathers. If one is not confessing and going to Church, call them out! Right now Orthodox laity are standing up against the covid tyranny ruining so many of our lives. Patriarch Primus with his exemption document made a huge impact worldwide and has made thousands of people interested in Orthodoxy. Apologetics from people like [USER=16038]@MichaelWitcoff[/USER] keep us grounded and the analysis from him and [USER=1]@Roosh[/USER] keeps us aware of the broader situation at hand. People at my church constantly are coming up to me and talking about how their lives are being ruined under this tyranny. The other week I had an elderly Russian woman I met that day come to me and start crying because masks were coming back. Another elderly Orthodox woman was talking to me about getting Ivermectin online. A catechumen mentioned to me she might be losing her job due to the vaccine mandate although she only goes to the office a few times a year. Sunday school reopenings are getting pushed back, canceled, or opening with mask requirements across the country. I've been turned away from a church for refusing to wear a mask when other people in the church weren't wearing masks. I've been told I can't sing along during the liturgy because I'm not vaccinated (though I will admit I don't have the best singing voice). There are plenty of things for clergy to criticize that aren't Orthodox Christian laity getting their lives ruined. The same clergy calling for unity and civil discussions will turn you away from church for not wearing a facemask. [/QUOTE]

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