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<blockquote data-quote="Blade Runner" data-source="post: 1514283" data-attributes="member: 17573">This is precisely the point. The leadership from nearly all (at least in the West) jurisdictions, or at least the most prominent of the eastern orthodox churches or their diaspora, can be quite accurately stated as being schizophrenic. Nothing about State interference is necessarily easy, for anyone. But when valid criticisms are directed at the way bishops, priests, and laypeople handle the current issues (which are quite important and unseen in quite a long time), they should not result in further bad messaging, illogical arguments, or hiding behind vague terms like &quot;care&quot; or &quot;love&quot; when specific actions are demanded or condemned.I agree with Hermetic Seal in that I think we are both stating that people are not going to increase their faithfulness or understanding of the church and its teachings when presumed &quot;chaotic&quot; teachings are countered with further, unclear messaging. Yes, the internet can be a dangerous place but for every reference to &quot;bishop&quot; this and &quot;church&quot; that I&#039;ve got whole scoop of St. Maximos and St. John Chrysostom stories of exile and worse, from a church that had bishops, archbishops and patriarchs who directly oversaw it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blade Runner, post: 1514283, member: 17573"] This is precisely the point. The leadership from [B][I]nearly [/I][/B]all (at least in the West) jurisdictions, or at least the most prominent of the eastern orthodox churches or their diaspora, can be quite accurately stated as being schizophrenic. Nothing about State interference is necessarily easy, for anyone. But when valid criticisms are directed at the way bishops, priests, and laypeople handle the current issues (which are quite important and unseen in quite a long time), they should not result in further bad messaging, illogical arguments, or hiding behind vague terms like "care" or "love" when specific actions [B][I]are demanded or condemned[/I][/B]. I agree with Hermetic Seal in that I think we are both stating that people are not going to increase their faithfulness or understanding of the church and its teachings when presumed "chaotic" teachings are countered with further, unclear messaging. Yes, the internet can be a dangerous place but for every reference to "bishop" this and "church" that I've got whole scoop of St. Maximos and St. John Chrysostom stories of exile and worse, from a church that had bishops, archbishops and patriarchs who directly oversaw it. [/QUOTE]

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