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<blockquote data-quote="DanielH" data-source="post: 1514568" data-attributes="member: 18034">First off, I agree that new Orthodox Christians should be cautious and certainly not hostile towards others.You don&#039;t know their hearts or how much they actually understand. Literally thousands of people attribute their conversions to Jay Dyer. A clergyman can always contact Jay&#039;s spiritual father with concerns, or if he isn&#039;t going to church, call him out publicly and by name. How long would they need to be Orthodox for it to be more acceptable? 3, 5, 10, 20 years?Has there ever been a case in history where an Orthodox priest from a different jurisdiction has publicly complained about the optics of an Orthodox layman with no secular government position who was not teaching any heresy or committing any crime? Can you show me where it is stated that we need to listen to priests with regards to instruction and rebuke who not only aren&#039;t our confessors but also aren&#039;t even in our jurisdiction? I will show them respect as a priest, but it also should be a two way street where they show us respect, and respect towards our confessors. They should respect the chain of command, and not attack the spiritual children of others.I&#039;m also yet to hear an explanation of what &quot;distorted faith&quot; means. Seems to be a weird way to say &quot;I don&#039;t like how they behave.&quot; If they&#039;re teaching a distorted faith, explain what that is, I would hate to unknowingly believe in something heretical.Edit: Furthermore, what posts, what videos attacking qualified priests are you referring to? Let us know so we can avoid such people or correct ourselves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DanielH, post: 1514568, member: 18034"] First off, I agree that new Orthodox Christians should be cautious and certainly not hostile towards others. You don't know their hearts or how much they actually understand. Literally thousands of people attribute their conversions to Jay Dyer. A clergyman can always contact Jay's spiritual father with concerns, or if he isn't going to church, call him out publicly and by name. How long would they need to be Orthodox for it to be more acceptable? 3, 5, 10, 20 years? Has there ever been a case in history where an Orthodox priest from a different jurisdiction has publicly complained about the optics of an Orthodox layman with no secular government position who was not teaching any heresy or committing any crime? Can you show me where it is stated that we need to listen to priests with regards to instruction and rebuke who not only aren't our confessors but also aren't even in our jurisdiction? I will show them respect as a priest, but it also should be a two way street where they show us respect, and respect towards our confessors. They should respect the chain of command, and not attack the spiritual children of others. I'm also yet to hear an explanation of what "distorted faith" means. Seems to be a weird way to say "I don't like how they behave." If they're teaching a distorted faith, explain what that is, I would hate to unknowingly believe in something heretical. Edit: Furthermore, what posts, what videos attacking qualified priests are you referring to? Let us know so we can avoid such people or correct ourselves. [/QUOTE]

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