Saints Father Seraphim Rose

OrthoCole

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
Fr Seraphim Rose definitely helped me become Orthodox. His journey reflects many of ours here on this forum I suspect.

I often ask for his prayers in regards to letting go of my past and embracing Christ. I believe he is a powerful intercessor in these matters. To my mind he is a Saint, I hope the church recognises this soon.
Agreed. Fr. Seraphim Rose is a treasure for english speaking Orthodoxy. In some sense, he is the first truly American Orthodox Saint.
 

Prores

Sparrow
Orthodox
I've been gifted some old cassettes form St Hermon's Monastery, some of them have recordings of Fr Seraphim Rose and a few of them ( at least one for sure ) are not online anywhere. I think I may have higher quality versions of some of his talks that are already online and I will post them if the difference is substantial enough to warrant doing so.

This one is very good. It's on the theology of St John Maximovitch. Very relevant for our times.

 

DRIIIVER

Sparrow
Orthodox Catechumen
I've been gifted some old cassettes form St Hermon's Monastery, some of them have recordings of Fr Seraphim Rose and a few of them ( at least one for sure ) are not online anywhere.
Thank you for this! Does this mean you have more to share as well on your YT channel? The visuals of the video are excellent btw.
 

Charbel Makhlouf

Sparrow
Orthodox
Is it true that Fr. Seraphim had a corrective baptism later on? I’ve heard this rumour but haven’t found a substantive source.

I bet that massive biography by Hieromonk Damascene would say one way or another. It's 1442 pages on Kindle and somewhere north of 1,000 pages printed. I'm still trying to find an affordable copy of the printed work, but it is out of print and in high demand!

https://www.amazon.com/Father-Seraphim-Rose-Life-Works-ebook/dp/B00KBALPPI/
 

SingularityOne

Robin
Orthodox
Is it true that Fr. Seraphim had a corrective baptism later on? I’ve heard this rumour but haven’t found a substantive source.

Haven’t heard about this, but St John the Wonderworker Chrismated him. So, not to answer your question, but kinda. Also, I was Chrismated into the Church, however, if I were to go back, I would opt for baptism.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
It’s best to get baptized IMO but receiving converts by Chrismation is not un-Orthodox. Been happening since ancient times.

I find that so-called 'Orthobros' pile on when confronted with this issue, telling those who are received via Chrismation alone that they require a corrective baptism. I agree that reception is better through baptism, but I see no need for 'corrective' baptism once you're a member of the Church -- at any rate, this is a topic that requires a discerning spiritual father to help with.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
I read Fr. Rose's Nihilism and this is really an eye opener that connects a lot of dots. It outlines the perspective of a Christian worldview and the modern, nihilist worldview, which in essence is a reaction towards the first, with as goal to destroy everything that is of God and even God himself (as Nietsche famously said, we've killed God). It is very disturbing to realize that you live in a society that spiritually is in the Abyss, after reading this book a lot of the haze is removed and you see this very clearly. Moreover, what is really telling is that fr. Rose is speaking about what would come ''beyond nihilism'' and during this chapter and also earlier in the book drops a lot of seeds on the New World Order situation we're in now. He states things like, if industry and technology are allowed to move forwards as they are now we will have the biggest and most controlled prison in human history, which is exactly what we're in now. Remember he's writing in the 60s. Altogether a very illuminating read which also shines a light on the root of the terror of the 20th century communist/nazi movements, which were nihilistic movements, and also makes you realize that these people (which is most of modern society now) are always on the lookout to destroy something and as fr. Rose says ''even when the nihilists have their paradise they'll be too disillusioned and full of wrath and hatred to acknowledge and appreciate it, so they'll destroy that too''. All progression is progression further away from Christ, by a spirit and mentality that is never satisfied nor can ever be satisfied. The nihilists aren't winning, they're in the Abyss and they're incredibly far removed from truth and tend to remove further and further as their ''progression'' towards utopia (which is dystopia) progresses.
 
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Mulato_Man_Gabe

Pigeon
Orthodox
I find that so-called 'Orthobros' pile on when confronted with this issue, telling those who are received via Chrismation alone that they require a corrective baptism. I agree that reception is better through baptism, but I see no need for 'corrective' baptism once you're a member of the Church -- at any rate, this is a topic that requires a discerning spiritual father to help with.

As someone who sought and received a corrective baptism, I did so because my spirit was disturbed and something felt off; I could not find peace in being received via Chrismation. I think it is everyone's personal choice if they want to pursue it or not.

I recently heard this argument from a Hirodeacon: "Does the Eucharist erase Original Sin? Does Holy Unction Erase Original Sin? Does Chrismation erase Original Sin? No. None of those Sacraments erase Original Sin; it is only Holy Baptism that does it.

I agree with Fr. Peter Heers's interpretation of ecclesiology that if there is no need to use economia, then acrivia (pardon my spelling- the "exactness") should be relied on as a default. It's not good that so much of the Orthodox Church in the west forgoes Holy Baptism without need or a good reason. To echo Fr. Peter Heers, we can't take away the Bishop's right to use the economia, but it shouldn't be the go-to option if there are no obstacles for the extactness.

Needless to say, those who have been received by Chrismation or other means are indeed successfully entered into the church, such as Fr. Seraphim Rose & St. Elizabeth the New Martyr.
 

Joseph-Schumpeter

Pigeon
Other Christian
I was talking to an elder woman of the ROCOR-A (not ROCOR-MP mind you (she made this point very clearly)) who gave me a giant zip of the Orthodox Word magazines from January 1965 to July 1982. I'm not sure if this is all of them. Maybe someone who knows can validate.
I put the zip up here:
ORTHODOX_WORD-Jan1965-Jul1982.zip on this site: https://zenshinsuru.com/
 

Joseph-Schumpeter

Pigeon
Other Christian
I put my contact on the page if someone feels like this is inappropriate. I think there is some internal jurisdictional thing I frankly don't understand. Pls enlighten if you like, or if offended.
 
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