Feds seize Backpage

[Parlay44]

They should outlaw dating while they’re at it. A girl can have a boyfriend, a guy she’s “seeing” and one she’s “talking to”.

None of which know about the other and all three are spending money on her.

If that ain’t hookin ...

Shit ...I’m about ready to 10-99 women if they order more than 1 drink. :dodgy:

They should outlaw marriage too. As I mentioned a few months ago on this forum, I know a guy who owns a big house and lets a woman live there. Apparently there is some "arrangement" going on. He works, while she stays home and provides "services" like cooking, cleaning, and you-know-what.

When questioned, he called her a "wife." Yeah, right. They both need good long stretches in jail. Isn't that what the land of the free is really all about?

I don’t think the man cares so much about hookin. I think he’s more concerned about maintaining appearances in the public’s eye.

We have that old world puritanical image to maintain.

It’s ok if our women are whores as long as they do it in private and call it something else.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

Interesting article about SESTA/FOSTA. Hollywood is a major supporter. They want your internet filtered and controlled so it’s not unlike cable tv. It’s kind of like youtube demonetizing everything and then starting to introduce original content that is no different than what you see on cable or Netflix. They only want you to see what they want you to see. They want to dictate the narrative.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...t-sesta-is-all-about-filtering-internet.shtml

The Hollywood part of that is Viacom. They're the ones behind Youtube culling many videos with movies and TV content through copyright strikes.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was some sort of power play.

The Feds told Backpage "we're getting too many angry calls, clean your shit up" and Backpage either ignored them or gave them the finger.

A radical return to something approaching the intention of the Constitution in America can't come fast enough. It's gotten to the point that I would get on a plane to Canada and make my way down to the modern Valley Forge equivalent if it meant keeping the flame of liberty alive on this stupid planet, and maybe earning the right for me and mine to enjoy it if I made it through alive.

Fuck this gay earth.

 

[porscheguy]

Basically the law offers no explanation for how it protects children. But as many sources point out, by forcing hookers back to the streets it puts many of them in danger. Some people probably even think this will make a dent in prostitution. Makes me think of stringer bell.

“What, you think a nigga’s gonna get a job?” “You think...you think it’s going to be like ‘fuck it, let me quit this game here and go to college’?

 

[rpg]

Hopefully a judge rules this grab unconstitutional or it will suffer mission creep and they will start grabbing craigslist and other stuff. Then where the hell will I find my next shitbox car for a daily driver.

 

[xCHENDOx]

Craigslist has also been affected, as the "Sex Trafficking" law has forced them to remove their Personal Ad section.

 

[Parlay44]

I guess prostitution ads are ok as they’re not easily publicly accessible.

Membership type pages that require a login and password are fine.

 

[rpg]

I just read the law and the whole porn industry should be shut down if they mean what they say. Get the fireworks started. Kamala Harris was in on this bullshit and I hope it trashes her presidential chances.

 

[CincinnatiKid]

Years ago I remember reading about how the internet mostly eliminated street level hookers. The new law takes all of the whores and puts them back on the street

Just wanted to say this is kind of a myth/urban legend:

If you stay at a low end motel (30-40 bucks a night), hookers will knock on your door. These are usually older women (35+) desperate enough to be negotiated down, but if you smoke cigarettes, and hang out in the front area you can strike up a conversation with drug dealers who can broker a deal with a younger chick. (the dealers usually keep the younger ones as girlfriends, so they dont have to hook) But anyways, you'd still end up paying way less than backpage, if going this route.

Besides motels, in urban areas of the city (not necessarily "the hood", working class blue collar people live in these areas), you'll see girls loitering at intersections. The thing is, they are wearing jeans and sneakers to fly "under the radar", but if shes been solitary for 5 minutee straight, or keeps walking up and down the strreet its a dead giveaway. In Cincinnati, we have 10 different nwighborhoods like this, where you can spot 5 different girls workin at any given time. And contrary to popular belief, i've seen the most girls out, before sunset (6 PM).

And lastly, you have the downtown area - alot of drug transactions take place, because its so crowded. Incase you're wondering how i know all of this _ one day around lunchtime, i saw 2 girls walking - one had the obvious drug stagger going on, disheveled hair/clothes, but the other was a normal white girl, just had a super tan from being outside so much. I stopped them to ask whats going on (code = ARE YALL HUSTLING RIGHT NOW)

She was accompanying her roommate to buy heroin, but claims she herself didnt use. She panhandled from time to time cause it was easier than a job and allowed her more time woth her kids. But yeah, aside from being a 23 year old single mom of two, she was beautiful and in shape, only flaws was her voice sounded goofy, and she'd veer off into weord conspiracy theories.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Basically the law offers no explanation for how it protects children. But as many sources point out, by forcing hookers back to the streets it puts many of them in danger. Some people probably even think this will make a dent in prostitution. Makes me think of stringer bell.

“What, you think a nigga’s gonna get a job?” “You think...you think it’s going to be like ‘fuck it, let me quit this game here and go to college’?

Protect children?! LOL! This law won't protect anyone, except the maniacs who seek to harm hookers. If I were to create a law designed to empower serial killers and kidnappers, I could not do better than this one.

Before: Hookers could screen clients, work out of a hotel or home, and generally have some control over who they see.

Now: Women have to take to the street (or do other under-the-radar things) and won't know who the hell will pick them up -- or where they'll bring them.

I saw some statistic that claimed the murder rate for sex workers fell after the introduction of online ads. Not only do I expect the murder rate to rise, but I bet we'll be seeing a lot more missing persons reports.

All of which gets me thinking (again) that this is some kind of prelude to bigger, worse laws that will screw us all. I recently came across an article at Vice saying "Social Media Bans Aren't Enough to Stop the Far Right" (cache link here).

It boggles my mind the way idiots from both the right and left think bans will stop things like prostitution and "wrongthink." It also troubles me that when people don't like what others are doing or thinking, their response is "Let's ban it." What the eff happened to this country? What happened to live and let live?

I personally don't like a lot of things, but banning them is never where my mind goes. Maybe bans could have seemed like a good idea years ago. But today people have instant, online access to more history and ideas than ever before. Can't they see that everything from Prohibition to the PMRC didn't work?

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The sex-trafficking case is a fucked up excuse and urban myth. The real cases of sexual slavery are such that you never hear about and certainly don't see on backpage. Those venues are either hush-hush or extremely well protected.

The overwhelming majority of women are doing it on their own accord. And other sites will crop up even if that venue closes. Tinder and other dating sites with geographical location measures will become more frequent. I doubt that women will go back to the streets en masse. But of course it's possible that the feds will move even stronger against it.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Just to put this in perspective, while whores are whoring and Johns are Johnning on a voluntary basis and keeping it all out of the public eye to boot, the Podestas are openly flaunting their membership of elite paedophile rings while giving the MSM tours of their homes riddled with obscene artwork depicting child abuse.

Clown world, friends.

The day of the rope cannot come fast enough, particularly for a consequential number of kids at various stages of the kidnap-rape-disposal cycle.

 

[TravelerKai]

I don't think many will hit the streets but vpn usage is going to skyrocket. I can easily see them using mobile app VPN to get around the censorship. The feds will try to take down foreign sites but some countries will ignore those orders either because of jurisdiction or lack legal standing in that country.

Canada and other surrounding countries seem lax on this as well. Some of those sites would be smart to create a USA section. Only problem with this is that they might be vulnerable to getting extradited to the USA for sex trafficking charges, in the same way they tried to get Rawmeo.

 

[kosko]

Years ago I remember reading about how the internet mostly eliminated street level hookers. The new law takes all of the whores and puts them back on the street

Just wanted to say this is kind of a myth/urban legend:

If you stay at a low end motel (30-40 bucks a night), hookers will knock on your door. These are usually older women (35+) desperate enough to be negotiated down, but if you smoke cigarettes, and hang out in the front area you can strike up a conversation with drug dealers who can broker a deal with a younger chick. (the dealers usually keep the younger ones as girlfriends, so they dont have to hook) But anyways, you'd still end up paying way less than backpage, if going this route.

Besides motels, in urban areas of the city (not necessarily "the hood", working class blue collar people live in these areas), you'll see girls loitering at intersections. The thing is, they are wearing jeans and sneakers to fly "under the radar", but if shes been solitary for 5 minutee straight, or keeps walking up and down the strreet its a dead giveaway. In Cincinnati, we have 10 different nwighborhoods like this, where you can spot 5 different girls workin at any given time. And contrary to popular belief, i've seen the most girls out, before sunset (6 PM).

And lastly, you have the downtown area - alot of drug transactions take place, because its so crowded. Incase you're wondering how i know all of this _ one day around lunchtime, i saw 2 girls walking - one had the obvious drug stagger going on, disheveled hair/clothes, but the other was a normal white girl, just had a super tan from being outside so much. I stopped them to ask whats going on (code = ARE YALL HUSTLING RIGHT NOW)

She was accompanying her roommate to buy heroin, but claims she herself didnt use. She panhandled from time to time cause it was easier than a job and allowed her more time woth her kids. But yeah, aside from being a 23 year old single mom of two, she was beautiful and in shape, only flaws was her voice sounded goofy, and she'd veer off into weord conspiracy theories.

No, I agree on the prior as the internet has dropped street hookers considerably. It used to be much worse. 5 girls is nothing. Back in the day you used to have 30-50 women all spred out along 500 meters of a main strip.

Before the mainstream of internet and the "revitalization" of downtown areas every big city had a hooker main where one or two streets was heavily populated with hookers and dudes would roll up in cars for visits. The sophisticated hoes had cell phones and pagers hooked up via thier pimps to take bookings for the motels. Only other option was to use the "back page" ads in the papers (which the website got its name from), or to call a whore agency but with those you didn't know what you were getting. You ask for a trim blondie and the aganecy sends you a whale with a wig on.. your mileage may vary.

Cops used to run stings all the time as you could find the pimps checking in and you could ding the random dude who was buying sex every now and then

I grew up in a small place and even that town had hookers on a avenue in a seesy part of downtown just beside downtown. My small town had an average of 5-7 per night and this was a tiny place that was maybe the 1/6 the size of Cincinnati.

All these hooker mains are still most seedy , for some odd reason they have been the last or slow to gentrify in many cities but likely because lots of rooming houses and slumlords who control the land and apartments in the area who don't want to give up the easy income and won't sell.

Internet has taken it off the streers. Even sex workers advocates will tell you this because a basic fesr of women is the dark street at night. It was much easier for bearings and muggings to happen in that setting because also drug pushers would be close by with tweakers in the mix. Sex worker advocates also point to the ability of girls to be independent and not have pimps of they can go online and make thier own ads.

All this advancement has up your quality of whore and also has put downward pressure on prices for a bit because whlres flooding the market. Price is still used as s filter mechanism to filter out trash. Your tweaked out drug whore will do car visits for $60 and work of volume and is more prone to take the money for "off the list" items such as raw dog. Your higher priced girls have the ability to filter with price and set hard parameters that only high rollers could attempt to brake.

My view is you'll never get rid of the sex trade so better to have system for those who want to partake to do it in a safe environment.

 

[Hypno]

Just to be clear, the feds siezed Backpage under existing money laundering statutes, not the new law which Trump has not signed yet. Not sure the connection to money laundering, but I think Backpage had paid ads in contrast to CraigsList.

 

[Days of Broken Arrows]

Just to be clear, the feds siezed Backpage under existing money laundering statutes, not the new law which Trump has not signed yet. Not sure the connection to money laundering, but I think Backpage had paid ads in contrast to CraigsList.

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Good point. But the same day Backpage went dark, so did Craiglist's "Theraputic" section and The Erotic Reviews (TER). This is a moral panic.

I'm less concerned with the subject per se, and more interested in the way people are behaving. I'm now reading uptight women using phrases like "I'm am an abolitionist!" They actually think they're freeing slaves by inconveniencing hookers and johns.

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I'll also vouch for what Kosko said about the Internet taking hookers off the streets. There used to be a "hooker row" near where I went to college. I discovered this the hard way.

Way back before the Internet, my buddy and I had driven to a concert* and I decided to take a shortcut back to campus. It was late and I was tired. While I was stopped at a light, I noticed all these women waving and "kids" on bikes.

In my groggy state, I turned to my friend and said "Hey! This area is like a Beach Boys song! There's all these friendly girls wearing sexy clothes and people riding bikes in the streets!"

He look at me incredulously and said "Those are prostitutes and drug dealers you idiot! Now speed it up and get the hell out of this section of town before we get shot!!! Step on it!!"

Anyway, that section doesn't have a "hooker row" anymore, but I wonder if it will come summer.

* The concert was by Jonathan Richman. Anyone remember this guy? He was a nostalgia trip even then, which is why my mind was on the Beach Boys as we left the concert. Music can alter your view of reality. It can for me, anyway.

 

[Enoch]

I just read the law and the whole porn industry should be shut down if they mean what they say. Get the fireworks started. Kamala Harris was in on this bullshit and I hope it trashes her presidential chances.

For those of us who came of age in the time of high speed internet:

Time to stock up on DVDs!

 

[debeguiled]

Hopefully a judge rules this grab unconstitutional or it will suffer mission creep and they will start grabbing craigslist and other stuff. Then where the hell will I find my next shitbox car for a daily driver.

Terminology creep always comes first.

And so trafficking means any man anywhere near a skank or in her address book.

And if you point this out in polite company you will be accused of being pro sex slavery.

It started with feminism, and to paraphrase the old line about antisemitism:

A misogynist used to be someone who doesn't like women. Now it's someone who women don't like.

Rape used to have specific a legal definition. Now it seems to encompass female dissatisfaction on any level.

Domestic Violence can now mean disagreeing with women (gaslighting) or failing to give them money when so directed.

No need to elaborate on what hate speech now means. Just pick any thread in certain forums.

Tangential but related.

Got a new one for you guys. We all know that grooming started off as a useful term to describe the way pedos manipulate children.

By the law of terminology creep, that means any adult male talking to anyone under 18 for any reason.

Saw in the Daily Mail they took it to the next level.

Psych Professor is accused publicly of grooming an adult. The short end of the wedge is that the person had cancer, so, to question this new bit of anti-moral sophistry is to be in favor of abusing the ill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...43-groomed-recovering-cancer-patient-sex.html

Emanuele Castano, 43, was accused by a 23-year-old The New School student identified in court papers as Jane Doe of grooming her for sex while she was still recovering from cancer.

It won't be long until grooming can apply to any conversation between consenting adults, and it will still have the pedo stink to it.

Soon there will be no necessary connection between a word and a reality at all. All that will matter is who is saying it.

And Lauren Hill will be right. Inadvertently, retroactively, but if it works for rape, it will work for songs. Everything will be everything.

If you have the social credentials, whatever you say goes, and asking whether or not it makes sense will be [pick your accusation.]

 

[rpg]

One thing is obvious. Congress is the biggest bunch of incompetent retards in our country. Also the most pathetic white knight cuck simps. They know absolutely nothing about women and I hope they enjoy the toe tapping in public restrooms. May they all get warts on their tongues from sucking dick.

 

[AneroidOcean]

Looks like the Texas Attorney General is not fucking around with Backpage:

Backpage.com Pleads Guilty to Human Trafficking in Texas

Thursday, April 12, 2018 – Austin

Attorney General Ken Paxton announced today that his office’s prosecution of Backpage.com has resulted in the company pleading guilty to human trafficking in Texas and its CEO Carl Ferrer pleading guilty to money laundering. This comes less than a week after the attorney general’s office assisted the Department of Justice with permanently shutting down the website.

Ferrer will be sentenced to up to five years in prison once he’s fulfilled the terms of his plea agreement with Attorney General Paxton’s office. His cooperation in the ongoing investigation into Backpage could lead to other criminal charges against individuals associated with the company.

As the largest online sex trafficking marketplace in the world, Backpage facilitated the sex trafficking of innocent women and children through sites it ran for 943 locations in 97 countries and 17 languages. It was involved in 73 percent of all child trafficking cases reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

“Taking down Backpage and obtaining a criminal conviction for the company and its CEO represents a significant victory in the fight against human trafficking in Texas and around the world,” Attorney General Paxton said. “I want to thank the Attorney General of California, the U.S. Department of Justice, federal law enforcement officials, Nueces County District Attorney Mark Gonzalez, and the prosecutors and law enforcement in my office for their outstanding collaborative work on this investigation and prosecution.”

In October 2016, Attorney General Paxton’s Law Enforcement Division arrested Ferrer in Houston. It also executed a search warrant on the Dallas headquarters of Backpage, uncovering evidence that was critical in building a case against Ferrer and the company.

Attorney General Paxton has made combating human trafficking a top priority. Two years ago, he launched his office’s Human Trafficking and Transnational/Organized Crime Section, which prosecutes human traffickers around the state of Texas. Earlier this year, he unveiled a powerful training video to teach Texans how to spot and report suspected human trafficking activity.

President Trump yesterday signed the Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act of 2017 into law, making it easier for law enforcement to take legal action against any websites that enable human trafficking.

Here's his video statement: