Feeling unable to connect with society after self improvement/redpill/politics

[easternwomenrule]

It's easier to talk about it in an Eastern country hence why I try to stay as much time in the East as possible! I feel like i'm in a mental institution when I'm back in Australia! Its sad every year coming back and seeing a country you grew up in go more and more down the shit hole! Everywhere I shop now in the last 4 months, I see tattoos on women everywhere... If it's not fat women everywhere, they now come with tattoos where it's horrible this time of the year cause its Summer!

If I meet someone from an Eastern country while I'm back in Australia, I find it's easier to talk Red Pill cause they grew up in a normal country (muscular men/feminine women). It's very hard to find red pill friends (I was so looking forward to the meetups last year ) where I find it easier talking about Trumps now in my labouring jobs! I have about 15 job agencies, if i'm sick of a job or the people, i just ring an agency up and work somewhere else. You don't get as many women in labouring jobs where it's just men being men which I love! I find about 10% of the jobs I work at, I met someone that heads over to SE Asia cause they are sick of the women here and are a little Red Pill.

Other than that... you always have this forum which is something I try to use to keep me sane while i'm back in the shitty Australia!

 

[blck]

All of this is your own choice...

It's been like this throughout my life but recently it's becoming more certain. By connect, I mean I don't feel like I can identify with the unwashed masses, nor do I feel like people can truly understand me.

That's the first news you have to deal with: "When You know How the magic trick works it's not magic anymore", you want to explain them they're being lead on like cow to the slaughterhouse with the music in background that make them move their head because it feel so good, make them see the tricks as you sees them but they'll resent you for this, stealing the magic from their eyes How will they enjoy it now...

I don't think I've had a close friend in a long time.

You surely have but you'll have to go back in your past looking for friends you trully bonded with over real things from real life not bullshit ass malarkeys... (I get this from my own experience)

In terms of politics, I mean how everyone is either very neutral or anti-Trump, for instance. Or they repeat insane left wing progressive talking points, especially about refugees and other SJW babble like gender equality and homosexuality acceptance(to say nothing of tranny acceptance and the like).

Never engage in discussion about Politics or Religion as people will surely have differents views than yours and will not see you the same after that...

Those two alone isn't a big deal though. I can probably connect with someone cool who otherwise is too lazy(or "chill") to self improve and also is neutral politically, but is interesting to get to know nonetheless. But I feel the dominant culture in NZ at least is simply work, mindless social circle, mindless weekend drinking/"partying"(but there's nothing interesting about it- just hanging around being drunk), rinse and repeat. I feel there's something more to life, like either achieving something with your work or hobbies or going on adventures or doing something cool. But it doesn't seem like everyone else cares about those things.

I wonder if there's more a problem with society in general or with me, and am curious about other forum members' experiences.

You might find your way by becoming an entreupreneur, investing in a relationship that will last, go further and higher that's what I mean, the reward will be greater the harder the task will be...
As a 9-5 employe I see some of my collegues being independants and getting paid greats amount and leak some of that money into buying appartments and what not...
That is the way... at least for me...

I'll post a this here

As you digest the red pill, you'll start to see all the games that people play.

Communication that doesn't communicate.
Telling omissions.
Slights, tiffs, spats....
Word choice
Tone
Mood
Pacing
et cetera

And it will be all over.
Office memos and directives.
Advertising
Movies
Relationships with your friends and family

You're going to get to the point where if you start to act on what you see, you're going to disrupt the social fabric that you live in.

Suddenly your mom can't manipulate you anymore.
Suddenly when your boss says we, she actually just means you, and you're going to correct her.
Your homeboys want to go to that same wack ass bar with the cheap beer, and they drive instead of you....

There's going to be 3 temptations, 3 choices...

1) stay quiet and only use your red pill knowledge with new chicks and new people (most common)

2) play the game - push back when you can, 48 laws of power type stuff (2nd most common)

3) flip the chess board over and scatter the pieces (road less traveled)

What sounds appealing?

WIA

 

[The Catalyst]

A bit of a mild update on the OP.

I have strong reason to believe it's NZ which is(mainly) the problem. Of course, I could be biased and have false hope, that in reality everywhere's the same, but I have good reasoning. I have a few foreign friends and they make similar observations to how boring and unkind NZ culture is. There's a site which details the horrors of people who've immigrated to NZ with shock at how bad it is(how expensive, low wages, boring people[anti intellectualism, no desire to achieve], near third world housing etc). Also I've watched Americans and Europeans on youtube, they seem to be interesting and I'd love to hang around them, despite my strong introversion. I would link my American friends those youtube videos, and they would say those people are nothing special. But I feel I wouldn't be bored around them while I'm very bored around Kiwis.

My long term plan is to leave NZ completely. However, I'm living with my parents atm and they pay for everything right now, so I have to save up and get independent enough to leave and survive on my own.

In the meantime, I have to look on the bright side and make the most of what I've got. There are two extremes which I can't realistically do long term. On one hand, I could go full introvert and only do the things *I* really want to do. However this means no one else would want to do them(Kiwis are very different to me and to "normal" people, and very boring). However humans are social creatures and I can't go longer than a week or two without going somewhat insane, despite my strong introversion.

On the other hand, I've tried hanging out in bars and stuff and meetups with majority kiwi people. Often, I've tug along with acquaintances to their birthday parties/friends' birthday parties/get togethers etc. I've come to realise that I would get bored as hell quite quickly. I would keep positive because that's the socially intelligent thing to do but I certainly can't do this long term, my resentment at my boredom and the feeling that "surely these people can talk about/do more interesting things than that" would create a bad feedback loop inside my head that would create some misery.

The solution which I'm trying right now is a mix. I won't bother doing everything I completely want to do, that's just way too different from everyone else. I'm decently different from people in general, and downright different from Kiwis who are boring as hell. That would just doom me to doing everything solo, when I just need that social connection. On the other hand, I won't go out of my way to break into Kiwi social circles or do what they do. I just have to do something in between, focus on something I somewhat like which Kiwis often do/somewhat like too. This often means having to be more "mainstream" in a sense or just mimicking Kiwi behavior. I'd been trying out a couple of different classes/hobbies, they didn't work as well as I planned but I'll just keep going and doing new things.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

^
How far are you from Queenstown?
Bloody expensive to live there I know, yet when my Aus. friend & I visited; due to the no. of tourists & backpackers living & working there, it became a game of spot the Kiwi.
Might be a brief & close by respite for you to visit.

Otherwise, Aus. is only a three hour plane flight. Save up your coin, check out Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane & the Gold Coast.
See how you fair in those cities.

 

[The Catalyst]

^
How far are you from Queenstown?
Bloody expensive to live there I know, yet when my Aus. friend & I visited; due to the no. of tourists & backpackers living & working there, it became a game of spot the Kiwi.
Might be a brief & close by respite for you to visit.

Otherwise, Aus. is only a three hour plane flight. Save up your coin, check out Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane & the Gold Coast.
See how you fair in those cities.

I'm in Auckland, it's decently far from QT. I might go for it one last time before I leave NZ for good but at the same time I don't feel I have to. I've been to visit Christchurch as well as road tripping up north and everywhere I've been was much shittier than Auck. Maybe I might go to Fiordland and Milford Sound but they look expensive-ish and not as good as everyone says, so I might not be keen to burn money as it's a distraction from my ultimate goal(leaving and enjoying my new place).

I do feel Aus is almost certainly significantly better than NZ but if I am going to be taking the plunge I might as well go straight to Europe(likely EE) or Asia or SA or perhaps even the US if possible.

My main priorities are interesting activities, interesting people(or at least warm and kind), and ease of gaming hot women(or at least mediocre). All of which NZ sorely lacks.

 

[sonoran_]

I feel you, especially when it comes to the main "circus" of the West, sports. I understand the role sports play in society but people these days are taking this shit to uncomfortable levels.

No one is saying to stop watching but when people obsess over it like it is their life and start talking stats, it drives me crazy. I have to sit there like a mute for 15 mins while friends yammer on about how they wish they could jerk off their favorite sports star haha. ( not actually, but if they were given a chance, they probably would)

 

[CynicalContrarian]

To OP.
I'm not in too dissimilar a situation to you (as in finding people that are inspiring to talk to / socialize with / interesting to relate to).
Yet I'm naturally the aloof, lonewolf type, so I get by without much concern. Plus I have enough social outlets to satisfy myself at the moment.

However, when you are above average, it just may be that you'll always be in the minority.

Quote Voxday :

The exchange with the primate psychologist reminds me a little of my mostly failed attempt to explain the IQ delta between very high intelligence and ultra high intelligence to people who are essentially limited to the smart-normal-dumb spectrum. The talking lion can't speak meaningfully about the experience of dumb lions. The UHIQ can't speak any more meaningfully about the experience of midwits than the midwit can describe what it is like to have an IQ of 50.

It shouldn't be hard to grasp the concept that different minds process information differently, and yet, the guy who firmly believes he's wicked smart because he had a 105 IQ in a classroom full of sub-95 IQs quite often assumes the guy with a 140 IQ must be stupid because he can't understand him.

To quote my old sensei, mind the gap.

http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/2017/05/binary-thinkers.html

 

[Elster]

If you put aside the elitist perspective, you might find great pleasure in studying and/or taking part in everyday life and "everyday people" so to speak. No one is perfect and we are no better.
That said, I commend your ambition and your desire to go out and see the world. Traveling is a very enrichening experience and one effect it has on many people is to confirm and even negate their prejudices on their own culture but also appreciate the positive aspects of it too.

 

[malakaix]

I do feel Aus is almost certainly significantly better than NZ but if I am going to be taking the plunge I might as well go straight to Europe(likely EE) or Asia or SA or perhaps even the US if possible.

Yeah it's worth checking out.

I felt 'at home' in Europe when I first went over in 2010. My father was born and raised in England, my mother Australia but her family has ancestral ties to Germany. I've been back multiple times, spending the majority of my time in the east and while that region may struggle economically compared to the west it makes up for it in genuine social interaction (and women).

The west is great for making money, and the east for enjoying it. If your able to strike the balance between that, you're golden.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Goes both ways as well.

 

[britchard]

If you want to work in a professional career and can't speak a foreign language then a first-world Commonwealth country or the US is your best bet.

 

[Kurgan]

To the OP, I've always been detached from society. The only people I know who are red-pilled is my older brother who told me about this and my roommate.

Politics is toxic no matter where you lean in this day and age. My local newspaper kept spouting out the "Trump is Russia's bitch" rhetoric and my friends think he's the reincarnation of Hitler and always have to talk about him and how Republicans are evil but never talk about how Hilary sabotaged their lord and savior Bernie from winning the primaries. Most of my Facebook posts consisted of how much they hated Obama or how Republicans are all a bunch of Nazis or an Occupy Democrats BS post. These people have lived in Democratic run areas their whole life. It's worst with my guy friends, that's all they talk about and they play Magic cards (they're in their 30's). Ok, I get it, you hate the other side with a passion, move on. I have my issues, but you don't see me complaining about it on Facebook because those types of posts can be used against me and someone might not hire me because of that.

The political forums and blogs I used to read had extreme partisans whose views match those who'd love throwing people in gas chambers if they got the chance and are status quo supporters with hard-ons for the death of their opposing political parties.

Red-pill thinking also told me I had to rely on myself to improve myself and can't let anyone do it for me.

I'm also going more to find a social club which would rely on me using bikes as I love to bike. Sometimes, music calms me or playing with my relatives dogs' keeps me happy.

 

[Suits]

I find that living in China makes all of this easier. Not that China itself is strictly redpill, but it's easy to avoid associating with people who will be "offended" if I speak the truth. I can surround myself with quality male friends who might not agree with me on all points, but are smart enough not to be of the "you can't say that, it's 2017" persuasion.

 

[armenia4ever]

As others have pointed out, this is a phase. It might be a long one, but you can control what direction this phase takes, as well as how you handle it.

Usually, like minded company helps to lift your spirits and morale - especially when you see the world for what it truly is. These don't have to be "Red-Pilled" people - just individuals and groups who are willing to call it as they see it. Far more of those people are around then we lead ourselves to believe. Often, they just need someone else whose bold to lead the charge so to speak.

You'll be shocked by what people actually think. If you flush it out of them, they will begin to speak more and with decreasing amounts of fear.

I highly advise getting involved in groups that are more social in function. Volleyball leagues, church or bar softball teams, even a group of guys who get together and play cards or games. I highly recommend the latter. You need to find places and people to be yourself with or you will feel like you are going crazy.

 

[RiderKnight]

To add to everyone else's gym suggestion: go to one with all the big, "judgmental-looking" men. Women don't go to those gyms. You don't need a gym with women in it.