Female fertility and age

Seeker79

Kingfisher
Personal anecdote, but one that has definitely made me even more convinced of the need to marry younger woman is what happened to my buddy recently. He was 31 years old. Struggled with dating for many years but also has a very busy and stressful career. He makes decent living and can support a family without needing a wife to work but due to his looks and personality he struggled with women most of his life.

Finally he met someone online, an older woman (34) of average looks and unhealthy habits. She is not fat but definitely a slob. Started dating her and within 6 months proposed to her. All his friends, myself included, told him this this was a bad idea. His mother threatened to cutoff relations if he married her. He didn't care. He finally found someone and due to his career was eager to start a family and not waste anymore time. Fast forward two years and they have had multiple miscarriages. Due to miscarriages and health concern she stopped working. Now both are older. He is pushing 34 and she is closer to 40 than him. She maybe barren but he can't leave her out of loyalty and fear of being alone.
 
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TheMaleBrain

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Personal anecdote
I use to have a very good female friend. We known each other from high school and stayed in touch. In hindsight, I might have been her "Plan B".
She was hot, but problematic.
She froze her eggs in her late 30s. When I tried to discuss "the fertility problem" with her, she would go blank. She did not want to hear about it. She wanted to wait for "the right guy".

She just got mad hearing about it. It was shattering her "worldview" an she didn't want that.

Unsurprisingly, we are no longer in touch, ever since I took the red pill
 

Waverer

Robin
Personal anecdote
I use to have a very good female friend. We known each other from high school and stayed in touch. In hindsight, I might have been her "Plan B".
She was hot, but problematic.
She froze her eggs in her late 30s. When I tried to discuss "the fertility problem" with her, she would go blank. She did not want to hear about it. She wanted to wait for "the right guy".

She just got mad hearing about it. It was shattering her "worldview" an she didn't want that.

Unsurprisingly, we are no longer in touch, ever since I took the red pill

Is she a mother yet? I think I can guess...
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
It's ironic, but the countries where the men look most beta, like Malaysia, have the women in line the most. A good marriage, particularly to a man who is not abusive is highly sought after in such places. While the Western woman is so spoiled for choice that she can't choose until she's lost her best choices.

Yup.
 

mubs100

 
Banned
From what I've read the issue is related to the number of healthy eggs the woman has left. Healthy eggs are more likely to be fertilized, but the healthier ones are the ones that get used up earlier so in later age the woman has a higher rate of unhealthy eggs so its more difficult to get pregnant.

So I guess there must be a relationship with the general health and attractiveness of the woman and the likelihood of her having healthier eggs in later age, if that helps.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
From what I've read the issue is related to the number of healthy eggs the woman has left. Healthy eggs are more likely to be fertilized, but the healthier ones are the ones that get used up earlier so in later age the woman has a higher rate of unhealthy eggs so its more difficult to get pregnant.

So I guess there must be a relationship with the general health and attractiveness of the woman and the likelihood of her having healthier eggs in later age, if that helps.

Following information is from Extend Fertility, a feminist IVF and egg freezing service. Even their info is based on reality, yet women still remain delusional. Just smdh. The takeaways are my thoughts of the information.

As you age, a higher and higher percentage of the eggs inside your ovaries contain genetic abnormalities.

The eggs inside your ovaries are “primordial,” or immature eggs. As you ovulate, they go through another phase of cell division, known as meiosis. Older eggs are more likely to accumulate errors in their DNA during that division process, leading to genetically abnormal eggs.
Once a cell’s DNA is degraded, it can’t be fixed medically or “healed.” In other words, once an egg becomes abnormal, it can’t become normal again—egg quality cannot be improved. Egg quality is fairly black-and-white—either an egg is genetically “normal” (euploid) or it’s not (aneuploid), and as women age, a higher and higher percentage of their eggs become abnormal.

Since DNA is like an instruction manual for our cells, any damage to your DNA can prevent that cell from doing what it’s supposed to do—which, in the case of the egg, is make a healthy baby.

Takeaway: hitting the wall is a literal biological fact. Women who refuse to acknowledge the effects of aging are denying the fact that the DNA in their eggs are literally rotting away one at a time.

Graph of the average percentage of embryos that are genetically normal


Egg quality declines over time

There’s no test for egg quality. The only way to know if an egg is chromosomally normal is to attempt to fertilize it, and, if fertilization is successful, to perform a genetic test on the embryo. But because DNA damage is inevitable in older eggs, your age can give doctors a fairly accurate picture of what percentage of your eggs will be genetically normal.

When we talk about a woman’s egg quality, we’re talking about the expected percentage of her total number of eggs that are normal. For better or worse, this is purely a function of age. In stark contrast to the “wide range of normal” we see when it comes to egg count, the impact of age on egg quality is consistent and universal. In other words: women in their 20s will have mostly normal eggs, though they already have some abnormal ones. And women in their 40s will have mostly abnormal eggs—no matter how healthy a lifestyle they maintain.

Takeaway: mother nature doesn't care about your career, education, social status, or any other cultural construction.

Fertility and egg quality are directly connected.

Women’s ovaries are naturally programmed to allow just one egg to grow, mature, and be released (“ovulated”) each cycles (usually each month). That one egg represents the one chance for pregnancy in that particular menstrual cycle.

That egg ovulated may be either normal or abnormal. If it’s normal, great—you have a healthy pregnancy. But if it’s not? Abnormal egg cells typically don’t fertilize or implant in the uterus, but in the rare case they do, they can result in miscarriage or genetic disorders like Down syndrome.

The difference in egg quality between a 25-year-old and a 40-year-old is a matter of the statistical likelihood of the one egg she’s ovulated being normal. Because women in their late 30s and 40s have a higher percentage of abnormal eggs, it’s much more likely that their one egg each month will be abnormal. That’s why natural fertility declines with age, and why we see infertility, miscarriage, and genetic disorders more often with women over 35.

Takeaway: eggs are limited in quantity. Fertilization is a complex and high cost (in terms of physical impact and risk for mother) event.
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
^^ Thank you for your post, @monsquid . This is great information for those who don't know the finer details of female infertility. Seeing how this is coming from an IVF service, you be rest assured that the stats are made to look more optimistic than the reality. This graph already looks bad...you can only imagine what the reality actually is. At age 30, the fertility should show to be much lower, along with the later ages.

Also, keep in mind if you're a Catholic you CANNOT use IVF services. Any sort of artificial insemination or artificial manner to get pregnant is against church teaching.
 

Waverer

Robin
I love dogs but I keep seeing couples struggling to conceive getting one just before they end up pregnant. They then have to worry about walking him every day for 15 years in addition to raising a family, generating an income etc...
 
I love dogs but I keep seeing couples struggling to conceive getting one just before they end up pregnant. They then have to worry about walking him every day for 15 years in addition to raising a family, generating an income etc...

Could this be the cure for infertility? Getting a dog? Or does correlation not equal causation? ;)
 

GWYW2015

 
Banned
Orthodox
You should also consider the risk of Down syndrome or other issues. After 40, the chances climb and are about 1% at that age.

However, @Thomas More is correct: there's more to it. Having kids later means less energy... for you and your wife. It also means less time to have a bigger family.

If you're fine with that, and you mean a 36 year old, I wouldn't worry too much about having to get busy a few extra times a month to make that kid (or the second or third) happen. After all...think about what we're talking about here. :D
I am 58, my wife is 31 and I am still trying. I am definitely concerned about birth defects on account of my age. I don't want her to wait until she is 40.
Biblically, I understand God opens and closes the womb and if he allows a birth then he wanted to allow that birth. Since we are married and trying out of obedience to God, I'd like to think that the chance of birth defects is lower but I just don't know what to do sometimes. We do need to trust him, I know that much but it is still on my mind a lot.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
Kanazawa is awesome again there, I clicked on another link of his.

As I explain in an earlier post, modern feminism is illogical, unnecessary, and evil. Modern feminists are wrong about everything. The females of all mammalian species, including humans, always have more power than the males, and, in every human society, women are slightly better off than men are. If there is anything that is bad or unkind to women, it is the space-time continuum. The uniform and unidirectional progression of time – where time only moves in one direction and all of us uniformly get older – is the only thing that is detrimental to women and beneficial to men. No matter how much they wish, women cannot reverse the course of time; they have to get older, heavier, and have more sexual partners as time progresses. In contrast, men can at least hope and dream of making more money and having more sexual partners (if not getting taller) in the future.
 
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