infowarrior1
Hummingbird
The reason The reason we keep getting deplatormed isn't simply because organizations like Patreon and other payment processes are compromised. But also MasterCard is also financially deplatforming people:
Financial deplatforming thread
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infowarrior1
Hummingbird
This shows that the conspiracy is worse than we think. And "Woke" isn't spontaneous stupidity. There is ample organization utilizing and supplying those pawns.
Magnus Stout
Robin
Idea: Why not use something like a "token" system?
Think: Arcades in the 80s and 90s. You put dollars to get tokens to use for playing games. So, the "dollar-to-tokens" machine is the only thing that needs to interface with the financial system.
Another intermediary can be used to host content and accept tokens so there is no direct linkage between the "dollar-to-tokens" machine and the "harmful" content.
This system would need to be headed by very trustworthy people, since you could easily steal money. But, you could move to a different token system (translating tokens) every week if they banned it.
All of this hints at the eventual Beast system and the Mark. There are loopholes in the system right now which is why the Mark will be forced. We will be left with barter.
Think: Arcades in the 80s and 90s. You put dollars to get tokens to use for playing games. So, the "dollar-to-tokens" machine is the only thing that needs to interface with the financial system.
Another intermediary can be used to host content and accept tokens so there is no direct linkage between the "dollar-to-tokens" machine and the "harmful" content.
This system would need to be headed by very trustworthy people, since you could easily steal money. But, you could move to a different token system (translating tokens) every week if they banned it.
All of this hints at the eventual Beast system and the Mark. There are loopholes in the system right now which is why the Mark will be forced. We will be left with barter.
Crypto
Magnus Stout
Robin
Crypto? This is how the IRS views them. So, it seems a token-based system would afford better distance from the system.
Easy_C
Peacock
Crypto isn’t a solution. Central banks have an agenda(publicly stated) which involves banning both physical cash and non-bank crypto while forcing everyone into a central bank created cryptocurrency that they can then use to track all transactions and enforce negative interest rates.
Roosh
Cardinal
Visa has completely blacklisted Andrew Torba of Gab.
pjmedia.com
Turns out that Visa was camping on his page and contacting all his credit merchants to get him shut down for "illegal" activity that is actually not illegal.
Chinese-Style Social Credit Is Here: Gab Founder Says He's Blocked From Using Visa Over Vague 'Hate Speech' Charge
The social media alternative platform known for free speech, Gab, has been blacklisted by Visa for vague allegations of "hate speech." The owner, Andrew Torba
pjmedia.com
jarlo
Woodpecker
Torba will be able to plug the revenue hit to some extent with Bitcoin, but the main problem with crypto-based payment processing is that it's hard to sustain a subscription-based business just on crypto. You want people to make a purchasing decision just one time, rather than contemplate the purchasing decision each month.
Magnus Stout
Robin
Andrew Torba, creator of Gab, is now banned from Visa for no lawful reason.
I believe Vox Day and Benjamin Owen are making progress suing Patreon (it is arbitration, so private). There is some hope of a Lawfare solution, but I think VISA would claim 1A protections to defeat a lawsuit (and, SCOTUS would probably side with them like in the recent AmEx case).
I believe Vox Day and Benjamin Owen are making progress suing Patreon (it is arbitration, so private). There is some hope of a Lawfare solution, but I think VISA would claim 1A protections to defeat a lawsuit (and, SCOTUS would probably side with them like in the recent AmEx case).
Foolsgo1d
Peacock
An electronic piece of data cant be blocked by the most powerful institutions on Earth? I suppose you believe whatsApp is secure and cant be cracked too right?
It's a lot harder to block Bitcoin/etc than to convince Visa to shut them down. That's all any security is -- putting up barriers as a deterrent. The barriers to blocking crypto is much harder. These sites should use those options instead of accepting credit cards, Patreon, and Paypal, which is certain to be blocked.
I've been a bit conflicted about Bitcoin and crypto as it clearly serves the globalist agenda. Case in point most of the big pundits and renowned players in the field are rabid globalists/leftists. However that said, this may be one of the cases where we may be able to use their own weapons against them. The US dollar reserve currency status is an important consideration and losing that status would have wide implications for US hegemony.
Now imagine a situation where an increasing number of conservatives and, let's be honest, WHITE conservatives publicly push for an 'unbiased and uncensored global crypto economy' - the instant cognitive dissonance of the mostly leftist crypto pundits would be a sight to behold. And a movement like this would not be too difficult to put into motion. There are enough of us to make almost every single product on earth available via crypto. Even Amazon purchases would be possible via 3rd party reshippers that would collect a small fee in return.
It would not take too long for the Feds to snap into action. And yes they would most likely attempt to make crypto illegal for US and European citizens. It's already difficult as many exchanges refuse to accept US residents/citizens. However it's crypto and there is very little they can do about someone exchanging cash or services/work for crypto and the other way around. Once vendors realize that they are losing customers in droves as they are unable to accept crypto they will be forced to lobby for change. In the end money always talks and bullshit walks.
Not saying it would be easy but let's be honest guys, we really don't have a choice. It's only a matter of time until every single one of us has their career destroyed, their CC accounts cancelled, their reputation ruined, and is effectively rendered incapable of subsisting in a 21st century digital network economy. It's time to stop bitching about Visa, MC, PP, etc. and adopt a payment mechanism that has been designed from the ground up around the notion of decentralization.
wayfaringstranger
Kingfisher
I imagine a lot of the pressure is coming from banks /creditors as well.
If republicans were smart and not corrupt they would require all federal contractors - meaning banks - to do nothing to impeded the 1st or second amendment or lose their FDIC insurance and bank charter.
But Conservationism, Inc, is neither smart nor virtuous. They are rotten to the core.
If republicans were smart and not corrupt they would require all federal contractors - meaning banks - to do nothing to impeded the 1st or second amendment or lose their FDIC insurance and bank charter.
But Conservationism, Inc, is neither smart nor virtuous. They are rotten to the core.
Foolsgo1d
Peacock
Visa is one of several processors who answer to a single entity. The reason the US is so good at censoring and economic warfare is the US petrodollar and SWIFT. Cryptos are allowed by these same powers so its not a VISA thing. Anything electronic is not safe.
So what payment method can one use currently, which does not serve the globalist agenda? People need to pay bills and buy things.
kel
Ostrich
None, really. Cash, kinda, while it lasts. And crypto is better than normal payment processors, despite what some here are saying, if you can acquire it anonymously, keep it safe, and find places that accept it, three not at all trivial "if"s, unfortunately.
Best thing you can do to fight the globalist agenda is circulate your money - in whatever form - within your own community as much as possible. Buy beef from the farmer ten minutes away, not Cargill shit at Walmart, two corporations that absolutely hate you. Get your clothes mended at the tailor (a dry cleaner will usually do simple repairs) rather than buying new stuff, given that just about every clothing company fucking hates you. We're all stuck in some regards - I have no choice where I get electricity from, or who I pay taxes to - but do the best you can and be willing to put in the extra time and money it takes.
Best thing you can do to fight the globalist agenda is circulate your money - in whatever form - within your own community as much as possible. Buy beef from the farmer ten minutes away, not Cargill shit at Walmart, two corporations that absolutely hate you. Get your clothes mended at the tailor (a dry cleaner will usually do simple repairs) rather than buying new stuff, given that just about every clothing company fucking hates you. We're all stuck in some regards - I have no choice where I get electricity from, or who I pay taxes to - but do the best you can and be willing to put in the extra time and money it takes.
infowarrior1
Hummingbird
They require access to electricity. It's a key vulnerability that limits it's potential.