Finding a Religious Wife - Discussion

ilostabet

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
A good woman can call herself an atheist, yet fulfill more of the Gospel, while an evil woman can call herself a Christian, yet neither behave nor believe accordingly. A good woman will learn the Truth if it's offered to her, while an evil woman may have been born into it, but will only wear it as a souvenir.

You will know them by their fruits.

When I met my wife, neither of us were religious. She followed me and embraced it because she had the basic disposition to do so, the natural or nurtured inclination - unlike so many girls I have met which were permanently involved in Church activities and with Jesus and Mary on their lips, while being the worst gossipers, the most vain, the biggest sluts, and none inclined to be a proper Christian wife.

Following your lead is the key aspect of a good wife. But you have to be worthy of being followed by a good woman and keep working on being worthy, so she will do the same.

Complaining about the state of women, regardless of how correct the observations are, will not move you closer to being worthy of a good woman, nor of making one inclined to be worthy of you.
 

Georgepithyou

 
Banned
I'm honestly willing to Convert and start going to Church every Sunday, as well as follow all the laws for the chance to be with a good God fearing woman who is untainted by modern "society". I've been looking into Jehovas witnesses and will be attending one of thwir meetings to see what it's like.
 

EndsExpect

Kingfisher
Tex said:
Really a lot of this discussion is forgetting to mention that marriage isn't all "must be religious, low notch count, not degenerate, not leftist." You're not just looking for the perfect forum member here.
The X factor--the biggest factor honestly--is her compatibility with you. Some of the other stuff will even fall into place over time if you find someone who is compatible with you.
Only then do you know what woman you can honestly marry.

Compatibility changes.

We don't talk about love much on this forum. We talk about sex and dating and a lot of other relationship pieces, but we rarely talk about love.

I'm going to be very blunt with you... atheist and agnostic women are always a bad bet. When I see a friend start thinking about marrying one, the roulette wheel starts playing in my head, because those are your odds.

Love. To most women love is a feeling. They either feel in love or they don't. When they don't feel that love for you... which usually fades after a few years... then they bounce onto a new guy. If they have kids with you, then they start to resent the shit out of you for keeping them from finding a guy they believe will make them feel "love". This is sheer stupidity, but it's how women are raised to think today and it feels natural to them.

In reality... love isn't a feeling. Love is a choice. It's a hard fucking choice. You have to wake up every day and say... I choose to love this woman. Religious women tend to understand this because it is dictated by God. They don't expect to feel in love all the time. So, sometimes that feeling fades... and then they put in some work and it comes back.

Perhaps I should make a separate thread for this.
 

wwtl

 
Banned
EndsExpect said:
Tex said:
Really a lot of this discussion is forgetting to mention that marriage isn't all "must be religious, low notch count, not degenerate, not leftist." You're not just looking for the perfect forum member here.
The X factor--the biggest factor honestly--is her compatibility with you. Some of the other stuff will even fall into place over time if you find someone who is compatible with you.
Only then do you know what woman you can honestly marry.

Compatibility changes.

We don't talk about love much on this forum. We talk about sex and dating and a lot of other relationship pieces, but we rarely talk about love.

I'm going to be very blunt with you... atheist and agnostic women are always a bad bet. When I see a friend start thinking about marrying one, the roulette wheel starts playing in my head, because those are your odds.

Love. To most women love is a feeling. They either feel in love or they don't. When they don't feel that love for you... which usually fades after a few years... then they bounce onto a new guy. If they have kids with you, then they start to resent the shit out of you for keeping them from finding a guy they believe will make them feel "love". This is sheer stupidity, but it's how women are raised to think today and it feels natural to them.

In reality... love isn't a feeling. Love is a choice. It's a hard fucking choice. You have to wake up every day and say... I choose to love this woman. Religious women tend to understand this because it is dictated by God. They don't expect to feel in love all the time. So, sometimes that feeling fades... and then they put in some work and it comes back.

Perhaps I should make a separate thread for this.

After my conversion two years ago I asked the Lord for a religious wife. It decided be bold, because I saw no way for Him to actually answer it. As a MGHOW hermit living frugal I didn't go dating for a decade and I'm still not doing it. So I wasn't taking my request very serious and my prayer was pretty over the top: I asked for child-loving (near-)virgin 8.5+ (of course!), sharing my musical gift, Bible-carrying Christian. Yes, nothing less, the full package! Yes, I know how this sounds - as if someone like me in my income bracket would deserve anything like that.

Then this year out of blue sky the Lord put a girl into my life, matching the entire list. And she immediately got infatuated with me (of course!). Since then I'm just baffled watching how God works on both me and her to put His plan into effect. It's just "coincidences", "lucky" moments, parish people correcting her and me, as well as a lot of quality time at church outside worship piling up, without me having to do anything resembling game or officially dating her. The whole list of "fornication guides" as Roosh calls it now, it seems they're not needed at all. Things progress at God's pace.

All I did was telling the Lord that I fully submit to His will and follow along with His plan. Now I'm just fascinated how the Almighty works on seemingly completely impossible things. And I have to accept the fact, that my own power in arranging these miracles is essentially nil.

And that's what I want you to take from this testimony. It's not about boasting about some "happy accident" which might lead somewhere (it's still WIP), but to entrust your wishes to the Lord Christ, even if you think they are unrealistic. If it's in His plan, He will give to you, but only if you ask for it and have faith.

Oh, and it helps to stay away from sin, attend church every week and pay your tithe.
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
SilentOne said:
Flaghunter

Religious girls aren't anymore honest or have a low notch count as any other girl; maybe better at fooling you. Just find somebody you're compatible with and willingness to submit to you.

I should also point out that there are religious, zero-notch-count women you might meet at Church who are just as cruel and back-biting as any secular woman (if not more so). One of the Saints, I forget which one, pointed out that purity of the body isn't really worth anything without purity of the soul to go with it. Honestly at this point I'm starting to think that just think finding a woman you really get along and connect with is probably a better option than having a list of requirements that few if any women are realistically going to meet.
 

wwtl

 
Banned
Kid Twist said:
Sounds like wwtl made a deal

I was just careless as a new believer and then forgot about it for two years. Now dealing the consequences I decided that it's the smartest decision to not interfere with divine power and just watch how it plays out.

But I noticed how the thread deals with the topic of finding a "religious wife" by purely implementing worldly measures. Under my circumstances that would never work out. One of the reasons why I turned to the Lord: I need His help.
 

EndsExpect

Kingfisher
wwtl said:
After my conversion two years ago I asked the Lord for a religious wife. It decided be bold, because I saw no way for Him to actually answer it. As a MGHOW hermit living frugal I didn't go dating for a decade and I'm still not doing it. So I wasn't taking my request very serious and my prayer was pretty over the top: I asked for child-loving (near-)virgin 8.5+ (of course!), sharing my musical gift, Bible-carrying Christian. Yes, nothing less, the full package! Yes, I know how this sounds - as if someone like me in my income bracket would deserve anything like that.
Then this year out of blue sky the Lord put a girl into my life, matching the entire list. And she immediately got infatuated with me (of course!). Since then I'm just baffled watching how God works on both me and her to put His plan into effect. It's just "coincidences", "lucky" moments, parish people correcting her and me, as well as a lot of quality time at church outside worship piling up, without me having to do anything resembling game or officially dating her. The whole list of "fornication guides" as Roosh calls it now, it seems they're not needed at all. Things progress at God's pace.
All I did was telling the Lord that I fully submit to His will and follow along with His plan. Now I'm just fascinated how the Almighty works on seemingly completely impossible things. And I have to accept the fact, that my own power in arranging these miracles is essentially nil.
And that's what I want you to take from this testimony. It's not about boasting about some "happy accident" which might lead somewhere (it's still WIP), but to entrust your wishes to the Lord Christ, even if you think they are unrealistic. If it's in His plan, He will give to you, but only if you ask for it and have faith.
Oh, and it helps to stay away from sin, attend church every week and pay your tithe.

I could have written this same post when I was 20. I was a fool at 20.

You do not perform good works in order to receive God's blessing. You may find as I did that the zero notch count, super into you, Christian woman that you marry, becomes a cheating whore in 5 years or 10 years. What you believe is a blessing today may be something to humble you and bring you to your knees in years to come.

Women are human too, and sometimes they fuck up... actually a lot of times they fuck up. Especially when they have poor male leaders around them. That doesn't mean they are shit.

I think a lot of younger guys get obsessed with the idea of virgin girls because of their own insecurities. Don't be one of those guys.
 
EndsExpect said:
You do not perform good works in order to receive God's blessing.

Amen. Look at Job, or Hosea, or Samson. Especially Hosea. There's no guarantee of happiness this side of heaven.

So much of what Christ said in the gospel revolved around how we've got to lose our attachments. If we choose to follow Him, we might have to go without family, without possessions, without any of the earthly things we want.
 

EndsExpect

Kingfisher
Emperor Constantine said:
Amen. Look at Job, or Hosea, or Samson. Especially Hosea. There's no guarantee of happiness this side of heaven.
So much of what Christ said in the gospel revolved around how we've got to lose our attachments. If we choose to follow Him, we might have to go without family, without possessions, without any of the earthly things we want.

I think it's also worth mentioning that the most righteous and blessed group of people within the Jewish community at the time Jesus began his ministry were the ones he preached against and the ones who eventually had him crucified.

I think in some ways it's worth reexamining how we evaluate women. I've had pretty negative experiences with women who married young as virgins. I know this works out for a lot of guys, but it's absolutely not a silver bullet. However, I'm also not saying that the post wall cock carousel riders are a good choice... in fact I'd say your chances are probably better with the virgins. I just think maybe the actual notch count is less important than the reason behind it.... just a thought.
 

Bolly

 
Banned
Other Christian
For you younger Christian guys out there, if wanting to find a true religious wife check out Hyles-Anderson College in Indiana. It's for independent fundamental Baptists (not to be confused with you cucked out southern Baptists etc) who are largely red pilled, uncucked, and where women are still women and men are men. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, one of the few if not only Bible colleges where there's programs for women to get there bachelor's in "Marriage and Motherhood". Here's from the website:

"This course of study is designed to train ladies to be capable wives and mothers. Ladies are given vital training in Biblical concepts of marriage and child-rearing, as well as in practical skills such as cooking, sewing, and household management".

If you're not keen on a full degree, there's some one year degree programs in Bible study and what not. I could never recccomend a four year degree in Bible study or some bs like that. All you need is the Bible, your brain to learn, and maybe some unpussed preachers to look up to. But if you want to surround yourself with red pilled Christian men and women for a year it might be a good investment. Not sure what tuition is like. Might not be an option for older guys as American girls are still gonna be American girls, but for younger guys out there who are marriage and family oriented might be something to consider and a safe bet to find a true Christian wife who knows her place and wants to look up to you. Your daygame opener could be easy..."hey do you know where you're going when you die?" haha.

https://hylesanderson.edu/marriage-and-motherhood/

https://hylesanderson.edu/bible-diploma/

 

wwtl

 
Banned
EndsExpect said:
I could have written this same post when I was 20. I was a fool at 20.

You do not perform good works in order to receive God's blessing. You may find as I did that the zero notch count, super into you, Christian woman that you marry, becomes a cheating whore in 5 years or 10 years. What you believe is a blessing today may be something to humble you and bring you to your knees in years to come.

We're in the West here, everything is already broken beyond repair:

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It's a given. I know this. That's why I'm not the guy who tries to create and control a situation impossible to control with his own human means (something this thread is about). I'm just following the Lord's plan, whatever it looks like. And yes, it's pretty normal to get called a fool for doing so.

"Rejoice if you are insulted for the name of Christ, because the Spirit of glory and of God rest on you" - 1 Peter 4:13–14
 

wwtl

 
Banned
Emperor Constantine said:
So much of what Christ said in the gospel revolved around how we've got to lose our attachments. If we choose to follow Him, we might have to go without family, without possessions, without any of the earthly things we want.

Exactly. I already consented (with His will) and the fact that it might not be a joyride at all. But you can still turn to Him for things you want. It never hurts to ask.
 

wwtl

 
Banned
Spectrumwalker said:
For you younger Christian guys out there, if wanting to find a true religious wife check out Hyles-Anderson College in Indiana. It's for independent fundamental Baptists (not to be confused with you cucked out southern Baptists etc) who are largely red pilled, uncucked, and where women are still women and men are men. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, one of the few if not only Bible colleges where there's programs for women to get there bachelor's in "Marriage and Motherhood". Here's from the website:

"This course of study is designed to train ladies to be capable wives and mothers. Ladies are given vital training in Biblical concepts of marriage and child-rearing, as well as in practical skills such as cooking, sewing, and household management".

If you're not keen on a full degree, there's some one year degree programs in Bible study and what not. I could never recccomend a four year degree in Bible study or some bs like that. All you need is the Bible, your brain to learn, and maybe some unpussed preachers to look up to. But if you want to surround yourself with red pilled Christian men and women for a year it might be a good investment. Not sure what tuition is like. Might not be an option for older guys as American girls are still gonna be American girls, but for younger guys out there who are marriage and family oriented might be something to consider and a safe bet to find a true Christian wife who knows her place and wants to look up to you. Your daygame opener could be easy..."hey do you know where you're going when you die?" haha.

Or do it like me: Ask the Lord, get set up with a Christian collection of red flags, give testimonials of the living God and try teaching her some conservative values, she opens up to it and gets baptized in the Holy Spirit as result. Starts using words like "conscience", then suddenly flakes, because now you're not holy enough for her. The irony...
 

Kid Twist

 
Banned
In the West at this point you have to almost part of what others would consider a cult to have the proper beliefs and in-group selection (tradition and beliefs) that we are looking for. I think the posts here confirm it. It truly is all about the culture.

Of course there are exceptions, but for those of us who are 30+, the game for the most part, has passed us by. Luckily, not all four corners of the earth have been savaged by the attack on family, religion, and women.
 
Corleone said:
EndsExpect said:
Since the forum is making a bit of a U-Turn, I think might be worthwhile for me to drop this information in the week before I go.

I'm going to say up front that I believe finding a Muslim or a Hindu wife is pretty easy, because those cultures seriously reinforce the religious teaching and make the women naturally higher quality.

This primary question comes from Christian guys who really struggle to find a woman in a culture that pushes females in the opposite direction of quality. So, I'm just going to put down my top observations here.

1. Submission. The Christian religion tells women to submit to their husbands as they would submit to God. If a woman won't submit to God... then she won't submit to you either. Notice the Bible doesn't say "submit to your husband if he is perfect or only when he is right"... it says always. I know women who have a very willful spirit, but are submissive to their husband. This is the type I like most. Either way when you are dealing with a woman you should make this a serious topic of discussion and then pay extreme attention to this. Don't be afraid to push the envelope here. Also, you will run into women who are naturally submissive, you have to watch this type because they can fool you.

By the way... the culture literally tells women to be dominant or equal to a man. So, this is a great test of what they actually believe.

2. Spiritually minded. Women that are happy to attend church. The ones that show up on Easter and Christmas only are a bad choice. You want someone who will be an encouragement to your faith, not a burden. Some women only like church for the social aspect so watch for this too. A spiritual woman will engage in bible study and read or study on her own time. Christians call this being "Equally Yoked".

3. Helper. It's important that a woman you choose be a helper to you. Think of the type of woman that will make you a lunch before you leave for work. Not all women help in the same way though. If she helps you fill out TPS reports for work, that can be just as good as ironing your clothes. Don't get caught up in the 1950's stereotype woman.

4. Children. This is just my opinion, but I've noticed that solid Christian women enjoy kids and family. You have to look pretty deep on this though. I know quite a few ladies who are good housewives and solid Christian women, but on some level resent the work they have to do for their kids. Hiking a mountain is hard work, but lots of people enjoy it and do it for fun. This should be the approach to caring for kids. Overly controlling women really struggle. I will say this... women who like kids often want to have lots of them. I suggest that this might be a way to determine. Ultimately it may remain unknown until you have one with her as I think most women don't know themselves how they will feel about it. I have noticed that women from large families tend to love kids more than ones from small families.

Last point on children. Careers for women are a tough subject. Know that across the board women find over 60% of their affair partners at work. I think that a good Christian woman will choose children over careers every time. I know some women I consider to be great that work 2 or 3 days a month. I recently saw a church implode after the church secretary got caught with the pastor. So, my suggestion is to have a woman who works less than 20 hours a week, or stays home. I know housewives tend to go crazy a bit... so you have to compensate for this by giving her some outlets. This is just my opinion and everyone is different.

5. Sexuality. This is a super tough one. I suggest you just talk about it with her in advance. If you are and aged out player... I think maybe be up front about it. If you are a virgin... I strongly suggest you find a girl that is the same. Some churches have lots of 30 something single moms. I'm not going to tell you that these women are unworthy, but lets just say they are significantly higher risk, and I don't even care what kind of sob story they give you. If they married an asshole at age 19 and divorced after a mess of a marriage, keep in mind she picked that guy, and thats likely what she is attracted to naturally. My suggestion is that you never marry a woman with more experience than yourself. I also suggest you marry a woman that can handle your libido. If you wind up in a sexless marriage, something is deadly wrong.

I want to say that even though I'm posting info on Christian women, anyone of any faith is welcome to jump in and provide any info. I'm including atheists in that because believing that there is nothing requires faith too.

This is an interesting topic for me, as I have some experiences in the past few years on this topic. And I am interested in responses too.

1. Submission- First, let me say that the church I have the most experience with, is in a very conservative area of the nation. This is important, as you'll soon see.

We had men's meetings before church most times. And we spoke of this issue. Lots of elders there, so it was interesting. It was said that "the reason young men get married is usually for the promise of adequate sex. But, we all learn differently" lol!

"And the woman marries for life/financial freedom/stability/quality family life".

When the subject or the book of Ephesians got mentioned in the full church setting, and esp/ on FB among men and women from our church, it was unbelievable how many of these women who seemed so Christian and nice, would get downright crappy about the mere mention of Ephesians. I found this particularly interesting.
And the women's responses got to be darkly humorous:whip:. Even and especially the older ones (55-85 year olds). I'm guessing you certainly wouldn't see this attitude in a Muslim place of worship! :exclamation:

I'm tired so that's all I'll say for now, but hope it brings some convo on this subject.

The dead bedroom thing seems disturbingly common. Do you think it's less of a risk outside of America?
 

wwtl

 
Banned
Georgepithyou said:
It doesn't matter where you go, women are women everywhere.

The difference is Islamic cultures actually enforce their laws, while Christian ones don't.

The Muslim culture of controlling females isn't actually "religious". It's a purely worldly law system enforced by humans. This works just as well in a secular scenario. Similarly even non-religious men profited from "Christian culture" and now that culture is gone, because piggy-backing on something doesn't work for long.

Now your only choice is a wife, who commits to God who is expecting you commit to God and then trust Him alone, while staying away from sin, to protect your family from degeneracy, instead of depending on "culture" keeping someone in check.

Of course, that requires a lot of faith and sacrifice and most people don't want to go that far.
 

Castillo

Pigeon
There are good and badly behaved women (and men) in all cultures. My long (but limited) experience has shown that the best girls I ever met did not have a specific religion, but were brought up very well by their parents.

I have two brothers - one married a Christian and the other a Muslim. One is divorced and the others wife threatens divorce regularly. One wife’s parents divorced several times, and the other wife’s mother has the most vile mouth you have ever heard. They have 3 children each. Ultimately these beautiful children are the ones who suffer the most.

I guess the point I’m making is choose very carefully regardless of their religion and don’t assume a religious girl will be better than a non-religious girl. There are a number of other factors to take into consideration and how the girl was brought up is very important in my experience.
 
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