Finding a Religious Wife - Discussion

[hervens]

I noticed a big part of the discussion is on finding a religious wife as a single male.
However, what if you're already in an established LTR, but the girl in question is not religious ?

I was agnostic in the beginning of the relationship, and later converted.
My big dilemma right now is whether to move forward with the relationship in terms of marriage and such as initialy planned, or dump her and try to start over with someone of similar faith.

 

[bgbusiness]

This is my opinion but #1 for me is OBEDIENCE.

If a girl doesn't obey you and fights you on every little thing then you're in trouble. Stubbornness is a major red flag for me and I've never enjoyed a woman who was disobedient.

Agreed 100%. Compliance is HUGE.

 

[NoMoreTO]

I noticed a big part of the discussion is on finding a religious wife as a single male.
However, what if you're already in an established LTR, but the girl in question is not religious ?

I was agnostic in the beginning of the relationship, and later converted.
My big dilemma right now is whether to move forward with the relationship in terms of marriage and such as initialy planned, or dump her and try to start over with someone of similar faith.

I am going through this.

It is generally considered 'unwise'. You can only set an example, which for a new convert is difficult. Similarly, you may push a false conversion by hinging yourself into the situation as a prize so to speak. Also, a non religious woman will likely be bringing you into fornication or other forms of impurity. Its a constant battle that if you had a woman with faith, there would be 2 of you helping each other when one has a weak moment. You would know internally that she wants to follow God, vs. the "oh man I know she wants it" rationalization process.

Myself, I separated myself explaining that I want to marry in the faith.
The woman was fairly understanding. At the end of the day I started feeling convicted about this from within.I still see her a couple of times a week but outside the home and in a more friendly manner. She seems more interested in learning now than before. Also, the boundaries are honest, so there is less confusion or division between us because we know where we stand.

I am Catholic and despite what some parishes teach, a marriage outside of Catholicism is against Canon Law. A 'dispensation', or exception can be granted by the Bishop, nowadays this is fairly common, but the law was written that way for a reason.

A major issue is that the man is the head of the house, and should seek to have no divisions in his house, there are enough divisions in the world. Raising the children in faith is the key focus of Christian parenting, beyond having a nice house, or even an enjoyable marriage. If she would agree the kids would be raised in the faith, that would be a good step. But there are numerous issues with this, simply put, you need someone to help you in these matters rather than be a neutral participant.

Overall, what really got me though was just wondering to myself if I was putting a woman ahead of faith, rather than being humble and following proper instruction.

Pretty strict stuff, but there is the practical side of life too, we don't live in a perfect world. This was what I learned in a nutshell.

This is my opinion but #1 for me is OBEDIENCE....

Agreed 100%. Compliance is HUGE.

If she knows that she must follow then the choice is a little easier for her. If you are following Christ as best as you can it sets the example, so we have to guard against hypocrisy. And of course you have to walk the line and know how to show her the door, if it becomes a recurring theme.

But these women have been brainwashed with this stuff. Best to find a Church where this stuff is snuffed out in the Church Culture (other women) even more so than the teaching from the pulpit. Good obedient Christian girls are super pleasant and make for nice friends for girls. So much of female friendship is backbiting and gossip, so I think this is a big help to the women.

 

[debeguiled]

Maybe she has a sister.

 

[2 Cool 4 U]

Their idiot men don't know what a big mistake they are making sending their daughters to university, if they want to preserve their desert religion.

Christian and catholic families in the U.S. who also send their children to universities are making a big mistake.

There's a huge chance they'll come out as atheists despising their family's religion, supporting lgbt stuff, becoming feminists and SJWs.

There's religious universities but they're pandering to SJW's and feminism

 

[redbeard]

The world's oldest continously-functioning university was founded in the year 859 (1,160 years ago) at Fez in Morocco by Fatima al-Fihri, the daughter of a successful merchant. It seems doubtful that the preservation of the Islamic religion is going to be imperiled by Muslim women attending tertiary education institutions.

And women weren't admitted until the 1940's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_al-Qarawiyyin

 

[Kid Twist]

Maybe she has a sister.

I skipped around a bit but the simple answer is just that the family has to be properly ordered. End of story. Of course each situation will be different in the way that persons are different.

Yes, attractive to the eyes and a nice manner of speech with this one (-:

 

[MovingForward2050]

Even if you are not a Mormon yourself, you may want to consider going to Mormon singles events in your area (they are actually very fun, and open to all, as long as you behave). There is a shortage of Mormon men (the siren call of the world), and so some great catch Mormon women (yes, attractive ones) despair of ever getting married. You do not even have to necessarily convert, to marry one. I have read in forums where Mormon ladies say that they are at the point where if they met a good non-Mormon man and they clicked with him, they would consider serious dating and even marriage. But of course, if you were baptized into the church, that would increase your Mormon world SMV. But you should only do that with the right intentions.

An interesting insight on Mormon culture is that in areas with hyper successful young Mormon professionals, the men in their late twenties/early thirties, often marry the young women who are barely out of their teens! And their female equivalents get ignored. Fertility, sweetness and the desire to stay home and raise kids, trumps money.

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[Locked Room]

Since the forum is making a bit of a U-Turn, I think might be worthwhile for me to drop this information in the week before I go.

I'm going to say up front that I believe finding a Muslim or a Hindu wife is pretty easy, because those cultures seriously reinforce the religious teaching and make the women naturally higher quality.

This primary question comes from Christian guys who really struggle to find a woman in a culture that pushes females in the opposite direction of quality. So, I'm just going to put down my top observations here.

1. Submission. The Christian religion tells women to submit to their husbands as they would submit to God. If a woman won't submit to God... then she won't submit to you either. Notice the Bible doesn't say "submit to your husband if he is perfect or only when he is right"... it says always. I know women who have a very willful spirit, but are submissive to their husband. This is the type I like most. Either way when you are dealing with a woman you should make this a serious topic of discussion and then pay extreme attention to this. Don't be afraid to push the envelope here. Also, you will run into women who are naturally submissive, you have to watch this type because they can fool you.

By the way... the culture literally tells women to be dominant or equal to a man. So, this is a great test of what they actually believe.

2. Spiritually minded. Women that are happy to attend church. The ones that show up on Easter and Christmas only are a bad choice. You want someone who will be an encouragement to your faith, not a burden. Some women only like church for the social aspect so watch for this too. A spiritual woman will engage in bible study and read or study on her own time. Christians call this being "Equally Yoked".

3. Helper. It's important that a woman you choose be a helper to you. Think of the type of woman that will make you a lunch before you leave for work. Not all women help in the same way though. If she helps you fill out TPS reports for work, that can be just as good as ironing your clothes. Don't get caught up in the 1950's stereotype woman.

4. Children. This is just my opinion, but I've noticed that solid Christian women enjoy kids and family. You have to look pretty deep on this though. I know quite a few ladies who are good housewives and solid Christian women, but on some level resent the work they have to do for their kids. Hiking a mountain is hard work, but lots of people enjoy it and do it for fun. This should be the approach to caring for kids. Overly controlling women really struggle. I will say this... women who like kids often want to have lots of them. I suggest that this might be a way to determine. Ultimately it may remain unknown until you have one with her as I think most women don't know themselves how they will feel about it. I have noticed that women from large families tend to love kids more than ones from small families.

Last point on children. Careers for women are a tough subject. Know that across the board women find over 60% of their affair partners at work. I think that a good Christian woman will choose children over careers every time. I know some women I consider to be great that work 2 or 3 days a month. I recently saw a church implode after the church secretary got caught with the pastor. So, my suggestion is to have a woman who works less than 20 hours a week, or stays home. I know housewives tend to go crazy a bit... so you have to compensate for this by giving her some outlets. This is just my opinion and everyone is different.

5. Sexuality. This is a super tough one. I suggest you just talk about it with her in advance. If you are and aged out player... I think maybe be up front about it. If you are a virgin... I strongly suggest you find a girl that is the same. Some churches have lots of 30 something single moms. I'm not going to tell you that these women are unworthy, but lets just say they are significantly higher risk, and I don't even care what kind of sob story they give you. If they married an asshole at age 19 and divorced after a mess of a marriage, keep in mind she picked that guy, and thats likely what she is attracted to naturally. My suggestion is that you never marry a woman with more experience than yourself. I also suggest you marry a woman that can handle your libido. If you wind up in a sexless marriage, something is deadly wrong.

I want to say that even though I'm posting info on Christian women, anyone of any faith is welcome to jump in and provide any info. I'm including atheists in that because believing that there is nothing requires faith too.

As far as the US, I don't know. Over on Vox Day's forum I occasionally see guys swearing that you can still find many white girls who are good marriage material in some areas in the US, but I have yet to see it myself.

If you do end up overseas in EE or Latin America one day, I recommend skipping the night clubs and debauchery and hitting church on Sunday. That's what I did when I working in Central America a few years ago. More because I don't drink and find night clubs depressing, not because I was actively looking for a wife. Still, I did end up meeting a Christian girl and marrying her. She's Catholic, but I imagine Evangelical churches would work if that's more your thing. Mass always seemed to be about 2/3 female, many of them young and cute.

Nice. Yea a Catholic or Orthodox woman is what you should be looking for. Prot women by their tradition generally have a problem with authority. Hence why they are not cats or orthos. They like to interpret things how they like to interpret things. The only guys they like are those that see it their way. Generally.

 

[bucky]

Nice. Yea a Catholic or Orthodox woman is what you should be looking for. Prot women by their tradition generally have a problem with authority. Hence why they are not cats or orthos. They like to interpret things how they like to interpret things. The only guys they like are those that see it their way. Generally.

Strangely, I've never had an LTR with a protestant woman, not even a lapsed one, so I can't really refute this. All my exes were at least nominally Orthodox and Catholic when overseas because I spent a lot of time in the FSU and Latin America, or in the USA they were Mormon and one pagan (it was a strange time in my life when I wasn't going to church at all). Never managed to get close to an evenly nominally protestant woman, just had flings with them back when I was doing that kind of thing. Very strange when I think of it, because they're still the majority in the US and even in some of the places I've lived in Latin America they're a very large minority and much more dynamic than the fairly moribund Catholic majority, which they continue to cut into rather agressively.

That said, I absolutely disagree with your "foaming at the mouth and spending sleepless nights hating Protestants" approach. Protestants founded the US and made it a great and powerful country, and in spite of how far from God the US has fallen we still get by to this day on the momentum our protestant forefathers started. Lots of good fruits there, as among the Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, Jehova's Witness, and even many non-Christian religions. I suspect that what's good in all those is of God and all good works are ultimately of Christ and all have a chance at salvation according to their knowledge and ability to accept truth as they seek it while looking for it through a glass darkly, as Paul puts it.

 

[Locked Room]

Strangely, I've never had an LTR with a protestant woman, not even a lapsed one, so I can't really refute this. All my exes were at least nominally Orthodox and Catholic when overseas because I spent a lot of time in the FSU and Latin America, or in the USA they were Mormon and one pagan (it was a strange time in my life when I wasn't going to church at all). Never managed to get close to an evenly nominally protestant woman, just had flings with them back when I was doing that kind of thing. Very strange when I think of it, because they're still the majority in the US and even in some of the places I've lived in Latin America they're a very large minority and much more dynamic than the fairly moribund Catholic majority, which they continue to cut into rather agressively.

That said, I absolutely disagree with your "foaming at the mouth and spending sleepless nights hating Protestants" approach. Protestants founded the US and made it a great and powerful country, and in spite of how far from God the US has fallen we still get by to this day on the momentum our protestant forefathers started. Lots of good fruits there, as among the Catholics, Orthodox, Mormons, Jehova's Witness, and even many non-Christian religions. I suspect that what's good in all those is of God and all good works are ultimately of Christ and all have a chance at salvation according to their knowledge and ability to accept truth as they seek it while looking for it through a glass darkly, as Paul puts it.

America is over. It barely lasted past the founders. Material wealth is short and empty. The women reflect that. The men reflect that.
Protestantism cannot build anything. It is liberalism. It can only become a parasite at best. Like cancer. It’s rooted in demolition. And like liberalism it always calls itself the opposite of what it’s doing. Rebellion is called reformation. Revolution becomes reconstruction. More prot countries for you. Prot countries are all collapsing. Founded on hating authority and then demanding people adhere to their authority? Dumb. Anywhere where the church is weak the j is strong or so it is said.

All that being said congratulations to you and your marriage. I could see us being friends one day.