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<blockquote data-quote="Errol" data-source="post: 1335939" data-attributes="member: 18117"><p>For those interested in Switzerland, its one of the few countries in western Europe without a US tax treaty (though I understand one is close to getting finished). I've met more than a few men from the US married to Swiss ladies who relocate over here and then figure out, after struggling to land a job in security or other service industry, that they are going to have to pay 40% plus of their income to taxes. That then puts them in a bind of whether or not they want to renounce their US citizenship, which winds up putting undue stress on their marriage. Switzerland has btw the highest number of US citizens renouncing citizenship I believe.</p><p></p><p>This is undoubtedly true. Just yesterday on the train, I overheard a young twenty something with a skrillex haircut (who wouldn't have been unattractive otherwise) talk about how she can only think about having romantic relations with women due to a bad breakup she recently had. The only thing Switzerland has going for it is, being a rural nation, they lack the urban density in their cities to allow migrant communities to grow to the size of a Cologne or any other major European city enriched by vibrant gangs of roaming rapists. Instead you have a lot of soulless atomized unhappy people with too much money not knowing what they should do with themselves.</p><p></p><p>I think most Americans have a romantic notion that after WWII, Switzerland just worked hard and thought strategically and thus wound up one of the wealthiest nations in the world with beautiful scenery and a healthy respect for firearms. They overlook that most of that money was earned making itself useful to the world elites in the aftermath in WWII, and that, prior to that time, it was basically like rural Appalachia only with more artisan craftsmen. It does allow blue collar types to still make a living wage, which reminds Americans of their recent past, and they think that proves it is possible to attain that again in the US, but it overlooks problems that arrives when money is either overly the center of concern or just plain taken for granted.</p><p></p><p>I second the notion that if you want to escape the POZ, you need to at least go as far east as the Visegrad 4 plus Croatia. If that's your primary concern, and you are able to generate income independently online without having to rely on the local economy, I think that's actually a pretty great way to live, and there is enough leeway to be had with residency laws to make visa requirements doable, like [USER=3696]@Matt Forney[/USER] was doing in Budapest. If you are already independently wealthy, and don't have any money concerns beyond managing your brokerage account or real estate portfolio, Switzerland could be a great place to call it a day, but you are probably already living a charmed life to begin with, and likely to already be insulated to a large extent from the chaos of the modern age.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Errol, post: 1335939, member: 18117"] For those interested in Switzerland, its one of the few countries in western Europe without a US tax treaty (though I understand one is close to getting finished). I've met more than a few men from the US married to Swiss ladies who relocate over here and then figure out, after struggling to land a job in security or other service industry, that they are going to have to pay 40% plus of their income to taxes. That then puts them in a bind of whether or not they want to renounce their US citizenship, which winds up putting undue stress on their marriage. Switzerland has btw the highest number of US citizens renouncing citizenship I believe. This is undoubtedly true. Just yesterday on the train, I overheard a young twenty something with a skrillex haircut (who wouldn't have been unattractive otherwise) talk about how she can only think about having romantic relations with women due to a bad breakup she recently had. The only thing Switzerland has going for it is, being a rural nation, they lack the urban density in their cities to allow migrant communities to grow to the size of a Cologne or any other major European city enriched by vibrant gangs of roaming rapists. Instead you have a lot of soulless atomized unhappy people with too much money not knowing what they should do with themselves. I think most Americans have a romantic notion that after WWII, Switzerland just worked hard and thought strategically and thus wound up one of the wealthiest nations in the world with beautiful scenery and a healthy respect for firearms. They overlook that most of that money was earned making itself useful to the world elites in the aftermath in WWII, and that, prior to that time, it was basically like rural Appalachia only with more artisan craftsmen. It does allow blue collar types to still make a living wage, which reminds Americans of their recent past, and they think that proves it is possible to attain that again in the US, but it overlooks problems that arrives when money is either overly the center of concern or just plain taken for granted. I second the notion that if you want to escape the POZ, you need to at least go as far east as the Visegrad 4 plus Croatia. If that's your primary concern, and you are able to generate income independently online without having to rely on the local economy, I think that's actually a pretty great way to live, and there is enough leeway to be had with residency laws to make visa requirements doable, like [USER=3696]@Matt Forney[/USER] was doing in Budapest. If you are already independently wealthy, and don't have any money concerns beyond managing your brokerage account or real estate portfolio, Switzerland could be a great place to call it a day, but you are probably already living a charmed life to begin with, and likely to already be insulated to a large extent from the chaos of the modern age. [/QUOTE]
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