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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Knight.of.Logos" data-source="post: 1348881" data-attributes="member: 17234">Leaving the country is pretty wimpy IMO unless you have a wife/close family living in a country in Poland, for instance.  That doesn't mean you have to live in a shitty area like Portland.... but find a good area, get involved with the community, have children and do good wherever you are planted.  There is no utopia anywhere, but not all of the U.S. (or whatever Western country you live in) is lost.There are plenty of places in the U.S. that haven't gone full clown world.  I've heard good things about Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, though I have not been there.  Oregon, outside of the big cities, was pretty nice.  I know there are good parts of Washington state, too.  Then you have plenty of options down in the Southeast that still have the cultural roots rather than globohomo pollution.</blockquote>