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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steelex" data-source="post: 1172686" data-attributes="member: 12431">Of course genetics are a huge huge factor.I remember in highschool there was a guy who played football and ran track who was just jacked as fuck. I mean like full muscle bellies, veins in his abs, ect. He ate the same shit we ate for lunch, did the same drills, did the same workouts, ect. He was just genetically superior.But most people are going to need to use gear to look excellent. Go look at the guys on this forum who have been lifting hard naturally, and look at the same guy such as myself who uses drugs as a tool. There is a pretty big difference in what you will see. Theres nothing wrong with using gear if youre ok with how it will effect you. Drugs are not a magic bullet. They are a key that open a door that still requires a lot of dedication and grind to walk through.</blockquote>