Flat earth thread

[iOneIndividual]

I searched flat earth and all I could find was this closed thread:

The truth about the flat earth

A couple of years ago I discovered we’ve been lied to about pretty much everything, including the shape of the earth. I think there’s many facts proving the earth is flat and also montionless. Bearing in mind we only need one fact to prove it’s true, these are the ones that are hard to look...

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So I'd like to try and revive the discussion. I've been curious about this phenomenon for quite some time but can't really grasp a few of the basic concepts. Also, I can't find concrete biblical evidence of any flat earth and wanted to know if there was someone more familiar out there who could discuss this with me and perhaps challenge some of my preconceptions about the creation we are part of (or perhaps vice versa)

 

[jarlo]

The thing I don't understand about this conspiracy is what possible motive there would be for covering up the flatness of the earth, and leading people to believe that the earth is round.

 

[kel]

At this point nothing would surprise me, but flat earth is a weird one indeed. Seems like a poisoning-the-well kinda thing, too. Flat earthers tend to be the people who believe other stuff, such as elite sex trafficking, which we now know is very real, but can be just brushed away as a thing only weird flat earth types believe.

 

[prophet60091]

In my opinion, proponents of the flat earth theory don't have a working model of a flat earth that matches observations you can make with your own eyes (and sometimes, perhaps, a friend's eyes).

For example, I can watch the sun set, then call a friend in california and he'll tell me the sun hasn't set yet. Show me a coherent model of a flat earth where that's possible! On a flat earth, the sun would rise and set for everyone at the same (with minor exceptions for people in the shadows of mountains).

If I'm in St Petersburg, FL and I watch the sun set, it appears to be setting into the water. There are no mountains to block it. Water "seeks its own level" right? How is the sun possibly still up in California?

...or is my friend in on the big lie!!

 

[Maurice Ravel]

The thing I don't understand about this conspiracy is what possible motive there would be for covering up the flatness of the earth, and leading people to believe that the earth is round.

Check out Genesis 1:16. See the difference with the mainstream theory?

If the earth is flat, you have the proof of the existence of God. From there, you can understand why there would be a motive to cover it up.

 

[iOneIndividual]

The thing I don't understand about this conspiracy is what possible motive there would be for covering up the flatness of the earth, and leading people to believe that the earth is round.

The only thing I could think of is it offering more evidence to the existence of God rather than the endlessness of space.
Personally though I don't see how a round universe / earth makes a difference in terms of God, as I've always perceived God / heaven as something 'outside' of the universe and hell as something perhaps in the center at the site of 'big bang'

 

[iOneIndividual]

Check out Genesis 1:16. See the difference with the mainstream theory?

If the earth is flat, you have the proof of the existence of God. From there, you can understand why there would be a motive to cover it up.

God made two great lights – the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night. He made the stars also. God made two great lights – the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night. He made the stars also.

Okay, so the moon and the sun exist and stars--how does this make earth flat?
Also keep in mind the understanding of the author (not the speaker, the word is God, the hand writing ink on paper the word of God ultimately, is man) and this understanding is primitive. It has no concept that stars and sun could in fact be the same sort of thing--but this does not mean it can not understand God made all the stars including the sun, the great light--great no doubt due to it's nearness to earth.
And even if the moon is just reflecting sunlight (or if it isn't, not suggesting either just speculating) it's still a lesser light.

The reason I'm so on the fence is because it really isn't that hard to believe that NASA could have faked everything with CGI and that the moon landing was total BS.
I mean it's pretty clear we don't understand the universe as well as we think we do collectively, and that one way or the other we're kinda just going with the group. Of all the conspiracy I've heard this is the one I'm most on the fence with. The motivation is to promote a secular universe--spread the seeds of doubt in contrast to the seeds of faith spread by Christ and His followers--and to ultimately surrender the definition of the universe to the secular powers that be making government one step closer to "god"

 

[jarlo]

Check out Genesis 1:16. See the difference with the mainstream theory?

If the earth is flat, you have the proof of the existence of God. From there, you can understand why there would be a motive to cover it up.

I must be missing something. I don't see how a literal interpretation of Genesis 1:16 makes any statement on flat vs. round earth. I also don't think most Christians are Biblical literalists, so even if you could read Genesis 1:16 "literally" as implying a flat earth, most Christians wouldn't care.

Even if most Christians were Biblical literalists, and you could interpret Genesis 1:16 as implying a flat earth, you'd have to argue that non-Christians care so much about contradicting Genesis 1:16 that they would create a worldwide conspiracy to make people think the Earth is round.

Seems more than farfetched.

 

[Maurice Ravel]

We are told that the light we see on the moon comes from the sun.

The Bible says "two lights," not "one light lighting up the other."

 

[iOneIndividual]

Keep in mind the understanding of the author, not the speaker.
This understanding is limited by a lack of resources regarding knowledge outside of the earth--and doesn't even know north america (the new world) exists.
It may understand God created two sources of light and have written two great lights, one greater one lesser to indicate a difference in brightness which it can understand.
It can not understand a giant source of light being a reflection, or being an independent source of light--especially when it is not accustomed to seeing both at the same time very often.

Even if the moon is it's own source of light:
how does offer biblical evidence of a flat earth?

 

[Rob Banks]

The Bible is not a science textbook (and doesn't need to be in order to be true).

We are told Galileo was imprisoned by the Catholic Church (and ultimately died a prisoner) for theorizing that the Earth orbits the Sun, but I heard that that isn't actually true. I'm not familiar with the specifics, but the problems between him and the Church were a lot deeper than that.

If it were possible to disprove God just by showing that the Earth is round or that it orbits the Sun, then all religious people would be delusional idiots.

 

[iOneIndividual]

Nobody is attempting to 'disprove God' in this thread.

 

[Rob Banks]

Nobody is attempting to 'disprove God' in this thread.

What?

When did I ever say anyone was?...

 

[Theo'sTheories]

This video really helped me understand some things about flat earth. I remember being so mind-blown when Owen Benjamin showed parts and talked about it on one of his streams. For a while, I believed that earth was round, but space as we've been told, is fake. About 5 months ago, I was talking with one of my friends who was having a faith crisis. He was raised in the same church I was and he told me that he honestly didn't know if God existed. For some reason, flat earth came up and I told him that flat earth actually had some good arguments and I watched the video above with him. Since then, he has taken his relationship with God a lot more seriously because it is pretty hard to not believe in God if the earth is actually flat.

I have done a lot more research into the flat earth and I think I understand enough to say that I believe it. I'm still unsure, but I do know that if the earth actually is flat it makes the idea of God all the more powerful. The reason that Satan might be lying about the shape of the earth is the same reason he lies about evolution. It is to make us believe that we aren't special. It is to make us believe that we are just randomly floating on a tiny rock amongst other tiny rocks revolving around a star which in turn revolves around something bigger. The reason why Satan would lie about the earth's shape is that it makes our existence explainable without the existence of God. Satan is doing a good job of that with the evolution lie. The evolution lie is so widespread, all the mainstream scientists practice and preach it. It's even taught to kids in government schools. Those same people Satan uses to push evolution could also be pushing a globe earth lie.

I highly recommend the video above and it is extremely important that you go into this with an open mind and do your own research. Don't just blindly accept what either side tells you.

 

[Psalm27]

This video really helped me understand some things about flat earth. I remember being so mind-blown when Owen Benjamin showed parts and talked about it on one of his streams. For a while, I believed that earth was round, but space as we've been told, is fake. About 5 months ago, I was talking with one of my friends who was having a faith crisis. He was raised in the same church I was and he told me that he honestly didn't know if God existed. For some reason, flat earth came up and I told him that flat earth actually had some good arguments and I watched the video above with him. Since then, he has taken his relationship with God a lot more seriously because it is pretty hard to not believe in God if the earth is actually flat.

I have done a lot more research into the flat earth and I think I understand enough to say that I believe it. I'm still unsure, but I do know that if the earth actually is flat it makes the idea of God all the more powerful. The reason that Satan might be lying about the shape of the earth is the same reason he lies about evolution. It is to make us believe that we aren't special. It is to make us believe that we are just randomly floating on a tiny rock amongst other tiny rocks revolving around a star which in turn revolves around something bigger. The reason why Satan would lie about the earth's shape is that it makes our existence explainable without the existence of God. Satan is doing a good job of that with the evolution lie. The evolution lie is so widespread, all the mainstream scientists practice and preach it. It's even taught to kids in government schools. Those same people Satan uses to push evolution could also be pushing a globe earth lie.

I highly recommend the video above and it is extremely important that you go into this with an open mind and do your own research. Don't just blindly accept what either side tells you.

The Bible actually supports round earth and the fact that this planet is the only planet in an entire universe that God made which has life, makes us VERY special indeed.

Job 26:7 - He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Isaiah 40:22 - It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;
Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

What do we know from that? The earth is a circle, with a center (heart of the earth), that hangs upon nothing. I would say those verses support round earth in space.

 

[iOneIndividual]

Thank you, I'm going to check out the video.
I'm not going to allow myself to be convinced just by testimony, but I wanted testimony from both sides on the subject to get a more complete picture before deciding on my own.

I've often thought of 'the heavens' as a term referring to space. I've often considered God to exist 'above' or 'outside' of space; and space is currently being defined as 'flat' or something like that with Gravity being the 'up and down' pull but also the 'left and right' pull. When the secular world started talking about "Planet X" or some other mysterious planet that was the only one to rotate around the sun vertically and all the others were horizontally, I knew something was going on with the model of the solar system.

I don't necessarily think it's totally wrong, but I'd say much like the question of if there is or isn't dark matter: if it is right, it's probably still about.... 90-95% incomplete. But that doesn't mean the holes in that model are filled with dark matter. It might mean though dark matter is a term being used to label 'God's will' as something secular instead of Divine.

 

[Theo'sTheories]

I was doing a little digging last night and I found this sermon. The person who responded to me said that round earth was biblical. He uses Isaiah 40:22, which refers to earth as a circle to say that the earth is a globe. Since when is a circle a globe? I highly recommend watching the sermon I posted above. It has many Bible verses in it that support a flat earth. A few Bible verses that convinced me are as follows.

Isaiah 38:8 - "Behold, I will make the shadow cast by the declining sun on the dial of Ahaz turn back ten steps.” So the sun turned back on the dial the ten steps by which it had declined." This verse says that God literally made the sun move backwards. He didn't make the earth spin the opposite way, He moved the sun backwards.

Psalm 104:5 - "He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved." This verse is saying that the earth has a foundation and it does not move. This goes against everything mainstream science tells us about earth being a spinning globe.

Job 37:18 - "Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?" This verse says that the sky is as hard as a cast metal mirror. This fits the Bible's continuity of a solid firmament/vault that divides waters from waters.

I'm still not 100% in believing the earth is not a globe, but I do believe that the Bible cosmology supports earth as a fixed, motionless, and flat plane. A common argument against this is that everybody back in Bible times believed earth was flat, so that might have influenced how they thought the earth looked. But, It's pretty hard to believe that God would give prophets incorrect visions of what the earth looks like. I'm going to keep doing research, but I do trust the Bible, which has a track record of telling the truth, over the teachings of man, which have a track record of lies. The video I linked above uses these Bible verses and more to explain them a lot better than I can.

 

[911]

You're being brainwashed by an elaborate psyop that preys on gullible well-meaning purple-pilled Christians with very limited scientific grounding, that are getting swayed by shoddy literalist interpretations of the Old Testament.

The Flat Earth psyop is a product of Cass Sunstein cognitive infiltration program, and operatives like this Black Judeo-Protestant "hebrew" pastor in the above video are in on it. Flate Earth is a very clever and destructive psyop whose aim is to infect and destroy truther communities. It is primarily aimed at normies, meant to create a "poison pill" for them by associating people who are opposing the technocratic luciferian control grid with dead end low-IQ theories like Flat Earth.

It makes me really angry to see this satanic project taking root in western societies, getting traction with well-intentioned young men like you.

Read the archived thread, we've answered most of the question you might have.

 

[Roosh]

Why are you re-starting a thread that I closed for a stated reason? It's clear the forum cannot discuss this topic without the conversation degrading.