Floyd Mayweather already trying to duck out of Canelo Alvarez fight

[thegmanifesto]

Manny gave Mayweather every option to say 'Yes.' He didn't. He played into Mayweather's ego and Mayweather still didn't want to fight.

The problem was the timing of this.

He did this right before the Marquez fight.

Then lost.

He should have agreed three years ago.

Maybe Manny was "ducking" Floyd? (See how easy this is to turn around).

Again, I have called out Manny and Floyd in the last week. Maybe they are both "ducking" me?

And who says this fight won't happen in the future?

 

[Timoteo]

I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Timoteo -

Great points.

There is no "ducking" involved in these fights. It's biz. Plain and simple.

Does anyone really think that Floyd, a guy who has been boxing since the womb, is "afraid" of anyone? Come on, the guy is more comfortable in a boxing ring than anywhere on earth.

People also don't mind today that Sugar Ray Leonard dictated all the terms of the fight with Hagler. People forgot about that.

That is the luxury of being the top draw in modern boxing.

 

[Belize King]

I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

I think PacMan wouldnt take the deal because of his management. He didnt want to cross them. Some guys are puppets. I dont want to use the term but it's the only wayto describe Pac in this situation. Imagine if Pac said yes, what would Arum do? Possibly sue and drop Pacman. Would he? Naw but out of spite to Mayweather maybe.

The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

 

[Timoteo]

I thought Floyd recently put this to rest. He got him on the phone, no middlemen/promoters and managers. Just them. He offered him $40 million, with the promise to wire him half of that in a couple of days. I'm guessing this would have been Manny's biggest career payday. Manny hung up. I don't see that as Floyd ducking - Manny simply didn't like the terms and walked away. Okay, if you want to use the argument that he made Manny an offer that he knew would be refused, thus was ducking THAT way...okay, fine. But if you look at this from a business perspective, Floyd drives the promotion, not Manny. He pays his opponent. He takes the business risks. Based on that, why should he have anything approaching an even split? As far as Manny warranting an even split due to his talent and performance in the ring, there's an argument to be made there.

Oscar de la Hoya was in a similar position to Floyd, in that he made the bulk of the money on his fights due to being his own boss and handling the promotion and other issues. If his opponents wanted the fight, they had to take whatever they were getting paid, which was usually the biggest payday of their careers. Oscar fought everyone, and all of those fighters accepted the fight, because it was their biggest payday, and a chance to take the belt from one of the great fighters of the generation. Floyd was actually one of those fighters. I don't recall there ever being an issue with Oscar taking the lion's share of the loot. The other parallel between Oscar and Floyd is their hate of Arum, and Oscar actually went to court to free himself from him, and it was after that when he basically became his own boss, just like Floyd.

I think PacMan wouldnt take the deal because of his management. He didnt want to cross them. Some guys are puppets. I dont want to use the term but it's the only wayto describe Pac in this situation. Imagine if Pac said yes, what would Arum do? Possibly sue and drop Pacman. Would he? Naw but out of spite to Mayweather maybe.

The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

That's EXACTLY why Pac hung up. Pac isn't his own boss, while Mayweather is. It would have meant cutting Arum out, and there would have been serious issues between them. At the same time, by rule, promoters can't be managers - they have a contract with a fighter to promote, but not necessarily match-make. Sure, they can advise, but fighters forget that these people are supposed to be working for THEM, not the other way around. Not every fighter has the wherewithal to handle the business aspects of their careers, so they have to rely heavily on the various characters that inhabit the business. It's difficult to really be independent of it all, because unless you're a great star, others in the business will do everything they can to cut your throat. If you're the star, and everyone has to come to you for belts, you can get fights done. But if you aren't in that position, men like Arum end up hurting fighters and costing them big fights/paydays because of their own selfish agendas.

 

[thegmanifesto]

The past is the past. Everybody has an opinion and there is no real truth. Hopefully they both look good and clear these fights so we can talk about them fight next May. Too much money to be made for them not to fight next year.

Yeah, that has been my stance.

I have no idea what happened negotiation-wise because I wasn't on the phone with them or in the room.

No one knows the truth. Both sides have a different story, so how is some guy who isn't even involved in the sport going to know what actually happened?

Next May would be a perfect chance for them to fight.

If it does happen, and Floyd wins, do you think that will silence his detractors?

Doubt it.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Report: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Bets $5.9 Million on Heat Over Pacers in Game 7 of Eastern Conference Finals

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floy...-in-game-7-of-eastern-conference-finals/Floyd Mayweather Jr. may have more invested in Monday night’s Heat-Pacers game than any of the players who will actually be on the court playing. That’s because Mayweather bet $5.9 million on the Heat to cover, according to Vegas Gambling Steam. The line was at -7 when Mayweather laid down the bet. So not only is the undefeated boxer looking for Miami to win, but he’s looking for them to win big. The Heat are returning home after dropping Game 6 in Indiana. Miami has lost two home games during the 2013 postseason. Of course, what’s $5.9 million to a boxer projected to earn $90 million in 2013? Well, still a ton of money.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floy...acers-in-game-7-of-eastern-conference-finals/

 

[anamericaninbangkok]

Mathyse smashed Peterson on Saturday, that left hook, my oh fucking my

Peterson has always been overrated. I contacted his manager once to try and make a fight and he acted like Peterson was Muhammad Ali. It doesn't surprise me he got smashed.

As far Mayweather, Alvarez is a good test for him but I think his speed and technical process will be the keys, as are often the case. Too fast for Alvarez and while I like the Mexican against just about anyone else, Mayweather is simply too good.

Pacquiao is done at the A-level. Maybe he'll eek out another victory or two but he's on the serious slide and it ain't going uphill.

 

[Gator]

Froch is awesome. For all the alpha-beta debates on here, he's a fucking alpha. In interviews he comes across very well.

+1. His wife is a solid 9.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Froch is awesome. For all the alpha-beta debates on here, he's a fucking alpha. In interviews he comes across very well.

+1. His wife is a solid 9.

Wearing a Suit (tux).

Must be a Beta.

 

[Teedub]

Wearing a Suit (tux).

Must be a Beta.

 

[anamericaninbangkok]

Make no mistake about it, whether Alpha or Beta, Froch is a badass and if you step in the ring with him you better be well-prepared.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Report: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Bets $5.9 Million on Heat Over Pacers in Game 7 of Eastern Conference Finals

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floy...-in-game-7-of-eastern-conference-finals/Floyd Mayweather Jr. may have more invested in Monday night’s Heat-Pacers game than any of the players who will actually be on the court playing. That’s because Mayweather bet $5.9 million on the Heat to cover, according to Vegas Gambling Steam. The line was at -7 when Mayweather laid down the bet. So not only is the undefeated boxer looking for Miami to win, but he’s looking for them to win big. The Heat are returning home after dropping Game 6 in Indiana. Miami has lost two home games during the 2013 postseason. Of course, what’s $5.9 million to a boxer projected to earn $90 million in 2013? Well, still a ton of money.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2013/06/report-floy...acers-in-game-7-of-eastern-conference-finals/

I guess Mayweather hit that bet.

 

[eradicator]

That has to be the dumbest bet I have ever heard of. He won $600,000 by winning, if the heat didn't cover the spread, then he would have lost 6M dollars. Dude has to have rocks in his head to make that bet. I thought the heat would win at home, but the numbers are just not in his favor.

 

[Timoteo]

^ That's why they call it gambling. Floyd is actually an avid sports gambler - and from what I understand, he wins far more than he loses.

 

[Teedub]

^ But when he loses...he must lose a hell of a lot of money.

 

[thegmanifesto]

That has to be the dumbest bet I have ever heard of. He won $600,000 by winning, if the heat didn't cover the spread, then he would have lost 6M dollars. Dude has to have rocks in his head to make that bet. I thought the heat would win at home, but the numbers are just not in his favor.

Where did you see that?

 

[Timoteo]

Yeah, if he loses he loses a lot of money, but then again, he isn't betting what he can't afford to lose. Look at what he makes per fight! He isn't the typical fighter that will go broke shortly after retiring. He's not getting ripped off during his career like most fighters. My only concern would be if he continues this kind of gambling when he's no longer fighting and collecting huge purses.

 

[thegmanifesto]

Floyd's excuse for his latest dodging of an opponent who can actually beat him: My daddy won't let me fight over 147 pounds. Because, you know, 36 year olds who made $90M last year always listen to their parents. Nevermind that Floyd already HOLDS A WORLD TITLE AT 154 POUNDS!!

http://www.boxingscene.com/floyd-sr-confirms-mayweather-canelo-147--65590

Mayweather-Alvarez breaks records

Two months before Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Saul "Canelo" Alvarez square off to unify their junior middleweight titles in the year's biggest fight, records are already falling.

The fight won't take place until Sept. 14 (Showtime PPV) at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, but already it has broken the all-time live gate record for a boxing event after selling out on Wednesday, less than 24 hours after tickets went on sale.

Golden Boy Promotions chief executive Richard Schaefer told ESPN.com the fight will generate a minimum of $18,647,000 in ticket sales and "it could go up to a little shy of $19 million depending on the number of comps that are given out. It's going to be the record. The MGM is calculating and has to do the ticket settlement, but it will definitely be the record."

When Mayweather outpointed Oscar De La Hoya in 2007 to win a junior middleweight title at the MGM Grand, the fight, also promoted by Golden Boy, broke every boxing revenue record, including the all-time pay-per-view mark with nearly 2.5 million units sold and the all-time gate record of $18,419,200. That gate record surpassed the previous record of $16,860,300 by the 1999 heavyweight champion rematch between Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield.

Schaefer said the reason the exact gate figure for tickets ranging from $350 to $2,000 apiece is unclear is because the number of complimentary tickets have not been fully calculated.

"Everything is gigantic with this fight," Schaefer said from Atlanta, where he was Thursday for stop No. 5 on an 11-city media tour to promote the fight. "Two months out and you can say within 2 percent what the gate is. The more comps, the less the gross will be but the casino gets a certain number of comps, the fighters get a certain number of comps, Showtime and Showtime Pay-Per-View get some, the sponsors get some. I have to go through the list. The gate number will go up from where we are at now and it's already the record. I don't want to have too many comps."

Said Mayweather: "This sellout doesn't surprise me because this is what happens when the best fights the best. I want to thank all the fans for their support. They're going to see a hell of a show on Sept. 14."

Schaefer said the fight also has set the record for a guarantee on national closed circuit revenue, which is derived from people who pay to watch the fight at bars and restaurants. He said De La Hoya-Mayweather generated a record $3 million guarantee and that the Mayweather-Alvarez closed-circuit rights went for $4 million.

Although Schaefer declined to disclose the exact figure, he said the Mexican television rights for Mayweather-Alvarez that went to Televisa brought "four times as much as they did for De La Hoya-Mayweather. That just shows you how big Canelo is in Mexico."

"These lofty records, you have to wonder if they will ever be broken. I am always hopeful because records are here to be broken," said Schaefer, who will be in Miami for stop No. 6 on the media tour. "The gate record has fallen. The closed-circuit record has fallen for the guarantee. I'm really proud of what we have accomplished as a company to set the record and then break the record. I'm going to try to break it again. That's what motivates me. It shows how healthy the sport is."

So now the question is can the fight challenge the pay-per-view record?

"I'm not going to say the pay-per-view record is going to fall but the more I see the turnout at these tour stops and the passion I have seen day after day from the fans, the more I think we have a shot," he said.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...ight-breaks-all-live-gate-record-boxing-event

 

[thegmanifesto]

At a tour stop in Mexico City in front of 32,000 fans:

"Mayweather loves Mexico," he told the mass of humanity gathered in the dry sun. "I've faced a lot of great champions in my career and the toughest fighters was the Mexicans."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/floyd-mayweather-faces-32-000-canelo-fans-mexico-065300392.html

Smooth.