For non-gun bros: best weapon combination for self-defense?

[Dr. Howard]

You're not going to be dealing with "hordes" without a firearm or an army of likeminded individuals.

As far as weapon selection, range is going to be a problem. This is barring goofy shit like slings (remember David and Goliath?), throwing darts, shurikens and other assorted weapons fit only for nerds to endlessly theorycraft about. Believe you me, I've tried to get good with the ancient sling (we're talking a reliable hit at 25 yards or less) and it's hard.

Brass knuckles are OK; some boxing practice would go a long way if you had a pair of brass knuckles.

A slapjack isn't bad either. If expandable batons are legal to carry I would get one of those, they have a bit of reach.

If you're worried about getting caught by the police, a kubotan or yawara stick would be a passable option. You can get them in the form of flashlights, they are weapons that are easily made to look like something else. Cold Steel sells a sharpie (known as the Sharkie) that is a kubotan.

Pepper spray is good if you're fighting more than one guy. These are your best "ranged" option.

If you're fighting in the dark, a high quality flashlight can help a lot by blinding the other guy. Surefire makes badass flashlights that perform double duty as a kubotan.

African migrants are not fond of dogs. If your living situation allows it, a big ass dog is the second best thing to carrying a gun.

The most important thing to do is to practice with the self defense option you pick and to know when to run away. When in doubt, GTFO.

I agree.

1. Big aggressive dogs are totally legal and cause that primal fear in people when they start barking.

2. The blinding power of flashlights is real, at night.

3. Be careful with bear spray vs. mace. In places in the US you can carry mace, but not bear spray (which is like super mace). Carrying and using bear spray in canada has been considered as a weapon. We used to get shit from police and conservation officers for even having it 'accessible' in the cabs of our vehicles.

 

[Suits]

In Bulgaria at least, if someone (even a group of people) attacks you bear handed and you kill them with a knife, it's highly likely that you will do time.

 

[Remington]

 

[Dalaran1991]

Some good practical advice here. I'm not some stupid "let's stay and fight all these migrants while walking around drunk 4am near the train station" shit. But things have gotten bad around here. Lots of rascals in my neighborhood and I come back from gym and work at 9pm. My 4th degree black belt sensei got robed TWICE, and he's no bloke at all. The first time he got jumped by a big black migrants with a mace spray. The second time he got jumped by 2 muslims.

I understand situational awareness and that the best option is to run. You even see some loud, shady characters from afar, its better to change course. But like I said, people are getting jumped here in Paris, France. And nobody says shit.

With my training and reflexes if I get jumped I might buy myself a second at most to roll out of the way or avoid getting tackled, but that's too late to pick myself up and run. That's when we talk serious self-defense.

Something I'll definitely look seriously into:

-Flashlight
-Pepper spray, the legal type
-A small, quick draw knife. I'm no stranger to fighting but I'm small, and in panic situation you can kiss your training goodbye, so brass knuckles or anything that requires physical force to be effective is out of the window.

Getting a dog is cool, better companion than most leftist cuck However I'm not talking about home defense, I have enough tools to defend my house. I doubt I can walk a big dog with me everywhere...

 

[MikeS]

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A knife is good (providing you have proper training)...

Assuming you're fighting a single attacker (obviously multiple attackers is almost always going to be a more complex and dangerous situation), do you actually need "proper training" to be a massive threat when you're wielding a knife?
I've read that before but I figured that some of them might mean training required so as to pose less of a threat (ie. avoiding accidentally killing someone when that level of force wasn't required)?

I remember reading a section in a self defense book once where the author said (paraphrasing) that almost anyone wielding a knife instantly becomes the equivalent of a 50th dan martial artist (simplified I'm sure, but the damage potential obviously goes up exponentially for even an untrained person holding a knife).

 

[Foolsgo1d]

Your best weapon is intuition.

Should you be in a town or city where regular occurrences of grievous bodily harm happens because of your race, religion or nationality?

Only a gun and a really skilled person with a bladed weapon can deter multiple attackers, even then how do you know you won't be set upon at your most vulnerable? What happens if it is raining and you slip?

Being in a violent area you can get out of is the best chance of survival. Weapons do not guarantee safety.

 

[H1N1]

...

A knife is good (providing you have proper training)...

Assuming you're fighting a single attacker (obviously multiple attackers is almost always going to be a more complex and dangerous situation), do you actually need "proper training" to be a massive threat when you're wielding a knife?
I've read that before but I figured that some of them might mean training required so as to pose less of a threat (ie. avoiding accidentally killing someone when that level of force wasn't required)?

I remember reading a section in a self defense book once where the author said (paraphrasing) that almost anyone wielding a knife instantly becomes the equivalent of a 50th dan martial artist (simplified I'm sure, but the damage potential obviously goes up exponentially for even an untrained person holding a knife).

No, you do not need any training to be effective 1v1 with a pointed weapon. I boxed with a guy who was an extremely competent fighter, about 20 years old, and he got his lung collapsed by a 15 year old with a screw driver who was showing off to his gang. This sort of thing happens all the time. A weapon, and genuine intent to use it to do harm, make for a very dangerous individual indeed.

 

[shameus_o'reaaly]

not from my own experience, but some football fans i ran into talked about carrying that fake lemon/lime juice that comes in a squeezable lemon-shaped bottle to matches (to spray it in the other twerp's eyes if cornered or confronted).
Also, the famed Millwall brick which can't really attract any attention from the police

 

[OGNorCal707]

Anyone here actually been attacked by a Muslim?

 

[Sidney Crosby]

If you are walking around town at night (say walking a dog) and want something in your hand a big mag-lite flashlight would be good. They are heavy with the batteries in them, I'm talking like the type that cops in North America have and have them ready to bonk you on the head with.

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

Anyone here actually been attacked by a Muslim?

What's the point of this passive-aggressive snark?

If you'd bothered to read downthread you might have seen this from the OP (who is an Asian guy living and working in Paris):

Some good practical advice here. I'm not some stupid "let's stay and fight all these migrants while walking around drunk 4am near the train station" shit. But things have gotten bad around here. Lots of rascals in my neighborhood and I come back from gym and work at 9pm. My 4th degree black belt sensei got robed TWICE, and he's no bloke at all. The first time he got jumped by a big black migrants with a mace spray. The second time he got jumped by 2 muslims.

The concerns of posters who live in parts of Europe that have rapidly become more dangerous because of this insane wave of migration are legitimate. Just as there is no need to rend one's garments and declare the end of Western civilization, there is also no need to pretend that nothing is happening and to dismiss people's concerns with worthless passive aggressive questions like this.

 

[LINUX]

Anyone here actually been attacked by a Muslim?

I have.

It didn't end too well for them though.

 

[OGNorCal707]

Anyone here actually been attacked by a Muslim?

What's the point of this passive-aggressive snark?

If you'd bothered to read downthread you might have seen this from the OP (who is an Asian guy living and working in Paris):

Some good practical advice here. I'm not some stupid "let's stay and fight all these migrants while walking around drunk 4am near the train station" shit. But things have gotten bad around here. Lots of rascals in my neighborhood and I come back from gym and work at 9pm. My 4th degree black belt sensei got robed TWICE, and he's no bloke at all. The first time he got jumped by a big black migrants with a mace spray. The second time he got jumped by 2 muslims.

The concerns of posters who live in parts of Europe that have rapidly become more dangerous because of this insane wave of migration are legitimate. Just as there is no need to rend one's garments and declare the end of Western civilization, there is also no need to pretend that nothing is happening and to dismiss people's concerns with worthless passive aggressive questions like this.

Damn I can't ask a simple question without being accused of passive aggressive snark? I do think it's a valid question, if no one here has experienced any eminent attacks, what's the point of being scared? Maybe I just have a different outlook on life, but I don't believe in walking around being nervous and scared about something that could happen, but most likely won't.

It seems like everyone on here is kind of scared, like there are Muslim boogey-men hanging around every corner waiting to beat people up. Maybe it is like that over there in Europe, I don't know. Dalaaran lives in France so I'll take his word on the situation, but it does seem like most of the guys whipped into a frenzy over the migrant invasion don't even live in Europe.

Well maybe once the Muslims invade Northern California I'll start packing heat, there are already plenty of Mexican here, but I'm not too scared of them.

 

[Parzival]

When I was younger it was quite normal to deal with attacks. Turks or Russians. Or drunk Germans at festivals / bars. One situation was even a knife fight. But this is one form of violence. A group of young men standing somewhere and to the monkey dance. You have time to react. Or a brawl in a bar.
I remember one attack when I was like 15 or 16 and walked home from sports. Out of the sudden, an ambush a guy punched me and run away. I get also in some situations hit on the head but never get knocked out. Seems like I have a lucky condition in that way. Also never had a knock out when I had my sparring in boxing. Others slip more easy when you hit them hard. Anyway moste break their hand when they are not used to use them or slip because they can't keep the balance.

Still when somebody do a high violent ambush or attack in a group, its very hard to react in time. To switch the mind from relaxt to a defence and fight situation is even more important then actual skill or a weapon.

 

[OGNorCal707]

For those Europeans who are genuinely concerned about their safety, I'd recommend pepper spray/mace and a taser if you can acquire one, I don't think a knife or any weapon that can easily be taken away and used against you is a good idea. If 4 guys attack you, maybe you knife the first two, but the other two wrestle you down, take your knife, now you're getting stabbed repeatedly. Just a thought, but I'm no self defense or weapons expert.

 

[CaptainS]

1. A very bright flashlight with strobe. I have one of these (an older model) and it's longish with a heavy tactical bezel - a blow to the head will easily put someone down. I've dropped it more times than I can count and it's still going strong. ~$60 with batteries and charger. You can get cheaper ones that are almost as bright for under $30.

http://www.dx.com/p/cree-xm-l-t6-38...-led-flashlight-3-x-18650-128841#.Vo64oMaFM5s

2. A ranged Taser/stun gun. Stun guns are hidden in everything these days, from a flashlight to brass knuckles to canes and walking sticks.

A Zap cane is around $90

Something more concealable like a knuckle gun is around $20 - $40:

Or with a piercing edge:

3. Pepper spray fogger. Standard sprays come out as a thin stream that can be easily dodged. Foggers can affect a lot of people at once but the you have to be cautious about wind driving it back to you. Foggers/bear spray have a range of around 30 feet and cost around $45-$55.

You can look into cane/walking stick swords and alternative throwing weapons but you'll likely get pinched for it by any local police.

Beyond that, make a call to Little Dark - his threat alone will leave them shaking!

 

[H1N1]

Damn I can't ask a simple question without being accused of passive aggressive snark? I do think it's a valid question, if no one here has experienced any eminent attacks, what's the point of being scared? Maybe I just have a different outlook on life, but I don't believe in walking around being nervous and scared about something that could happen, but most likely won't.

It seems like everyone on here is kind of scared, like there are Muslim boogey-men hanging around every corner waiting to beat people up. Maybe it is like that over there in Europe, I don't know. Dalaaran lives in France so I'll take his word on the situation, but it does seem like most of the guys whipped into a frenzy over the migrant invasion don't even live in Europe.

Well maybe once the Muslims invade Northern California I'll start packing heat, there are already plenty of Mexican here, but I'm not too scared of them.

That's disingenuous of you, it was not a simple question. If it was, you would have expanded your question and made clear why it was relevant. By not doing so, you were well aware what the implication was. You did it again here:

It seems like everyone on here is kind of scared, like there are Muslim boogey-men hanging around every corner waiting to beat people up.

which as you are well aware is a gross mis-characterisation of the general position.

Your own position seems to be that you would prefer to wait for a problem to become entrenched before you took any steps to protect yourself, or those you care about, from it.

What is your rationale for thinking that prudence, even extreme prudence, is a mask for fear?

 

[Hardy Daytona]

 

[H1N1]

Pepper spray seems like a pretty bad idea to me - range is limited, if there is wind, or multiple attackers, you are likely to spray it all around and end up copping a load in the peepers yourself. A solid locking folder, with a groove cut to help stop it sticking, and a handle designed not to get slippery when bloody is going to be very difficult to take out of someone's hands. If four guys are set on attacking you, you should be treating that as a live or die situation, where anything other than complete victory will result in your death. At the point you are being put on the floor by multiple attackers, you are already dead, and loosing the weapon is the least of your worries.

'If you're untrained you are in (more) danger of having your weapon taken off you and used against you' is a line pushed by all police and state apparatchiks, with, I suspect, very little basis in fact. This is the attitude of those who would have you totally dependent upon them for your life and well-being - it is a power play, plain and simple.

 

[Going strong]

By the way, there's no law in France against carrying this in your backpack (an ice axe):

I think it'd be the best tool to carry in one's backpack, because it's legal, would frighten most muggers, and would (if the situation requires it, I mean, in self-defense) do serious damage - without having to train on how to use it (way to use it is instinctive).