Former Defense Secretary James Mattis denounces Donald Trump and backs the rioters

CynicalContrarian

Peacock
Gold Member
Serious question:

If the NSA is recording everything, then why does it seem so difficult to:

1) identify these backstabbers and then
2) punish them?

They've got: emails, phone records, search history, social media, etc...

Like the phrase, "physician, heal thyself," we should command, "Security state, defend thyself!"


...
I would imagine we as the public are not privy to all the information.
All the while, in line with that tweet above.
The Deluded Democrats & their Fake News lackey's did all of a sudden make a fuss about voting by mail...
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
America is not going to have a race war, anytime soon! Lol If anything, the murder of George Floyd brought many Americans together.

And is pro Nazi artwork allowed on this forum? I am referring to the post above mine.
This is not Facebook and the poster above you wasn't posting "pro-Nazi artwork". He was posting an example of a meme that was circulating at a certain time.

You're going to need to thicken up your skin a bit if you want to run with these dogs.
 

questor70

Ostrich
Trump has been the most Pro-Military POTUS since Ronald Reagan
The military aren't going to care whether or not you're "pro" military if they think you're mismanaging them.

The whole Mattis (and Colin Powell) argument is on that basis, questioning Trump's casual willingness to use the US military against our own civilians. Strongman tactics like these are something you'd expect more from a dictatorship. Say what you will about these people having some general axe to grind against Trump but they aren't without substance in their beef.

Note that military coups tend to be the immune system response of last resort when a country is veering into tyranny. If the military starts signaling that they feel their commander in chief has lost the plot and normal checks and balances have failed (which they have in this case, with the GOP shielding Trump at every turn) then don't be surprised if we see a coup of some sort or at least the military refusing certain orders it feels are unconstitutional. The president's hold on power is ultimately dependent on the compliance of the military. So it's in Trump's best interest to pay attention to morale there rather than expecting that the military will always unconditionally do anything they're told.
 
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kel

Pelican
America is not going to have a race war, anytime soon! Lol If anything, the murder of George Floyd brought many Americans together.

And is pro Nazi artwork allowed on this forum? I am referring to the post above mine.
What about the one happening right at this very moment? Is that not soon enough?
 

kamoz

Kingfisher
Gold Member
The military aren't going to care whether or not you're "pro" military if they think you're mismanaging them.

The whole Mattis (and Colin Powell) argument is on that basis, questioning Trump's casual willingness to use the US military against our own civilians. Strongman tactics like these are something you'd expect more from a dictatorship. Say what you will about these people having some general axe to grind against Trump but they aren't without substance in their beef.

Note that military coups tend to be the immune system response of last resort when a country is veering into tyranny. If the military starts signaling that they feel their commander in chief has lost the plot and normal checks and balances have failed (which they have in this case, with the GOP shielding Trump at every turn) then don't be surprised if we see a coup of some sort or at least the military refusing certain orders it feels are unconstitutional. The president's hold on power is ultimately dependent on the compliance of the military. So it's in Trump's best interest to pay attention to morale there rather than expecting that the military will always unconditionally do anything they're told.
Dude what are you talking about? We have parts of the country that have lost all law and order. The military has been called in for much smaller and isolated riots in this country's history. There was nothing casual about Trump's intent to do so. We have people in positions of power (i.e. mayors) that are essentially defecting. We have agent provocateurs, coordination, and financial backing behind these riots. Trump tried to do the right thing but got shouted down for it publicly and probably worse privately. I say "right thing" because at this rate anything the establishment does or says is wrong - in this case the MSM using your phraseology, National Guard troops getting kicked out of hotels, and then top brass lecturing him (this last one probably being a desperate attempt to get some agreement from boomers to ensure it didn't happen). After that Trump seemed to recoil out of sight and let things play out.

Ask yourself this - what do you think would happen if white people, or even just conservatives, in a certain area tried to declare autonomy? We very well may find out soon enough though.

Oh and since when was top brass representative of the average soldier's opinion? Especially retired top brass :squintlol:
 

Deepdiver

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The military aren't going to care whether or not you're "pro" military if they think you're mismanaging them.

The whole Mattis (and Colin Powell) argument is on that basis, questioning Trump's casual willingness to use the US military against our own civilians. Strongman tactics like these are something you'd expect more from a dictatorship. Say what you will about these people having some general axe to grind against Trump but they aren't without substance in their beef.

Note that military coups tend to be the immune system response of last resort when a country is veering into tyranny. If the military starts signaling that they feel their commander in chief has lost the plot and normal checks and balances have failed (which they have in this case, with the GOP shielding Trump at every turn) then don't be surprised if we see a coup of some sort or at least the military refusing certain orders it feels are unconstitutional. The president's hold on power is ultimately dependent on the compliance of the military. So it's in Trump's best interest to pay attention to morale there rather than expecting that the military will always unconditionally do anything they're told.
This post appears to have been written by a BLM, Antifa, Chinese Freaking Communist Red Army agitation propaganda saboteur.

Morale is for the parents back home... At least half the time I served was unpleasant and sometimes just miserable but we made a commitment to protect our country from nuclear attack from the sea by crazy Ivan's on their Murmansk to Havana runs to stock up on rum, Havana Cigars and Latina Tang.

It is called Service in the name of Duty, Honor and Country for a reason.

Obama the Half Cast angry BLM Marxist hate America firster decimated military readiness and morale while expanding Mideast and North African conflicts (Benghazi?)...

Trump has funded the US Military to a level to compete in victorious combat with the CCP and radical islam and Latam narco terrorists simultaneously on land, sea, air and in space.

All we are seeing now are W Bush and Obamunist Globalists pro Red China Flag Officer suckups violating the UCMJ and betraying their oaths to the Constitution by committing sedition against the Commander in Chief's lawful orders to protect the USA with military units against domestic and foreign enemy agitator traitors efforts to overthrow the USA.

These flag officers trying to position themselves as Biden-BLM cabinet officers by sabotaging the CiC and anyone who gives them support, aid and comfort are guilty of High Treason and should be facing severe Military Tribunal Patriots judgement and execution.
 
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Easy_C

Crow
I got one theory from a family member that kinda makes sense:

He suggested that maybe the reason the generals are being so vocal is because they're not confident of having the military's support and are trying to minimize defections from within the ranks.
 
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