"Fratelli Tutti": 10/03/20 Encyclical Letter of Pope Francis

jarlo

Robin
Here's the encyclical: http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...ncesco_20201003_enciclica-fratelli-tutti.html

And here's a summary of the encyclical: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/...aternity-social-friendship-short-summary.html

Here are some quotes from the summary:

In the first of eight chapters, which is entitled “Dark Clouds over a Closed World”, the document reflects on the many distortions of the contemporary era: the manipulation and deformation of concepts such as democracy, freedom, justice; the loss of the meaning of the social community and history; selfishness and indifference toward the common good; the prevalence of a market logic based on profit and the culture of waste; unemployment, racism, poverty; the disparity of rights and its aberrations such as slavery, trafficking, women subjugated and then forced to abort, organ trafficking (see Par 10-24). It deals with global problems that call for global actions, emphasizes the Pope, also sounding the alarm against a “culture of walls” that favours the proliferation of organized crime, fuelled by fear and loneliness (see Par 27-28).

The right to live with dignity cannot be denied to anyone, the Pope again affirms, and since rights have no borders, no one can remain excluded, regardless of where they are born (see Par 121) In this perspective the Pontiff also calls us to consider “an ethics of international relations” (see Par 126), because every country also belongs to foreigners and the goods of the territory cannot be denied to those who are in need and come from another place. Thus, the natural right to private property will be secondary to the principal of the universal destination of created goods (see Par 120). The Encyclical also places specific emphasis on the issue of foreign debt: subject to the principal that it must be paid, it is hoped nonetheless that this does not compromise the growth and subsistence of the poorest countries (see Par 126).

The theme of the fifth chapter is “A better kind of politics”, which represents one of the most valuable forms of charity because it is placed at the service of the common good (see Par 180) and recognizes the importance of people, understood as an open category, available for discussion and dialogue (see Par 160). This is the populism indicated by Francis, which counters that “populism” which ignores the legitimacy of the notion of “people”, by attracting consensuses in order to exploit them for its own service and fomenting selfishness in order to increase its own popularity (see Par 159). But a better politics is also one that protects work, an “essential dimension of social life”. The best strategy against poverty, the Pontiff explains, does not simply aim to contain or render indigents inoffensive, but to promote them in the perspective of solidarity and subsidiarity (see Par 187).

Another hope present in the Encyclical regards the reform of the UN: in the face of the predominance of the economic dimension, a task of the United Nations will be to give substance to the concept of a “family of nations” working for the common good, the eradication of poverty and the protection of human rights. Tireless recourse “to negotiation, mediation and arbitration” – the Papal Document states – the UN must promote the force of law rather than the law of force (see Par 173-175).

Part of the seventh chapter, then, focuses on war: “a constant threat”, that represents “the negation of all rights”, “a failure of politics and of humanity”, and “a stinging defeat before the forces of evil”. Moreover, due to nuclear chemical and biological weapons that strike many innocent civilians, today we can no longer think, as in the past, of the possibility of a “just war”, but we must vehemently reaffirm: “Never again war!” The total elimination of nuclear arms is “a moral and humanitarian imperative”. With the money invested in weapons, the Pope suggests instead the establishment of a global fund for the elimination of hunger (see Par 255-262).

In the eighth and final chapter, the Pontiff focuses on “Religions at the service of fraternity in our world” and emphasizes that terrorism is not due to religion but to erroneous interpretations of religious texts, as well as “policies linked to hunger, poverty, injustice, oppression” (Par 282-283). a journey of peace among religions is possible and that it is therefore necessary to guarantee religious freedom, a fundamental human right for all believers (see Par 279).

As someone currently discerning the faith, my initial reaction to this encyclical is that it's quite disturbing. I somewhat agree with a few things he has to say, and disagree strongly with the majority of what he says. I'd be interested in the comments of some of the board's Catholic members.

Haven't listened to this yet, but here is Timothy Gordon on the encyclical, and the Pope's agreement with the CCP regarding the Church in China:

 
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Neo

Pelican
Gold Member
The church has been stacked with subversives for decades of which Pope Francis is probably one. Be very skeptical of anyone who's an S. J. While he might mean well, the relations with China are disturbing.

I really don't know what's going on and what is causing this trend in all institutions. One thing you have to give leftists credit for is that they are smoother and sneakier at pushing their agenda.
 
The same people who’ve had their hands on the necks of Christians since the foot of the Cross.

Here’s an experiment; I’ve had this post deleted from over a dozen sites today to include conservative outlets.

Try posting and watch the results.

“Chris Wallace needs to be asked one, if he’s a Jewish supremacist two, if he will denounce that Jews are God's chosen people and three, if the Talmud is hate speech. It needs to be done each and every time he’s in public. It can be tactful without prejudice with the goal being every corporate news reporter will think twice before blaming America’s violent cities on her beloved patriots. Someone please make it happen!”

On Earth as in Heaven,
 

NoFunInAus

Woodpecker
What a disgusting piece of NWO vomit.

" because every country also belongs to foreigners and the goods of the territory cannot be denied to those who are in need and come from another place. Thus, the natural right to private property will be secondary to the principal of the universal destination of created goods "

This should disturb even the most devout Catholic.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
This should disturb even the most devout Catholic.

Except it's not remotely disturbing if you know your doctrine, and don't listen to the opposition posing as False Catholics only to promote Schism, such as America Magazine (Reform Judaism), Lifesite News, Dr Taylor Marshall / Timothy Gordon and The Vortex, all of whom are obviously funded by the opposition.

What was the last freakout? The piece of reporting about the Pope telling a mother than God loved her gay son as he is, and then presented by America Magazine as evidence that the Pope approving of his lifestyle, to match their LGBT agenda, which wasn't what he said to her. What he said to her was exactly what he should have said: He stated the Doctrine of the Dignity of The Human Person, which I've seen described as this:

In dealing with human beings, it is a necessary matter of respect to note their incommunicable personhood. Any accidental distinctive qualities in a person, such as pathological disorders or sexual orientation, do not detract from each human being’s dignity as a unique individual created in the image and likeness of God.

Rather than being a revolutionary idea, this doctrine dates back to the early church fathers. This is what you're taught when you work in any kind Third Order work with the poor or disadvantaged, such as my work with the Missionaries of Charity. It doesn't matter if they're Christian or not. It doesn't matter if they're currently a Sinner or not. You are to make no judgments, and to humble yourself before them, and love them for God's sake, not because they offer you personally-pleasing qualities which you could use to derive your own satisfaction from. You're to also love them with Disinterested Love, in that you offer them help, but understand that it is their right of Free Will to refuse it, rather than have you decide it's your job to 'save' them.

I've noticed from experience that anyone with a Legalistic Old Testament view of God is seemingly-incapable of this form of charity, because they operate on Fear, which is how the Devil controls them. The Evangelical strands love to 'write off' the Sinner, which is why the have generated such opposition from the Left, rather than show them Christ's example. This is why the Pope is the Pope, and they're disobedient to the church structure in the belief that they know better than him.

Incidentally, this is what this Encyclical is about. It is restating the Dignity of the Human Person, and, in paragraph after paragraph, Francis calls on Catholics to be more, and to reject the false tactics of division between each of us, used by groups with their own interest. For example, Here's my summing up of the first 30 or so sections:

1-4 Doctrine of the Faith based upon the teachings of a Universal Doctor of the Church.

5. Doctrine of the Dignity of Personhood - human persons created in the image and likeness of God - regardless of Accidentals - i.e., persons are not their 'sins'

6. Statement of Intent

7. Good observation about the Political Worldwide Leadership's inability to navigate Covid, for all their talk of universal brotherhood

8. Reinforcement on the Doctrine of Personhood

10. Mankind seems to have been heading the Universal Call, but...

11. Attacks Worldwide Spontaneous Nationalism (tm), i.e., Chabbad infiltration of Government

12. Attacks Globalism and the Elite

13-14. Attacks Cultural Marxism

15. Attacks Manipulative Emotional Propaganda on both the Extremist Left and Right strands of the Political Spectrum

16. Notes how this is only polarising society

17. Attack on the environmental effects of Jewish Captilism leading the unholy Israel / US / Saudi alliance into their wars for oil and soil

18. Attack on abortion and euthanasia, and the wastage of food

19. Attack on the Marxist destruction of the family, through 'throwing away' the elderly

20. Attack on dehumanisation of others via importing cheap labour for profit, or via racism which is used to manipulate the populace for (((powerful group interests)))

21. A healthy enconomy is no indictation of the spiritual and social health of a country

22. People aren't objects to be used to generate profit

23. The Universal Personhood of Women to exist beyond an objectified state should be respected

24. Attack on Human trafficking

25. (((Economic Interests))) fuel perception of the 'justice' of war

26. ... by dehumanizing the other, we only breed mistrust that fuels war

27-28. suspicion of a dehumanized other builds walls that enslave you to (((false perceptions))) and make you (((exploitable)))

29-31. attacks moral decay, self-interested atomized individuals, and the lack of true community

It goes on and on. Understanding the framework of the argument, what he's talking about makes perfect sense based upon what Catholics are traditionally called to be. His points about the right to immigrate to escape war and the hope of a better life is the type of charity I'd hope to see myself, but he also correctly calls out that they should have the right to remain in their own countries when other countries aren't exploiting them under the cause of false 'just' wars, i.e., America / Israel / UAE.

If these ideas grate with you, it's because you don't know your doctrine, and want a form of Cafeteria Catholicism where you get to pick and choose ideas that ask little of you and don't make you uncomfortable. You don't want to risk personal suffering to help improve the life of the stranger, and want to listen to (((political powers))) who use division between groups to solidify their own power and interests. This is part of the reality of the journey of the soul towards Christ: he will expect you to give all desires of your ego up entirely, and this process is what purifies you, and allows the infused virtues to grow. You can't cling to your wealth for you will 'go away sad' for having a great number of possessions.

If most of what he says strikes you as NWO rambling in isolation, then you need to spend less time listening to schismatic garage, and putting more time into theological study.

I ran into a Ultra-Legalistic Catholic two weeks back, whom I hadn't seen since January 2019. He immediately start waffling on about taking communion in the hand, how Pope Francis was NWO, how the new bishop was 'obviously evil', and I simply can't imagine existing in this fearful, paranoid state and believing that you somehow know God, who generates peace in the soul. When I pointed out the truth that communion on the tongue only began in the 13th century and up until then it was presented in the hand, he couldn't hear me. He hasn't changed a bit in almost two years, yet I've ascended the first five grades of prayer, and have regular Contemplative (mystic) prayer, exactly as Church Doctrine has laid out, in the same amount of time. I've also undergone the Dark Night of the Senses - the passive purification of the Lower faculties - and have been undergoing the Psychological Purification of multiple childhood traumas which is repairing any compulsion towards sin, and have made aware that the Spiritual Espousals aren't far away. I've had the 'arrows of love' as St Theresa of Avila describes, and the occasional Ecstasy.

I'm not saying this big note myself or to appear holy, because this all comes from God, not me, but to explain that all of this happened because I dealt with Fear and Suspicion about the Church very early in the Purgative Way - which is when it seems to arrive - by placing my complete trust in God and accepting that it didn't matter and was beyond my power to change it, and to trust in Humility, Obedience and working on Detaching from the World and my Sins, exactly as Doctrine teaches us, are of vital importance in the early stage of the journey. Other people's sins are NOT your concern, focus on correcting your own. You also need to start a regular programme of working out your Intuitive Intellect, which is how God will start communicating with your soul, but won't happen if you don't give Him the time of your own Free Will regularly enough that he'll start purifying you himself, rather than it remaining your own efforts. Every moment you read Fear Porn online about the Church, the Devil has successfully distracted you from your True Mission, and if you show disrespect to ordained authority - for all social power comes from God - then the demons are allowed legal entry.

So, for this man to try and drag me back to that place, despite the advances I've been graced with, was a great test of patience, particularly when he doesn't seem to know any genuine theology, whereas I could reinforce what I was saying with multiple sources.

"I haven't heard that."

"It's a teaching of a *universal* doctor of the Church, meaning everyone is encouraged to follow what they taught."

"Well, I haven't heard it." <- continues rambling how we have to 'save' the church.

I ended up saying "I think it's great you have such a great respect for the Eucharist. We have Eucharistic Adoration every morning from 6-7 am at [my church]. 6-8 on Sunday Morning, though it's usually just me and [the two priests]. You should come along."

He made excuses, and hasn't shown up yet, and I don't expect him to. What all his complaints about the Pope, or the Bishop, or the 'satanists' in the Church is really about is self-justification: an attempt to make himself seem holier than he is to others. Whereas, I understand that, although I've been incredibly-graced, God has only done so because of my utter inability to be good under my own power. I told the man I was the worst person in the Diocese, and it's not false modesty. I genuinely-understand that, and guarantee that I know I need God more than anyone in this town.

If the fear and suspicion of the church ever returns to me, it has reliably turned out to be a demon putting such thoughts into my head, and the peace and trust instantly return upon deliverance, which should tell you everything about the motives of people who push Schismatic Garbage on others.

Look, I'm old. Every pope in my lifetime has apparently been 'the final pope' or 'the antichrist' or a 'modernist who will destroy the church'. It's exhausting. A new Saint is being beatified in two weeks: Blessed Carlos Acutis. He died of cancer at 15 in 2006, and offered up all his suffering as he died a long and agonising death for the Church and for the Pope.



They exhumed his body this year after miracles were attributed to his intercession, and his Cause was advanced.

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That's 14 years after death. If Pope John Paul II was Satanic, Carlos' devotion to Him didn't seem to worry God any. He'll be the Patron Saint of Gamers, btw.

My advice is what I've said above, but I'd also suggest to do your own research rather than being 'told' by bloggers and the media what a statement is, and, if something worries you, research what the Church teaches on the subject, and you'll find that what is being sold as modernism is generally tradition.

I don't know how many times I have to write this, and am accepting that maybe people are incapable of hearing the truth: Legalistic Fear is the successful distraction from God, not a sign of being close to Him in Trust. When you give into this, the Devil is winning, and you will never truly know God unless you conquer this disobedience.

I've accepted those on the Right have a tendency towards emotional reactivity. You're Catholics: act like it. Keep calm, trust and study what you don't understand.
 

NickK

Sparrow
That's 14 years after death. If Pope John Paul II was Satanic, Carlos' devotion to Him didn't seem to worry God any. He'll be the Patron Saint of Gamers, btw.
Church officials, however, clarified that Acutis' body is "not incorrupt."
Archbishop Domenico Sorrentino of Assisi, at the Mass following the tomb's opening, said Acutis' body was "reassembled with art and love."
"Today we see him again in his mortal body. A body that has passed, in the years of burial in Assisi, through the normal process of decay, which is the legacy of the human condition after sin has removed it from God, the source of life. But this mortal body is destined for resurrection," the archbishop said, as quoted by the Catholic News Agency.


He is mummified to keep people in heresy.
 

Chains of Peter

Woodpecker
@AnonymousBosch ,

Anything Jorge the Humble says or does is invalidated by two things:

1. HE WAS NEVER THE POPE.
2. He offered the Most Holy and August Sacrifice of the Mass to an idol.

I don't know who or what got to you, but if you accept the freemasonic inversion of Jesus's commandments, you're a deceiver just like Mister James Martin.
 

jarlo

Robin
A short video titled "Marxism, Freemasonry & Brotherhood" from Father Mark Goring discussing Pope Benedict's "The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood". It doesn't make explicit reference to Fratelli Tutti, but the timing is such that it is clearly intended as a contrast to Fratelli Tutti. About five minutes long, and worth a watch.

 

jarlo

Robin
Taylor Marshall has released a review of Fratelli Tutti:


It's a fairly long video, and is organized as follows:
  1. Is it a valid "Encyclical"?
  2. Racism
  3. Interreligious relations and False Ecumenism
  4. Immigration and Private Property (Socialism)
  5. "Liberty, equality and fraternity" aka Freemasonic goals
  6. Dignity of women
  7. Capital punishment and Just War
  8. United Nations International politics
 
Except it's not remotely disturbing if you know your doctrine, and don't listen to the opposition posing as False Catholics only to promote Schism, such as America Magazine (Reform Judaism), Lifesite News, Dr Taylor Marshall / Timothy Gordon and The Vortex, all of whom are obviously funded by the opposition.

What was the last freakout? The piece of reporting about the Pope telling a mother than God loved her gay son as he is, and then presented by America Magazine as evidence that the Pope approving of his lifestyle, to match their LGBT agenda, which wasn't what he said to her. What he said to her was exactly what he should have said: He stated the Doctrine of the Dignity of The Human Person, which I've seen described as this:

In dealing with human beings, it is a necessary matter of respect to note their incommunicable personhood. Any accidental distinctive qualities in a person, such as pathological disorders or sexual orientation, do not detract from each human being’s dignity as a unique individual created in the image and likeness of God.

Rather than being a revolutionary idea, this doctrine dates back to the early church fathers. This is what you're taught when you work in any kind Third Order work with the poor or disadvantaged, such as my work with the Missionaries of Charity. It doesn't matter if they're Christian or not. It doesn't matter if they're currently a Sinner or not. You are to make no judgments, and to humble yourself before them, and love them for God's sake, not because they offer you personally-pleasing qualities which you could use to derive your own satisfaction from. You're to also love them with Disinterested Love, in that you offer them help, but understand that it is their right of Free Will to refuse it, rather than have you decide it's your job to 'save' them.

I've noticed from experience that anyone with a Legalistic Old Testament view of God is seemingly-incapable of this form of charity, because they operate on Fear, which is how the Devil controls them. The Evangelical strands love to 'write off' the Sinner, which is why the have generated such opposition from the Left, rather than show them Christ's example. This is why the Pope is the Pope, and they're disobedient to the church structure in the belief that they know better than him.

Incidentally, this is what this Encyclical is about. It is restating the Dignity of the Human Person, and, in paragraph after paragraph, Francis calls on Catholics to be more, and to reject the false tactics of division between each of us, used by groups with their own interest. For example, Here's my summing up of the first 30 or so sections:

1-4 Doctrine of the Faith based upon the teachings of a Universal Doctor of the Church.

5. Doctrine of the Dignity of Personhood - human persons created in the image and likeness of God - regardless of Accidentals - i.e., persons are not their 'sins'

6. Statement of Intent

7. Good observation about the Political Worldwide Leadership's inability to navigate Covid, for all their talk of universal brotherhood

8. Reinforcement on the Doctrine of Personhood

10. Mankind seems to have been heading the Universal Call, but...

11. Attacks Worldwide Spontaneous Nationalism (tm), i.e., Chabbad infiltration of Government

12. Attacks Globalism and the Elite

13-14. Attacks Cultural Marxism

15. Attacks Manipulative Emotional Propaganda on both the Extremist Left and Right strands of the Political Spectrum

16. Notes how this is only polarising society

17. Attack on the environmental effects of Jewish Captilism leading the unholy Israel / US / Saudi alliance into their wars for oil and soil

18. Attack on abortion and euthanasia, and the wastage of food

19. Attack on the Marxist destruction of the family, through 'throwing away' the elderly

20. Attack on dehumanisation of others via importing cheap labour for profit, or via racism which is used to manipulate the populace for (((powerful group interests)))

21. A healthy enconomy is no indictation of the spiritual and social health of a country

22. People aren't objects to be used to generate profit

23. The Universal Personhood of Women to exist beyond an objectified state should be respected

24. Attack on Human trafficking

25. (((Economic Interests))) fuel perception of the 'justice' of war

26. ... by dehumanizing the other, we only breed mistrust that fuels war

27-28. suspicion of a dehumanized other builds walls that enslave you to (((false perceptions))) and make you (((exploitable)))

29-31. attacks moral decay, self-interested atomized individuals, and the lack of true community

It goes on and on. Understanding the framework of the argument, what he's talking about makes perfect sense based upon what Catholics are traditionally called to be. His points about the right to immigrate to escape war and the hope of a better life is the type of charity I'd hope to see myself, but he also correctly calls out that they should have the right to remain in their own countries when other countries aren't exploiting them under the cause of false 'just' wars, i.e., America / Israel / UAE.

If these ideas grate with you, it's because you don't know your doctrine, and want a form of Cafeteria Catholicism where you get to pick and choose ideas that ask little of you and don't make you uncomfortable. You don't want to risk personal suffering to help improve the life of the stranger, and want to listen to (((political powers))) who use division between groups to solidify their own power and interests. This is part of the reality of the journey of the soul towards Christ: he will expect you to give all desires of your ego up entirely, and this process is what purifies you, and allows the infused virtues to grow. You can't cling to your wealth for you will 'go away sad' for having a great number of possessions.

If most of what he says strikes you as NWO rambling in isolation, then you need to spend less time listening to schismatic garage, and putting more time into theological study.

I ran into a Ultra-Legalistic Catholic two weeks back, whom I hadn't seen since January 2019. He immediately start waffling on about taking communion in the hand, how Pope Francis was NWO, how the new bishop was 'obviously evil', and I simply can't imagine existing in this fearful, paranoid state and believing that you somehow know God, who generates peace in the soul. When I pointed out the truth that communion on the tongue only began in the 13th century and up until then it was presented in the hand, he couldn't hear me. He hasn't changed a bit in almost two years, yet I've ascended the first five grades of prayer, and have regular Contemplative (mystic) prayer, exactly as Church Doctrine has laid out, in the same amount of time. I've also undergone the Dark Night of the Senses - the passive purification of the Lower faculties - and have been undergoing the Psychological Purification of multiple childhood traumas which is repairing any compulsion towards sin, and have made aware that the Spiritual Espousals aren't far away. I've had the 'arrows of love' as St Theresa of Avila describes, and the occasional Ecstasy.

I'm not saying this big note myself or to appear holy, because this all comes from God, not me, but to explain that all of this happened because I dealt with Fear and Suspicion about the Church very early in the Purgative Way - which is when it seems to arrive - by placing my complete trust in God and accepting that it didn't matter and was beyond my power to change it, and to trust in Humility, Obedience and working on Detaching from the World and my Sins, exactly as Doctrine teaches us, are of vital importance in the early stage of the journey. Other people's sins are NOT your concern, focus on correcting your own. You also need to start a regular programme of working out your Intuitive Intellect, which is how God will start communicating with your soul, but won't happen if you don't give Him the time of your own Free Will regularly enough that he'll start purifying you himself, rather than it remaining your own efforts. Every moment you read Fear Porn online about the Church, the Devil has successfully distracted you from your True Mission, and if you show disrespect to ordained authority - for all social power comes from God - then the demons are allowed legal entry.

So, for this man to try and drag me back to that place, despite the advances I've been graced with, was a great test of patience, particularly when he doesn't seem to know any genuine theology, whereas I could reinforce what I was saying with multiple sources.

"I haven't heard that."

"It's a teaching of a *universal* doctor of the Church, meaning everyone is encouraged to follow what they taught."

"Well, I haven't heard it." <- continues rambling how we have to 'save' the church.

I ended up saying "I think it's great you have such a great respect for the Eucharist. We have Eucharistic Adoration every morning from 6-7 am at [my church]. 6-8 on Sunday Morning, though it's usually just me and [the two priests]. You should come along."

He made excuses, and hasn't shown up yet, and I don't expect him to. What all his complaints about the Pope, or the Bishop, or the 'satanists' in the Church is really about is self-justification: an attempt to make himself seem holier than he is to others. Whereas, I understand that, although I've been incredibly-graced, God has only done so because of my utter inability to be good under my own power. I told the man I was the worst person in the Diocese, and it's not false modesty. I genuinely-understand that, and guarantee that I know I need God more than anyone in this town.

If the fear and suspicion of the church ever returns to me, it has reliably turned out to be a demon putting such thoughts into my head, and the peace and trust instantly return upon deliverance, which should tell you everything about the motives of people who push Schismatic Garbage on others.

Look, I'm old. Every pope in my lifetime has apparently been 'the final pope' or 'the antichrist' or a 'modernist who will destroy the church'. It's exhausting. A new Saint is being beatified in two weeks: Blessed Carlos Acutis. He died of cancer at 15 in 2006, and offered up all his suffering as he died a long and agonising death for the Church and for the Pope.



They exhumed his body this year after miracles were attributed to his intercession, and his Cause was advanced.

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That's 14 years after death. If Pope John Paul II was Satanic, Carlos' devotion to Him didn't seem to worry God any. He'll be the Patron Saint of Gamers, btw.

My advice is what I've said above, but I'd also suggest to do your own research rather than being 'told' by bloggers and the media what a statement is, and, if something worries you, research what the Church teaches on the subject, and you'll find that what is being sold as modernism is generally tradition.

I don't know how many times I have to write this, and am accepting that maybe people are incapable of hearing the truth: Legalistic Fear is the successful distraction from God, not a sign of being close to Him in Trust. When you give into this, the Devil is winning, and you will never truly know God unless you conquer this disobedience.

I've accepted those on the Right have a tendency towards emotional reactivity. You're Catholics: act like it. Keep calm, trust and study what you don't understand.


Bosch, I have great respect for you, your journey and your work here but I don't understand why you defend the Pope.

I am the worst Catholic when it comes to knowing the catechism, the doctrines, etc, but I trust my intuition and every time I read something from the Pope, I just don't hear the truth. I only hear big words, but empty words. He sounds more like a politician or a Bill Gates than a Catholic.

I don't care about the fights and egos in the Church, I just care about the truth and I just don't hear it with the Pope.
 
@Bosch, I had to "fact check" you after I read something suspicious, mainly the "receiving in the tongue in the 13th century" statement. I did a quick search and found nothing to support that claim except in a well-known catholic forum. I did find this however:



"The custom of placing the Sacred Particle in the mouth, rather than in the hand of the communicant, dates in Rome from the sixth, and in Gaul from the ninth century (Van der Stappen, IV, 227; cf. St. Greg., Dial., I, III, c. iii). (Catholic Encyclopedia: “Genuflexion”) "

The article goes on to describe in much more detail about communion in the hand/tongue. Pretty informative.

America Magazine is also a Jesuit Magazine ran by James Martin, who is good friends with Pope Francis. If America Magazine has misinterpreted what Pope Francis has stated over the years, why hasnt the pope, vatican, bishop etc taken action against the magazine? Why let it continue spread lies and falshoods, especially it being a jesuit ran magazine?

Also, a person's sexual orientation is not an "accidental distinctive quality" it is chosen by a person who cannot control their passions, among other traumas they faced in their childhood (mostly molestation) that leads them to such degenerate behavior.

Another thing i'd like to point out is the Taylor Marshall does not promote Schism... where do you even get that from? I'm not going to comment on the gordon brothers or the Sodomite who runs The Vortex as i'm not a fan of both of those, but TM does not promote schism and at least from my understanding, is not a "false catholic" of course he is not perfect, no one is, but he is a decent source of info.

" 15. Attacks Manipulative Emotional Propaganda on both the Extremist Left and Right strands of the Political Spectrum "

Are "Right wing strands" really a Problem in the U.S or anywhere else? It is clear that Left wing liberalism is a problem while "right wingers" are not a problem in any serious capacity as the globalist have made that impossible. I can go on and on dissecting the points from your summary, but i'll leave it here.

As for the rest of your post, I think it's great that you are at a seemingly advanced spiritual level. I highly respect that and hope that someday, I reach that level of piety. I understand where you're coming from, that most of us should not worry about every move Pope Francis is doing, or that we should not let news about the vatican create anxiety and fear in us. That is great advice, and the same can be said for those who follow the news too closely. it gets in the way of their spiritual life.

I mean no offense, truly, but you've said it yourself. you are "old". A common theme among people getting older is that they will never change from their old ways. While you mean well, I get the feeling that YOU just cannot see what is going on in today's church and how Pope Francis' ambiguity and lack of clarity is hurting The Church and laity. I am not surprised, as you are one, an older person and two, deep into your prayer life. You have moved beyond the "politics" of the church and more to a contemplative life, as you told us yourself.

As for the fear of every pope being an "Antichrist" aside from protestants who believe that, most Catholics have been weary of the Popes the past few decades because each one pushes the overton window of liberalism & modernism further and further. I'm not even going to go unto the details here because its blatantly obvious...

The wrong information in your post also makes me cautious of you. Again, perhaps you dont mean to spread disinfo, but it is clear that perhaps you're not the best person to discuss the day to day happenings of the Vatican and Church. It seems also that you tried to insert you own biases (such as inserting ((())) to get us to agree with you, but lets be real, is pope francis really talking about jews and globalist???) Leave the Vatican "politics" to others. Serious Catholics will not leave the church over this. We know that we have to continue to fight the good fight to restore the Catholic church to its former glory. Thank you for your concern. At the very least, your post has reminded me to continue increasing my prayer time.
 
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NoFunInAus

Woodpecker
Here's an official video as well on the Encyclical... notice the video footage used, mainly refugees, Muslims and even the U.N shown in a positive light.

But yes, Pope Francis is actually against the Globalist (Insert Clown Emoji)


Please warn us before the terror thanks.
Also; why is a black hand never helping a white one?
 

DanielH

Woodpecker
Here's an official video as well on the Encyclical... notice the video footage used, mainly refugees, Muslims and even the U.N shown in a positive light.

But yes, Pope Francis is actually against the Globalist (Insert Clown Emoji)

Human beings most certainly do have borders... First off, there's my country's borders, and then even for me there's a property line and the physical walls of my house. Now people have the “right” to come to my country, and *take* from me? Charity is worthless if it is not voluntary. I've been silent on this so far as I'm Ortgodox, not Catholic, but this is absurd and this point and this rhetoric is actually threatening to my country, my way of life, and my family's personal safety.

Further, the Pope's ecumenism is disturbing to say the least. He will encourage fraternity with Hindus, who sacrifice to cannibalistic “gods,” yet the first words Christ spoke in his public ministry were “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” Not “hey everyone let's talk about this and share what we have in common, maybe we can find a universal truth here with your pagan gods and mine.”
 
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