Fukushima

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
And what would the people have us RooshV forum members do? Run around with a panic? The only scenarios I will panic in is 1) big fuck-off volcano about to blow such as Yellowstone or nuclear bombs on their way.

What can you do once the event has occurred? Punish those responsible and learn from it. Hence why you shouldn't build nuclear reacttors in earthquake zones, towns and villages on hillsides because of mudslides or build on flood plains because they flood. Fucking genius idea! But stupid people will do as they please.

Radiation is natural to the planet is what people are forgetting. Without it I doubt our planet would be the way it is. Further to the migrant invasion which has real consequences in real-time. The fukishima power plant isn't going to be barging into your home because it is too cold or feels entitled to your house nor is it conducting gang rape because it feels horny.

The planet would recover from a mountain sized asteroid hitting it in good time and people think we can permanently harm it? :laugh: Ridiculous!
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Lime said:
I perceive the lack of interest for Fukushima by the Rooshvforum as scandalous. Worrying about mass migration in Europe while the life in their own sea is being destroyed.

http://enenews.com/professors-large...-sea-life-along-fukushima-coast-missing-video

The reason: this forums calls, erroneously, the Fukushima "Whistleblowers" anti-nuclear hippies.

Furthermore, the forum throws, erroneously, environmental activists in the same basket as SJW's.

They might be the same people, I guess it is somewhat an American thing, environmentalists are not necessarily SJW's.

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Lime

Kingfisher
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This is exactly what I mean. The difference between environmentalists and a rational person who decides to not eat fish from polluted parts is consederable, and you make it not look as such.
 

The Lizard of Oz

Crow
Gold Member
Lime said:
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This is exactly what I mean. The difference between environmentalists and a rational person who decides to not eat fish from polluted parts of the sea is negligible, according to the forum.

What "polluted part" of what "sea" LOL?

First, the Pacific Ocean is not a "sea". Second, the idea that, for example, there is any detectable excess radiation from Fukushima as far out as the American west coast is sheer lunacy, and testifies to the scientific illiteracy typical of "rational" folk who "fucking love science".

There isn't even detectable excess radiation in the f'ing Pacific Ocean off the coast of Japan. The Japs are sitting around in Tokyo, eating their sushi, grinning, and happy as clams, no pun intended. As well they should be.

Being a very thorough people they actually check every fish caught for radiation, just in case. There is no detectable excess radiation in the vast majority of fish. What does happen very occasionally is that a fish will escape from the sealed container around the reactor itself. Those fish can carry detectable amount of trace excess radiation (which would likely be harmless in any case) and they are discarded. That's it.
 

Lime

Kingfisher
The Lizard of Oz said:
Lime said:
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This is exactly what I mean. The difference between environmentalists and a rational person who decides to not eat fish from polluted parts of the sea is negligible, according to the forum.

What "polluted part" of what "sea" LOL?

First, the Pacific Ocean is not a "sea". Second, the idea that, for example, there is any detectable excess radiation from Fukushima as far out as the American west coast is sheer lunacy, and testifies to the scientific illiteracy typical of "rational" folk who "fucking love science".

There isn't even detectable excess radiation in the f'ing Pacific Ocean off the coast of Japan. The Japs are sitting around in Tokyo, eating their sushi, grinning, and happy as clams, no pun intended. As well they should be.

Being a very thorough people they actually check every fish caught for radiation, just in case. There is no detectable excess radiation in the vast majority of fish. What does happen very occasionally is that a fish will escape from the sealed container around the reactor itself. Those fish can carry detectable amount of trace excess radiation (which would likely be harmless in any case) and they are discarded. That's it.

My original point was that SJW's and environmentalists are not the same but treated as such. I get, from your response, that environmentalists are the worst of the worst of the SJW's.

I have an example of one of those environmentalists, who are the worst of SJW's, according to you:

http://qz.com/417352/thanks-to-vladimir-putin-amur-tigers-are-roaring-back-in-russias-far-east/

Apparently Putin accomplished a lot for the Russian tiger population. SJW? I doubt it.

See what point I want to make? This forum throws biodiversity protectors at one heap with the environmentalists that you mean, and THAT is where it goes wrong in my opinion.

Love for nature transcends being a SJW or not.
 

The Lizard of Oz

Crow
Gold Member
Nope. Your original point was that it's "scandalous" that this forum is not preoccupied with the terrifying threat from Fukushima, and is instead concerned with such relative trivia as the migrants currently inundating Europe.

As I said before, your concern is duly noted.
 

Veloce

Crow
Gold Member
Lime said:
I perceive the lack of interest for Fukushima by the Rooshvforum as scandalous. Worrying about mass migration in Europe while the life in their own sea is being destroyed.

http://enenews.com/professors-large...-sea-life-along-fukushima-coast-missing-video

The reason: this forums calls, erroneously, the Fukushima "Whistleblowers" anti-nuclear hippies.

Furthermore, the forum throws, erroneously, environmental activists in the same basket as SJW's.

They might be the same people, I guess it is somewhat an American thing, environmentalists are not necessarily SJW's.

The dying off of those starfish is due to a virus. 1 single drop of seawater contains about 10 million viruses. Newsflash: viruses mutate and adapt and sometimes wipe out entire species. It's a story that's as old as the Universe itself.

This forum throws biodiversity protectors at one heap with the environmentalists that you mean

What a title. You think Putin refers to himself as a biodiversity protector? He made a point to protect tigers because they're beautiful creatures that represent strength and are one of nature's great creatures. How many other species have gone extinct in Russia that Putin doesn't give a shit about? Think he cares about some endangered frog living on the edge of a swamp?

I'm all about conservation and there are serious concerns with overfishing and the effects of bottom trawling. It's the work of nitwit alarmist "environmentalists" that take the focus away from where its needed in order to stir up hype and hysteria over non-issues.
 

Lime

Kingfisher
@The Lizard of Oz: I never said mass migration is trivial, only relative to West coast USA. Thanks for your input, though.

Veloce said:
The dying off of those starfish is due to a virus. 1 single drop of seawater contains about 10 million viruses. Newsflash: viruses mutate and adapt and sometimes wipe out entire species. It's a story that's as old as the Universe itself.

This forum throws biodiversity protectors at one heap with the environmentalists that you mean

How many other species have gone extinct in Russia that Putin doesn't give a shit about? Think he cares about some endangered frog living on the edge of a swamp?

I'm all about conservation and there are serious concerns with overfishing and the effects of bottom trawling. It's the work of nitwit alarmist "environmentalists" that take the focus away from where its needed in order to stir up hype and hysteria over non-issues.

The mammoth :tard: http://www.ibtimes.com/cloning-poss...created-russia-south-korea-scientists-2080265 . But honestly Russia, with it's vast space, doesn't lose as many species as smaller tropical nations do.

But all in all, interesting cultural differences. In Western Europe we see Fukushima more as a conspiracy thing rather than that environmentalists talk about it. We just talk about how MSM don't talk about it.
 

The Lizard of Oz

Crow
Gold Member
Lime said:
@The Lizard of Oz: I never said mass migration is trivial, only relative to West coast USA. Thanks for your input, though.

You're welcome.

How is this for a suggestion: you guys in Europe deal with your migrants and we over here will deal with our starfish. Americans love a challenge.
 

Gringuito

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Lime, I'm all for protecting the environment if otherwise it would pose a threat to humans. I'm also concerned about animals especially those that directly or indirectly are needed by humans. But we have to come first. The reason being is that if many different animal species become extinct (like the mammoth) we soon will be able to bring them back. On the other hand, if all humans die off saving the planet for animals...animals will die off anyway by the first large rock that randomly hits the earth. Or the sun will eventually kill them off.
 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
Social Justice and Environmental Conservation are great goods, in the abstract. The problem is that the activists for both of these are dedicated to the idea of government directing every detail of all human activities, in the economic and social realms.

They blame big capitalism for many of the ills in the world as far as pollution and the poor and downtrodden. However, most of these ills are really caused by crony capitalism, which is not due to capitalism, but really is due to socialism.

In the case of Fukushima, I've looked up the real consequences of this accident, and as far as I can tell, the increase in radiation levels in the Pacific and on the West Coast of the US are negligible. The only area seriously affected is the area immediately surrounding the damaged nuclear plant.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Cr33pin said:
Come tomorrow I'ma be all about that radiation
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I just bought some blue crab too.

I'll make sure to turn the lights off to watch it glow in the dark when I eat it.

OP you want a serious environmental disaster? Go to China where the ecological impact of human activity is far worse that radioactive ground water. They even have glowing pork for you to try.
 

Cr33pin

Peacock
Gold Member
New news is coming out about the (highly underrated) Fukushima disaster.
Link to the article bellow

Time to reconsider that trip to the east coast of Japan.

A containment vessel at the destroyed Fukushima No. 1 power plant has reached off-the-chart radiation levels, reported the Japan Times.
New news is surfacing about this disaster that I think is highly underrated.

The reading of 530 sieverts per hour represents the highest level of radiation the reactor site has seen since three nuclear meltdowns hit the power plant in March 2011 almost six years ago -- and also among the most deadly.

To put the danger to human life into perspective, the 530 sieverts reading is high enough to prove fatal during even brief exposure, compounding the problem of containment for the government and Tokyo Power Electric Company (TEPCO). 4 sieverts would kill one in two people, and 1 seivert could lead to hair loss and infertility, the Japan Times noted, citing the National Institute of Radiological Sciences.

Experts believe that escaped melted fuel can account for the spiked reading.

The Fukushima 1 Nuclear Power Plant suffered a series of meltdowns and explosions after Tsunami-triggered earthquakes crippled Japan's coast. The cleanup is expected to take decades.

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blck

Pelican
Gold Member
Cr33pin said:
Time to reconsider that trip to the east coast of Japan.

A containment vessel at the destroyed Fukushima No. 1 power plant has reached off-the-chart radiation levels, reported the Japan Times.
New news is surfacing about this disaster that I think is highly underrated.
[...]
The Fukushima 1 Nuclear Power Plant suffered a series of meltdowns and explosions after Tsunami-triggered earthquakes crippled Japan's coast. The cleanup is expected to take decades.

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Might be a good time to invest...

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Think about how happy your grand-grand-grand-grand-grand kids will be...
 

weambulance

Hummingbird
Gold Member
The radiation level in question is in a containment chamber, not leaking out into the open, and apparently it's a place that hadn't even been measured before. So without baseline data, how can they claim radiation levels are rising? What would even cause radiation levels to rise within the chamber? Magic?

Sounds like just more of the same anti-nuclear alarmism.

On another note, I find it very irritating that the whole reason it's even possible for these sorts of fucking stupid, negligent accidents to happen is because alarmism after Three Mile Island and Chernobyl nearly halted the development of nuclear power technology. Commercial reactors in use today are basically the same design from 30+ years ago. Nuclear reactors are far from a mature technology, and developing nuclear power is the only road to something better. Instead we waste enormous amounts of time and money wanking around with bullshit "renewable" bird cuisinarts and lizard broilers that can't replace coal/NG plants anyway. It's maddening.

No, radiation levels at Fukushima Daiichi are not rising

Some pictures and whatnot at the link.

— Yes, TEPCO has measured very high radiation inside Daichi Unit 2.

— No, it does’t mean radiation levels there are rising.

In response to visual investigation results and high radiation measurements recently taken by TEPCO inside Fukushima Daiichi Unit 2, many news outlets have published stories with headlines like “Fukushima nuclear reactor radiation at highest level since 2011 meltdown.” (The Guardian, Feb. 3, 2017).

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-radiation-levels-highest-since-2011-meltdown

http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20170202/p2g/00m/0dm/087000c

https://www.japantoday.com/category...vel-detected-inside-damaged-fukushima-reactor

This has led to a number of alarming stories claiming that radiation at Daiichi has “spiked” to unprecedented levels. That’s not what the findings indicate, however. In addition, Safecast’s own measurements, including our Pointcast realtime detector system have shown radiation levels near Daiichi to be steadily declining. As described in the Safecast Report, Vol.2, Section 2.1.4, TEPCO and its research partners have been developing robots and remote visualization devices to search for melted fuel debris deep inside the Daiichi reactor units, and to help plan for its eventual removal. On January 30th, 2017, a long telescoping device with a camera and radiation measurement device attached was inserted through an existing opening in the reactor containment of Unit 2 for the first time, and successfully extended approximately 8 meters into in an area known as the “pedestal,” to measure and take images from immediately below the damaged reactor pressure vessel (RPV). In addition to finding the area covered with molten material likely to be fuel debris, radiation levels of 530 Sieverts per hour were detected, which would be fatal to a person exposed for only a few seconds.

It must be stressed that radiation in this area has not been measured before, and it was expected to be extremely high. While 530 Sv/hr is the highest measured so far at Fukushima Daiichi, it does not mean that levels there are rising, but that a previously unmeasurable high-radiation area has finally been measured. Similar remote investigations are being planned for Daiichi Units 1 and 3. We should not be surprised if even higher radiation levels are found there, but only actual measurements will tell. Unit 4 was defuelled at the time of the accident, and though the reactor building exploded and the spent fuel pool was dangerously exposed, it did not suffer a meltdown, so similar investigations are not being conducted.

Under a consortium called IRID, TEPCO and its research partners have been developing robots and other devices to assist in investigations inside the damaged reactors, where radiation levels are too high to allow humans to safely enter. The recent investigations at Unit 2 were intended to help plan the travel path of a folding crawler robot called the “Scorpion.” This device is designed to crawl around on the metal grating deck inside the pedestal and gather further imagery and measurements. The recent investigations, however, have revealed a 1×1 meter section of the deck to be melted through, and much of the rest may be impassable for the robot. In addition, the high radiation levels will likely limit the amount of time the robot will be able to operate before malfunctioning to about 2 hours, instead of the planned 10 hours. Much more melted fuel debris is assumed to have settled beneath the pedestal grating on the concrete basemat of the reactor. It was hoped that the Scorpion would be able to provide imagery of this. Not surprisingly, TEPCO is once again revising its plans based on the recent findings. These investigations are technically quite impressive, but they have already been delayed for over a year due to the need to more adequately decontaminate the area where human workers must operate and to solve other technical problems. This recent imagery is extremely informative and helpful, and had been eagerly awaited by many concerned people, including Safecast. If nothing else, we have learned to be patient as TEPCO proceeds slowly and cautiously with this work. The process of removing melted fuel debris from the damaged reactors at Fukushima Daiichi is expected to take decades, and these recent findings remind us once again that TEPCO has little grounds for optimism about the challenges of this massive and technically unprecedented project.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
It's hard to make out the truth on Fukushima between the fringe alarmist endtimer types and the official all-is-well deniers.
 
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