Game instructors are shutting down their web sites

[Samseau]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Thanks. I feel 'vindicated' in the sense that I am able to perceive things relatively clearly and be reasonably understood.

I wrote, back in 2014, that it it was inevitable for this forum to become centered around politics. The God pill I did not foresee as clearly, although both myself and Athlone McGuiness aka Excelsior agreed the future would belong to the religious. (The Religious Shall Inherit the Earth)

 

[Vladimir Poontang]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I wonder what they'd say if there was a PUA who didn't call himself a PUA, and whose advice was 100% in agreement with how feminists think men should talk to women. What would they say? They wouldn't be able to criticize his methods because they would agree with them. The only thing they'd criticize is the fact of a man approaching women. In which case he could say ok then women, approach me.

 

[Nineteen84]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I wonder what they'd say if there was a PUA who didn't call himself a PUA, and whose advice was 100% in agreement with how feminists think men should talk to women. What would they say? They wouldn't be able to criticize his methods because they would agree with them. The only thing they'd criticize is the fact of a man approaching women. In which case he could say ok then women, approach me.

'yes but his motives are bad... put him in jail...'

 

[mammal]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

His mistake was not wearing a dress and claiming to be a transgendered lesbian.
THEY are allowed to talk to women.
Seriously though, if you are terrified that someone will talk to you in a public place and you're 16 or 18, you have problems.
And if Ahmed or whoever thinks that by approaching unknown women that is going to lead to a coffee date, he's got a lack of social skills. But that's no crime.

Could you imagine a 38 year old woman being convicted of "acting in a threatening and abusive manner", ie assault of a *criminal nature* rather than even a (still egregious) civil law tortious offence, had she done the same to an 18 year old man?
...

Or is this a crime that men can commit and women cannot? Would a woman have been charged with the same offence? Could she have been?

 

[mammal]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Thus, the "game" is zero-sum. Every time one man gets some pussy, it means some other guy isn't getting pussy. And the more men learn game, the more competitive the market becomes which makes the cost to the pussy-market even higher for young-men entering the dating pool. This creates yet even more frustrated betas.

When a man scores an attractive woman, it means he beat out roughly 1-3 men who would have also banged that woman. We know there are more available men than women because a man's sexual shelf-life is longer and the obesity epidemic has shrunk the amount of fuckable women drastically.

Zero-sum is true for the marriage market, but only sometimes true for the dating market. Many women have no moral compunction against dating and having sex with more than one man, keeping the multiple men ignorant ofeach other's existence.
However, the obesitiy epidemic is real as is the conceitedness epidemic.

 

[Samseau]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Thus, the "game" is zero-sum. Every time one man gets some pussy, it means some other guy isn't getting pussy. And the more men learn game, the more competitive the market becomes which makes the cost to the pussy-market even higher for young-men entering the dating pool. This creates yet even more frustrated betas.

When a man scores an attractive woman, it means he beat out roughly 1-3 men who would have also banged that woman. We know there are more available men than women because a man's sexual shelf-life is longer and the obesity epidemic has shrunk the amount of fuckable women drastically.

Zero-sum is true for the marriage market, but only sometimes true for the dating market. Many women have no moral compunction against dating and having sex with more than one alpha man, keeping the multiple men ignorant ofeach other's existence.
However, the obesitiy epidemic is real as is the conceitedness epidemic.

Fixed. Betas get nothing. Additionally, women who bang lots of alphas are no different than any other addict...

 

[CaptainS]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Article: Glasgow ‘pick-up artist’ Adnan ‘Addy A-Game’ Ahmed found guilty of hounding young women

A SCOTS pick-up artist who approached "young and vulnerable" girls could face jail after being convicted.

Adnan Ahmed, 38, approached five girls between May 2016 and November 2018 in Glasgow City Centre and Uddingston.

Anything men do to make it easier to get what we want from women will be made illegal. The entire concept of seduction is being made illegal.

The goal is to make all sex potentially rape based solely on the woman's changing mood - so women can hold that threat over our heads forever.

But there's no war on men, you're just crazy.

 

[The Catalyst]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Update/more context to the story:

Apparently, according to Krauser the charges were not serious, and the daygamers who took their site down were just scared:

Blah blah. You’re just crawling out the woodwork to concern troll. People are quite aware there are low-value retards spamming the streets. Calling the Yad Stop “dangerous” for normal men is next-level faggotry. Didn’t anyone bother to read up on the Addy case? It was a FAILED prosecution. Acquitted of all serious charges. Daygamers are such faggots that they take Fake News stories at face value, wet their pants, and take their websites down. K.

If this is true, it shows more about fake news and rabbity daygamers than anything else. Still, holding Addy in remand is sad.

I tried to find actual news on this but I couldn't, but here is his site of him trying to defend himself, with testimonials etc http://addyagame.com/

Introduction

Dating and Life Coach Adnan Ahmed aka Addy Agame was subject to a nationwide media scandal in 2019.

There were no complaints against him until the BBC Social video caused a media storm demonising Adnan. He was a victim of ambush journalism.
The BBC Social video was edited in such a way that made Adnan look like a criminal.

Adnan taught “Dating for Men”. This is a niche sub-section of the self-help industry, which makes millions of pounds every year and is all over the internet.
Adnan has been singled out and his image was demonised by the BBC Social video because of personal perspectives. Alec Salmond faces
much bigger charges but didn’t get the press Adnan did.

On Glasgow’s Argyle Street, Buchanan Street and Sauchiehall Street there are charity workers, sales people, religious reformers, reporters (doing interviews) and street acts that approach people the same way as Adnan. Some of these people only approach females (i.e. male religious reformers called Elders and certain sales men selling female products) as a strategy. What consists of threatening or abusive behaviour? All of Adnan’s approaches happened during the day on busy streets and well populated areas, there was nothing sinister or hidden about it. Is it anti-social when men do the same thing in night-clubs, under the influence of alcohol, it isn’t considered to be. Daytime dating is a much safer way to talk to females.

Some of the very few women who reported incidents seen Adnan several times. They never thought of themselves as victims of a crime until after the media scandal. Adnan re-approached some of the females because he forgot who they were. If the interaction didn’t end with a number exchange, he didn’t remember the person, this happened with his current partner also. He did not stalk anyone. Adnan would be out with clients and would demonstrate for them and would sometimes end up talking to a person he’d previously spoken to, without realising because he didn’t recognise them. Adnan has talked to many women in the last 3 years all over the world.

Glasgow is a small city, if Adnan did recognise someone (a girl he had chatted to previously) he may acknowledge them with a head nod or at most say “hi” in passing. He did not re-approach because it would feel awkward. Adnan lived at St. Georges cross in Maryhill, worked in the city centre for a time, went to college in the city centre and met friends there most days. He was bound to see the same people over and over.

 

[subterfuge]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Didn't intent to post on this forum anymore as i'm not religious, but wanted to chip in here

In terms of the addy case, I find it very strange. He was approaching 17 and 18 year olds. The age of consent in the UK is 16. SIXTEEN
We don't have age gap laws, either. (so he could have been 150 year old with no legal issues)
Yet the articles mention the ages of the girls quite a lot.
Would they mention it if Addy was 19? Would he even be in trouble?

I'm trying to work out what happened. I'm not particularly a fan of his channel or him from what i've seen (doesn't strike me as having much of a sense of humour for one thing) but from what i've seen of his infields, he's fairly capable. He has social skills and seems personable etc, and follows the daygame model quite closely.
Simply put, I can't imagine him doing anything to warrant the trouble he appears to be in! (for reference I HAVE seen some infields from guys i've met in whatsapp groups who are fairly autistic people and post their private infields in the group, who I 100% CAN imagine doing something to rightfully get themselves in trouble!)

I'm guessing teh other guys are shutting down their channels temporarily to let the dust settle?

I also note there's a program on BBC (bbc scotland?) which aires possibly tonight (?) which is all about the 'evil' PUA industry. Maybe they want to be invisible for a few weeks in any aftermath that may arise?

As a whole, most PUA forums (including this one) have either changed direction completely or simply closed (nextasf, RSD, roosh, PUAforums etc etc)

I've also noticed that the 'field reports' sections on some sites have now gone.

Guys aren't allowed to get laid or talk about it now, lol. It does feel like strange times. Not sure where it ends.

Onto the PUA industry as a whole - it feels like a double whammy. We've got this clear agenda to try to get rid of the whole thing from feminists etc.
But that''s combined with the decline that seemed to happening without that intervention!
I can't be the only one to have noticed that the faith in 'game' seems to have more or less disappeared across the board.
I belonged to loads of PUA sites and it was hard to miss. People seem to have reached a general consensus that we were kind of being fooled all along! (not helped by various PUA being exposed as scammers and infield fakers etc!)
Sure, 'game' exists (in that social skills matter and if you act autistic, you'll probably lose a girl who thought you were handsome) but it's power is very limited. It's not black magic. You can't really use some clever lines, a push-pull here, a neg there, and strong eye contact, and expect to get some girl in bed who simply doesn't think you're attractive!
Even roosh himself said something about how his experiences made him wonder whether 'game was simply a set of tools to be used on girls who don't object to your looks'.

I am gonna miss the community, though. And i'll always be an infield junky! Even if perfect game can only increase your chances with a hot girl by 2%, it's still worth it imo!

 

[Aizen]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Good. The less daygamers on the street, the better. The spawn of these forums overran otherwise nice cities, such as Prague and Kiev, basically damaging the reputation of gamers, and of men as a whole. Keep in mind that many of these guys have absolutely no standards and will approach anything that breathes. The question of "who" never enters the equation for them. Hence the thread about the guy who fucked over 1000 women in Africa. Daygamers with no standards create an artificial increase in women's perceived SMVs. This increase in SMV delusion among women is bad for men on a macro scale; 5s might think they're 8s because they get approached twice a day.

Do guys need to be aware about game (a la mating skills)? Absolutely. Should guys film their encounters with random women, make an ass of themselves and then use it to market their course? Preferably, no. I understand that business is business, and there's clearly a demand for this kind of content, but I'd say the impact of the daygame market has been negative as a whole. Hopefully the rest of these sites drop like their fellow fruit flies.

 

[wwtl]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I can't be the only one to have noticed that the faith in 'game' seems to have more or less disappeared across the board.
I belonged to loads of PUA sites and it was hard to miss. People seem to have reached a general consensus that we were kind of being fooled all along! (not helped by various PUA being exposed as scammers and infield fakers etc!)
Sure, 'game' exists (in that social skills matter and if you act autistic, you'll probably lose a girl who thought you were handsome) but it's power is very limited. It's not black magic. You can't really use some clever lines, a push-pull here, a neg there, and strong eye contact, and expect to get some girl in bed who simply doesn't think you're attractive!
Even roosh himself said something about how his experiences made him wonder whether 'game was simply a set of tools to be used on girls who don't object to your looks'.

Game works perfectly on girls who are attracted to you and it doesn't work on girls who are not. Game works on Nicole Kidman if you are Jimmy Fallon (and use it instead of him pulling out his Nintendo).

Then there are the borderline theories of "creating attraction", but from a different PoV "created" attraction was already there and only surfaced through game.

 

[griffinmill]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Basically A-Game has been done for "Breach of the Peace" which means if you do anything that could cause someone else to feel "fear or alarm" (highly subjective) then you're liable. But if approaching women and pursuing a romantic engagement with them is now a "breach of the peace" then my father is a criminal and my mother a victim.

Daygame is not a sustainable business model, and if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him. This is why we've seen so many of them hiding under rocks at the moment. It was only a matter of time before the gynocentric media went after an industry they can frame as "predatory" in 2019 when women are perma-victims with zero agency.

 

[kriskringle]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Tavistock both created & efficiently ended the Red Pill. Wellington house never slows down...

ITS THE END OF THE RED PILL AS WE KNOW IT

 

[hedonist]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

 

[Feyoder]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

Agreed 100%. I'm surprised there are people apologising for this freak. Look him up.

 

[subterfuge]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him.

lol! Good point.
Pushing 40 year old Tom going around Eastern Europe banging 17 year old virgins and filming most of it!

(However, there'll always be question marks about whether any of it was 'real' after he got caught hiring an actress for an infield in London)

 

[Captain Gh]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

I'll apologize in advance if I say anything to get you riled up... but it is what it is! Your sister is YOUR SISTER... but she's still a Woman for other Men! Not my line... so I'll give the credit where it's due! Got this from the late Patrice O'neal when he said : " I love my Mother... but she's not a Woman to me... She's my Mom! She's been somebody else's B***h before though! While it's hard to admit... it's true!" If that's not the case of not hating the Player... but hating the Game... then I don't know what is!

For any guys who truly went through the Game gauntlet... there's no way to avoid looking retarded and be the obvious "Pickup Guy" at the venue! It's only the crazy times that we live in that did this guy in (Leonard broke down why especially NOW it's all happening a few posts back)

 

[Captain Gh]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

if the media got a hold of Torero's Stealth Seduction (for example) they'd make mincemeat out of him.

lol! Good point.
Pushing 40 year old Tom going around Eastern Europe banging 17 year old virgins and filming most of it!

(However, there'll always be question marks about whether any of it was 'real' after he got caught hiring an actress for an infield in London)

Yeah that's true Torero got caught with the actress... but man oh man... Torero so much of himself to Daygame... that it's hard to despise him! I personally view Pickup like Bodybuilding where they're all cheating to a certain extend... but don't ask don't tell must prevail for the illusion to remain true!

 

[hedonist]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Idgaf about a guy chatting up a sister or ex if it’s done respectfully ... if it’s mild prank video and they give CONSENT for it to be uploaded fair play. I’m talking about videoing in secret and throwing that stuff up online.

On the other extreme I understand audio/video has saved a guys ass from prison from false accusations .... that’s a slippery slope. But going back to the original point I don’t think posting video footage from unknowing parties is right.

Even worse with the RSD types actually charging people $$ to watch this shit.

 

[Elmore]

RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Agree that Game only ever helped a man get over the line with girls who found him attractive. Beyond that it was all just getting men comfortable approaching really. I think we were all sold a bit of a pup on it in the early years, or maybe it's just that women are far wiser to it and it was only real a brief window where any of it was effective, coupled with the great entitlement explosion brought in by Tinder et al.