Game instructors are shutting down their web sites

Elmore

 
Banned
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hedonist said:
I always thought posting these videos up were bad taste.... imagine if it’s your sister/ex or whatever.

The simple pickup ones are kinda playful but some of the others are just fucked.
In certain parts of Canada these retards have ruined venues and areas and also got quite a bit of media attention. It’s one thing to say “have better game” but I’ve seen near autistic/Asperger cases completely change the feeling of a bar within an hour.

Agree 100%.

Seen ones a few years back where they'd go on dates and film / audio record them. It's a grotesque invasion of privacy and is utterly deceitful. I can let the off if they blur faces, but off top of head, most of the ones i ever saw didnt.
 

Elmore

 
Banned
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Captain Gh said:
Yeah that's true Torero got caught with the actress... but man oh man... Torero so much of himself to Daygame... that it's hard to despise him! I personally view Pickup like Bodybuilding where they're all cheating to a certain extend... but don't ask don't tell must prevail for the illusion to remain true!

Tom was the one i used to watch. Penny dropped what a sad case he must be a while back. He seems like he was a good guy, but there's no way that life he leads doesn't warp you. There's something off about the guy these days, that didnt seem the case when he first appeared. His lifestyle seems morally unhealthy as fuck, and it seems that is reflected in his use of actresses, deceit and crowing about banging 18 year olds and watching hours of porn and the like.

Fact that he went to Oxford and studied Science under Richard Dawkins is a bit of a tell tale sign there. I think at his heart he is an utter nihilist, like his college Mentor...
 

loremipsum

Kingfisher
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hedonist said:
Even worse with the RSD types actually charging people $$ to watch this shit.

One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.
 

Pinkman

 
Banned
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loremipsum said:
One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

This seems to have been common in the PUA space overall. Dating a stripper was seen as the ultimate achievement. Most likely because PUAs at the time were nerds and they thought bad girls only dated bad guys.
 

Elmore

 
Banned
RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites

loremipsum said:
One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

I suspect that was mostly marketing for the thirsty autists that made up half their audience. Strippers being famously indifferent and aloof, especially to the sort of frat-boy types that use strip bars and would be RSD fodder.

From the marketing POV they are trying to elicit "wow their game is SO FUCKING STRONG!!! They can even pull strippers!!! All i need to do is attend a few conferences, and bootcamps, and maybe i can too!!! Then all the guys in college will respect me!!!"
 

scorpion

Hummingbird
Gold Member
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Most of these "daygame instructors" are total clowns who just spam approach. Spam approaching by clueless newbies is a disaster for both the guy and the girls he's approaching. This applies doubly for spamming direct approaches. Walking up to every girl you see in the street and telling her she's sexy is not game, and women are right to consider it borderline harassment. Imagine how awful it would be if ugly, fat women were constantly approaching you in the street and telling you how handsome you are and how much they wanted to bang you? That's how women feel when they get direct approached by weirdo guys with terrible game. These idiot instructors who promote this style of game and send their awkward students out in the streets have no one but themselves to blame for this blowback. In their greed and desire for attention they slit their own throats.

Daygame has always best been employed indirectly and in limited quantities, ideally with your approaches occurring incidentally when you're already out doing stuff. A good daygame approach is so innocuous and smooth that the woman should not even recognize you're flirting with her at first. She should simply feel like she's getting a good vibe from this guy she doesn't know and subconsciously be open to meeting him again. A good daygame approach leaves the girl feeling good even if she declines to give you her contact info, because it boosts her ego to be seen as desirable by a smooth and confident guy. A bad daygame approach just makes her feel like she needs a shower.
 

ksbms

Pelican
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Vladimir Poontang said:
I've always hated the term PUA. Pick up artist. Like it's some kind of magic trick or performance. And now, for my next trick, I shall approach this girl over here! It makes a mockery of what is just a normal thing, and turns it into a big deal when it shouldn't be. Wow, look at me, I can actually talk to girls. Aren't I talented? Aren't you amazed at my magical skills? And I hate the way some of them stand around like salesmen, talking to girls in such a fake, overly confident way.

I've never heard of a gay PUA. Why don't they exist? What would people think of them if they did? Rhetorical.

Excellent point. But from sales view it is better to advertise restaurant serving Fish & Chips as "Genuinely authentic cuisine serving Fish & Chips with a modern twist", even if the Fish & Chips plate differs only by a lime than lemon juice drizzle.

At the bottom of it, it's been, speaking in evolutionary timeline, either eye-contact, inarticulate grumbles or some more or less string of mumbo-jumbo that a prehistoric caveman would utter to draw a woman's attention. It was essentially pre-linguistic as for thousands of years, there was no language as we know it...
 

bk19xsa

Robin
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Game did create attraction. Also, most PUAs used to apply approach tactics to create attraction.

There was a time, from early 2000s to around 2012, when game did make a girl, who was initially not interested in you, become attracted to you. Approaching and talking with confidence, implementing a little bit of humour, laying out keen observations and being witty would turn the girl towards you. In fact, there was an even earlier time when just approaching a girl with confidence, in spite of your very average or subpar looks, made you stand out to a girl and made her feel attracted to you. Girl's curious instincts would take over. She would value your confidence way above your looks. At that time many guys, some with great looks, just did not know how to approach or talk. You stood out because you had the balls to make a move. Most social dynamics took place in the real physical world.

During the peak 2000s game era, PUAs who were 6 would get girls who were 8s or even 9s. That's why newbies who picked game up during that era , in spite of spam approaching, actually had success. That is also what led to the huge popularity and sudden proliferation of game and PUAs.

The issue today is that the cultural dynamics have completely shifted. The laws of attractions have changed. You can be a male 8 and a girl 7 might consider you completely unattractive as she is used to attention from 1000s of males online including Chad 9s or males with very high value. Therefore, in the current era, she will just not be interested in talking to you, regardless of how good your game skills are. You can be charming, socially intelligent, a smooth talker, dressed well and extremely fit. You just won't meet her pre programmed standard.

In today's Western world, women judge sexual attraction towards a man based more on his looks. Furthermore, women use sexual attraction as one of 'the' keymarkers now for basic attraction. Their senses are daily bombarded with pictures, comments, Insta/snap stories and media shows from physically very attractive men. It is similar to how constant watching of porn shapes and defines our attraction towards females. The more we watch it, the more we get attracted to certain body types. It is plainly the rewiring of the brain. That is what happens with females too. The dating apps are purely based on photos. They have shaped the brains of females and defined attraction for them. Not to mention, because of such apps and social media, the female access to high SMV men has significantly become easier and exponentially increased.

Hence, you, being a male 8, would be competing for a female 7's attention against a plethora of 9 males who would also be Investment bankers, athletes, musicians, pilots, firefighters etc. These men will also see her on Insta/Tinder/Bumble etc. These men are also horny and even more thirstier because they think their high value should get them pussy at a drop of a hat. They also do not need nor would bother putting efforts in learning game and spam approaching when just a spam 'Hi' on Instagram will net them a 7.

Blame the current era, culture, politics and manipulation of technology. Not the PUA or Game.
 

hedonist

Kingfisher
Other Christian
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Elmore said:
loremipsum said:
One thing I found especially weird about RSD is how many of its instructors fantasized and bragged about dating strippers.
How is that a good thing? You're dating a woman that's one way from a prostitute.

I suspect that was mostly marketing for the thirsty autists that made up half their audience. Strippers being famously indifferent and aloof, especially to the sort of frat-boy types that use strip bars and would be RSD fodder.

From the marketing POV they are trying to elicit "wow their game is SO FUCKING STRONG!!! They can even pull strippers!!! All i need to do is attend a few conferences, and bootcamps, and maybe i can too!!! Then all the guys in college will respect me!!!"

There was a lot of the "stripper game" back in the day but I think that was also due to popularity of it back then culturally/movies/music etc

bk19xsa said:
Game did create attraction. Also, most PUAs used to apply approach tactics to create attraction.

There was a time, from early 2000s to around 2012, when game did make a girl, who was initially not interested in you, become attracted to you. Approaching and talking with confidence, implementing a little bit of humour, laying out keen observations and being witty would turn the girl towards you. In fact, there was an even earlier time when just approaching a girl with confidence, in spite of your very average or subpar looks, made you stand out to a girl and made her feel attracted to you. Girl's curious instincts would take over. She would value your confidence way above your looks. At that time many guys, some with great looks, just did not know how to approach or talk. You stood out because you had the balls to make a move. Most social dynamics took place in the real physical world.

During the peak 2000s game era, PUAs who were 6 would get girls who were 8s or even 9s. That's why newbies who picked game up during that era , in spite of spam approaching, actually had success. That is also what led to the huge popularity and sudden proliferation of game and PUAs.

The issue today is that the cultural dynamics have completely shifted. The laws of attractions have changed. You can be a male 8 and a girl 7 might consider you completely unattractive as she is used to attention from 1000s of males online including Chad 9s or males with very high value. Therefore, in the current era, she will just not be interested in talking to you, regardless of how good your game skills are. You can be charming, socially intelligent, a smooth talker, dressed well and extremely fit. You just won't meet her pre programmed standard.

In today's Western world, women judge sexual attraction towards a man based more on his looks. Furthermore, women use sexual attraction as one of 'the' keymarkers now for basic attraction. Their senses are daily bombarded with pictures, comments, Insta/snap stories and media shows from physically very attractive men. It is similar to how constant watching of porn shapes and defines our attraction towards females. The more we watch it, the more we get attracted to certain body types. It is plainly the rewiring of the brain. That is what happens with females too. The dating apps are purely based on photos. They have shaped the brains of females and defined attraction for them. Not to mention, because of such apps and social media, the female access to high SMV men has significantly become easier and exponentially increased.

Hence, you, being a male 8, would be competing for a female 7's attention against a plethora of 9 males who would also be Investment bankers, athletes, musicians, pilots, firefighters etc. These men will also see her on Insta/Tinder/Bumble etc. These men are also horny and even more thirstier because they think their high value should get them pussy at a drop of a hat. They also do not need nor would bother putting efforts in learning game and spam approaching when just a spam 'Hi' on Instagram will net them a 7.

Blame the current era, culture, politics and manipulation of technology. Not the PUA or Game.


Even though there was a lot of BS in the book the Game , I think that people believed some of the content so much it gave them the confidence to try.
There was some great content too and an emphasis to work on delivery/push pull and dressing up etc. People weren't glued to their phones and it was long before Tinder etc.

There was a big difference to the "just approach" RSD slop ...try that with a nerdy programmer that has been sitting behind a desk all day. But that is what you get en masse


Scorpion nailed what meeting women in the day should be all about
 

griffinmill

Pelican
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scorpion said:
Most of these "daygame instructors" are total clowns who just spam approach. Spam approaching by clueless newbies is a disaster for both the guy and the girls he's approaching. This applies doubly for spamming direct approaches. Walking up to every girl you see in the street and telling her she's sexy is not game, and women are right to consider it borderline harassment. Imagine how awful it would be if ugly, fat women were constantly approaching you in the street and telling you how handsome you are and how much they wanted to bang you?

I remember seeing one of James Tusk's coaching videos where this slovenly-dressed, out of shape black guy was under his tutelage. Instead of first changing this guy's style and fitness, he was having him marching around the streets of London opening 8s and 9s, one of whom (this smoking hot blonde) just said simply "Look, I'm not interested". Very embarrassing to watch.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
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Simple Pickup deleted all their pickup videos last month. The channel name is now Kong Pham and will be a lifestyle channel. Videos are mostly useless... he has a hard time getting to the point.



 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
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Roosh said:
Simple Pickup deleted all their pickup videos last month. The channel name is now Kong Pham and will be a lifestyle channel. Videos are mostly useless... he has a hard time getting to the point.





"My videos weren't fake... except for these ones." :dodgy:

I see that RSD Owen, SimplePickup, and pretty much everyone else who had a decent stream of revenue from PUA/Game is switching to lifestyle/self help. I don't necessarily see this is as bad. Just a sign of the times.
 
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monsquid said:
I see that RSD Owen, SimplePickup, and pretty much everyone else who had a decent stream of revenue from PUA/Game is switching to lifestyle/self help. I don't necessarily see this is as bad. Just a sign of the times.

A gambit on Tony Robbins charlatan huckster game then.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
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griffinmill said:
Posted this in another thread, but it is very relevant here.

The BBC went undercover at a Street Attraction bootcamp. Here's a clip:

BBC Daygame Doc

Street Attraction were guys I always thought were relatively mild and more professional than most other daygame companies. If they're being demonised than everyone is fair game.

I wonder if Tom Torero has been caught up in all of this since he's completely disappeared.

Over at West Indian Archie's blog, someone in the comments has posted the BBC doc, which is very short.

It reminds me of the cat calling video where the woman walked all over New York for 8 hours, didn't really get cat called, and had to redefine cat calling to make the point she wanted to make.

If this guy went under cover with a Pick Up company to expose them, he really didn't get what he was looking for judging from his documentary.

So he has to pad it out by saying how scared he was wearing a hidden camera, or using a fake name, or having to change batteries in the rest room. And then he has to change the subject to the guy who got arrested (as mentioned early in this thread) who he didn't really have any dealings with.

I just don't see that he found them guilty of doing anything really wrong or he would have shown it in the documentary.

Instead, he tries to drum up feelings of fear and disgust in the viewer based on the fear he felt going undercover.

I am sure the documentary will still have its intended effect on viewers who are looking for straight male boogey men. It's just that it comes across as a very lame attempt at a smear if you look at the actual evidence he presents.

 

antman333

Sparrow
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Rsd took pretty much all of their pua videos down the other day. Spoke to a buddy in the company he told me it's temporary, they're trying to dodge the current news trend. We'll see what happens
 

hedonist

Kingfisher
Other Christian
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antman333 said:
Rsd took pretty much all of their pua videos down the other day. Spoke to a buddy in the company he told me it's temporary, they're trying to dodge the current news trend. We'll see what happens

lol so they run and hide again....

You'd think with instructors who apparently have slept with 100-900 women each they would have at least a few women coming to their defense when the shit hits the fan....
 
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