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<blockquote data-quote="Seeker79" data-source="post: 1279579" data-attributes="member: 7418">Well put. Looking back, the early alt.seduction community guys almost seem innocent and naive. Yeah there was a bit of ass hattery but it was honestly a community of men trying to help each other. There was a real desire to teach and improve men's lives. In that sense it was a true pioneering group trying to do meaningful self help. Then the slow monetization of Game began. I would put a lot of blame on Neil Strauss. Neil used the community partly as a gimmick to sell his book. But it brought big attention from mainstream audiences. Along with that attention came opportunity for profit. Thus the mushroom growth of the business side of game. RSD grew big during this time.But of course game was influenced as much by changes in the world at large. Rise of social media, IG, YouTube, FB, and Snap meant that attention spans were shorter and thresholds for hedonism were higher in the clown world. Online dating nullified night game for PUA wannabes and regular Joes alike. Shock culture became big. As did click bait style advertising. RSD evolved alongside with it. In response PC culture also ratcheted up. It became fashionable to virtue signal and be a victim.In all of this fog game has changed in terms of social acceptance and norms. But social and sexual dynamics remain the same at heart. The problem is the contradictions of an at once &quot;liberal&quot; culture that encourages &quot;you go grrlll, yasss queen slay&quot; attitudes whilst telling women to be strong and powerful and be wary of any glance from men as an attack. I can't imagine how confusing this must be to hormone driven young men and women. That's why you see the same girls that protest the patriarchy during the day dress up like sluts and go to frat parties at night.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Seeker79, post: 1279579, member: 7418"] Well put. Looking back, the early alt.seduction community guys almost seem innocent and naive. Yeah there was a bit of ass hattery but it was honestly a community of men trying to help each other. There was a real desire to teach and improve men's lives. In that sense it was a true pioneering group trying to do meaningful self help. Then the slow monetization of Game began. I would put a lot of blame on Neil Strauss. Neil used the community partly as a gimmick to sell his book. But it brought big attention from mainstream audiences. Along with that attention came opportunity for profit. Thus the mushroom growth of the business side of game. RSD grew big during this time. But of course game was influenced as much by changes in the world at large. Rise of social media, IG, YouTube, FB, and Snap meant that attention spans were shorter and thresholds for hedonism were higher in the clown world. Online dating nullified night game for PUA wannabes and regular Joes alike. Shock culture became big. As did click bait style advertising. RSD evolved alongside with it. In response PC culture also ratcheted up. It became fashionable to virtue signal and be a victim. In all of this fog game has changed in terms of social acceptance and norms. But social and sexual dynamics remain the same at heart. The problem is the contradictions of an at once "liberal" culture that encourages "you go grrlll, yasss queen slay" attitudes whilst telling women to be strong and powerful and be wary of any glance from men as an attack. I can't imagine how confusing this must be to hormone driven young men and women. That's why you see the same girls that protest the patriarchy during the day dress up like sluts and go to frat parties at night. [/QUOTE]

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