I thought some of you guys might enjoy this treatise "On Women" (original "Über die Frauen") by Schopenhauer.
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/onwomen.html
German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
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Oh man, I love this essay. Schopenhauer was one of the true 19th greats. Some hightlights:
Keep in mind, this is a man arguing against marriage back when marriage had strict divorce rules, no alimony, and strict child custody to the man in 90% of divorces.
OMG MISOGYNY... (but who cares about the truth, right?)
Never has there been more eloquent prose written on woman's ability to lie.
A beautiful connection between the evolution of woman's psychology and why marriage's are frequently shitty relationships.
For those who don't know, Schopenhauer was a player of his time; dated different women and abhorred marriage. He died a bachelor. He saw marriage as a scam back then, and it's only gotten worse for men since then... remind me, why do guys get married still?
His rhetorical humor was directed at how marriages were organized back in the 19th century; can you imagine how he would react to our times?
Today marriage is more like "to forfeit one's rights and accept all duties".
You can tell that Schopenhauer is an alpha male from this post; he assumes that polygamy would improve the happiness of both the female and male; but as today's social experiment reveals, deregulation of monogamy means all the fun for alphas, and nothing but pain for betas.
Keep in mind, this is a man arguing against marriage back when marriage had strict divorce rules, no alimony, and strict child custody to the man in 90% of divorces.
OMG MISOGYNY... (but who cares about the truth, right?)
Never has there been more eloquent prose written on woman's ability to lie.
A beautiful connection between the evolution of woman's psychology and why marriage's are frequently shitty relationships.
For those who don't know, Schopenhauer was a player of his time; dated different women and abhorred marriage. He died a bachelor. He saw marriage as a scam back then, and it's only gotten worse for men since then... remind me, why do guys get married still?
His rhetorical humor was directed at how marriages were organized back in the 19th century; can you imagine how he would react to our times?
Today marriage is more like "to forfeit one's rights and accept all duties".
You can tell that Schopenhauer is an alpha male from this post; he assumes that polygamy would improve the happiness of both the female and male; but as today's social experiment reveals, deregulation of monogamy means all the fun for alphas, and nothing but pain for betas.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
Everyone on this forum should read this. Or, if you prefer audiobooks:
Everyone on this forum should read this. Or, if you prefer audiobooks:
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
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His writings reflect who he was as a person; very intelligent, but rather ugly and lacking a feminine side.
What he says is true, but you can't think like that if you want to connect with a woman.
There are two sides to every man, the intellectual and ruthless side he must use to make a living, and the feminine caring side he must use with women and children he loves.
You can't mix the two; you need to compartmentalize your mind; be both a killer and a tender lover in the same body. Schopenhauer didn't have that other part, or neglected it.
We can't analyze women like they're our enemy because they aren't, they are like children and must be loved.
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His writings reflect who he was as a person; very intelligent, but rather ugly and lacking a feminine side.
What he says is true, but you can't think like that if you want to connect with a woman.
There are two sides to every man, the intellectual and ruthless side he must use to make a living, and the feminine caring side he must use with women and children he loves.
You can't mix the two; you need to compartmentalize your mind; be both a killer and a tender lover in the same body. Schopenhauer didn't have that other part, or neglected it.
We can't analyze women like they're our enemy because they aren't, they are like children and must be loved.
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RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
Schopenhauer doesn't analyze women like they are our enemies. If you read/listen to the essay, he describes women as eternal children to be loved but not entirely respected, which seems to be the consensus around here.
Flux said:
Schopenhauer doesn't analyze women like they are our enemies. If you read/listen to the essay, he describes women as eternal children to be loved but not entirely respected, which seems to be the consensus around here.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
It works just fine, I get in women's heads, and mix it up. Quite enjoy women's company and playing with them, it comes naturally.
However I understand that I'm not ready to have a permanent relationship; being young that's natural. Fine things take time to mature indeed.
Caduceus said:Flux said:
Let me know how that works out for you.
It works just fine, I get in women's heads, and mix it up. Quite enjoy women's company and playing with them, it comes naturally.
However I understand that I'm not ready to have a permanent relationship; being young that's natural. Fine things take time to mature indeed.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
>>What he says is true, but you can't think like that if you want to connect with a woman.
It has elements of truth, not the whole truth. You can also find plenty of MGTOW and Incel sites which say unflattering things about women which are partly or wholely true. Guys who spend a lot of time reading MGTOW and Incel forums, or threads on this forum which regurgitate MGTOW/incel talking points, end up becoming incompetent with women. So Flux definitely has a point: better to stay away from stuff like Schopenhauer on Women, which is amusing to read but which poisons your mind and diminishes your ability to get results.
>>What he says is true, but you can't think like that if you want to connect with a woman.
It has elements of truth, not the whole truth. You can also find plenty of MGTOW and Incel sites which say unflattering things about women which are partly or wholely true. Guys who spend a lot of time reading MGTOW and Incel forums, or threads on this forum which regurgitate MGTOW/incel talking points, end up becoming incompetent with women. So Flux definitely has a point: better to stay away from stuff like Schopenhauer on Women, which is amusing to read but which poisons your mind and diminishes your ability to get results.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
A lot of the images we see now of Schopenhauer are of him as a grizzled, old man - what we think of us as the prototypical philosopher. The descriptions of what he looked like as a young man described him as a thick-necked, masculine looking guy. Apparently he was quite the womanizer as a younger guy as well. A selection of writings from his final book were gathered in a collection released by Penguin Classics that was titled "Essays and Aphorisms" (which also features parts of the "On Women" essay) talks about his experiences with women in the editor's introduction:
"...like many very intellectual men he had a strong sensual side to his nature, and his sexual interest was very strong. He had many erotic affairs, none of them lasting: indeed, 'affairs' is probably the wrong word, since it implies attachments of longer duration than most of Schopenhauer's..."
A lot of the images we see now of Schopenhauer are of him as a grizzled, old man - what we think of us as the prototypical philosopher. The descriptions of what he looked like as a young man described him as a thick-necked, masculine looking guy. Apparently he was quite the womanizer as a younger guy as well. A selection of writings from his final book were gathered in a collection released by Penguin Classics that was titled "Essays and Aphorisms" (which also features parts of the "On Women" essay) talks about his experiences with women in the editor's introduction:
"...like many very intellectual men he had a strong sensual side to his nature, and his sexual interest was very strong. He had many erotic affairs, none of them lasting: indeed, 'affairs' is probably the wrong word, since it implies attachments of longer duration than most of Schopenhauer's..."
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
When I was younger I found Schopenhauer bitter and angry, I assumed he didn't get laid much or something.
I think the truth is he came to these conclusions by sleeping with a great many women, and he's not bitter he's just not disillusioned. Aka redpilled.
As for the aspiring players above. You don't need cognitive dissonance to enjoy women's company or have LTRs and read Schopenhauer.
1. Dont be weak.
2. Truth doesn't poison you it sets you free
When I was younger I found Schopenhauer bitter and angry, I assumed he didn't get laid much or something.
I think the truth is he came to these conclusions by sleeping with a great many women, and he's not bitter he's just not disillusioned. Aka redpilled.
As for the aspiring players above. You don't need cognitive dissonance to enjoy women's company or have LTRs and read Schopenhauer.
1. Dont be weak.
2. Truth doesn't poison you it sets you free
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
I've learned to let my nature deal with women, and leave my logic out of it. Logic is not how you manage a woman, you need to feel the emotions she's feeling to understand what's she's going through, and act accordingly. If you know who you are, your purpose in the world, and know your worth: she can't hurt you, no matter what you make yourself feel.
Dealing with women is a very animalistic process, because they are animalistic in their 'reasonings'. Logic can help you understand situations after they've happened, but it won't help you in the moment.
Of course logic does help when you tell her things to throw her off balance, confuse her etc.
I love to tell them my ideas and explain complex things to them, while they sit there completely baffled. You play them with logic tailored so they can get some of it, while when they try to play you with their emotions, you shut your logic off, and play by their rules.
You then dominate a woman completely in every sense.
I've learned to let my nature deal with women, and leave my logic out of it. Logic is not how you manage a woman, you need to feel the emotions she's feeling to understand what's she's going through, and act accordingly. If you know who you are, your purpose in the world, and know your worth: she can't hurt you, no matter what you make yourself feel.
Dealing with women is a very animalistic process, because they are animalistic in their 'reasonings'. Logic can help you understand situations after they've happened, but it won't help you in the moment.
Of course logic does help when you tell her things to throw her off balance, confuse her etc.
I love to tell them my ideas and explain complex things to them, while they sit there completely baffled. You play them with logic tailored so they can get some of it, while when they try to play you with their emotions, you shut your logic off, and play by their rules.
You then dominate a woman completely in every sense.
Caduceus
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RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
The young Schopenhauer in his PUA years :
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Wutang said:
The young Schopenhauer in his PUA years :
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RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
@flux
Logic is your nature, you're a man. If you let your emotions guide you completely thats more feminine than masculine, it's also dangerous. For you and the people around you, especially if you gain status and are looked to for leadership.
I disagree with your methods of domination. There is something to be said about beating women at their own game but; in my opinion you should be setting up structure for them to exist in that is both fulfilling and challening, rewarding them when they succeed and punishing them when they fail (if it's a result or insubordination, negligence, or stubbornness/non-compliance). Their motivation to follow this structure at least initially should be the amount of value you bring in whatever form it may be - I use bomb dick, emotional competence, and some provider traits like seeing a need and filling it ( I bought my slave contacts the other day, she lit up like a christmas tree ooing and awwing about all the things she could now see, it made me happy and was relatively inexpensive but it did improve her quality of life) but admittedly I dont have much money so I try to find other ways to be valuable. The power in the correct structure is it eventually becomes valuable in itself, our whole brains are essentially wired up to accept a reward system after all, women are even more susceptible. Also something to be said about breaking monotony because complacency is a frame/relationship killer.
After you internalize a lot of this logic it becomes "nature".
@flux
Logic is your nature, you're a man. If you let your emotions guide you completely thats more feminine than masculine, it's also dangerous. For you and the people around you, especially if you gain status and are looked to for leadership.
I disagree with your methods of domination. There is something to be said about beating women at their own game but; in my opinion you should be setting up structure for them to exist in that is both fulfilling and challening, rewarding them when they succeed and punishing them when they fail (if it's a result or insubordination, negligence, or stubbornness/non-compliance). Their motivation to follow this structure at least initially should be the amount of value you bring in whatever form it may be - I use bomb dick, emotional competence, and some provider traits like seeing a need and filling it ( I bought my slave contacts the other day, she lit up like a christmas tree ooing and awwing about all the things she could now see, it made me happy and was relatively inexpensive but it did improve her quality of life) but admittedly I dont have much money so I try to find other ways to be valuable. The power in the correct structure is it eventually becomes valuable in itself, our whole brains are essentially wired up to accept a reward system after all, women are even more susceptible. Also something to be said about breaking monotony because complacency is a frame/relationship killer.
After you internalize a lot of this logic it becomes "nature".
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
The problem with Schopenhauer is that he was a nihilist, who denied life. It took Nietzsche to take his philosophy a step further and to affirm life.
If Schopenhauer was the man who said that the suffering of the mouse being eaten by the snake is greater than the pleasure of the snake it took Nietzsche to stand up and say it is right that it be so.
Schopenhauer focuses on the suffering, he was a Pessimist. He could not move beyond Buddhism. Nietzsche did. He is also far more interesting on women.
The problem with Schopenhauer is that he was a nihilist, who denied life. It took Nietzsche to take his philosophy a step further and to affirm life.
If Schopenhauer was the man who said that the suffering of the mouse being eaten by the snake is greater than the pleasure of the snake it took Nietzsche to stand up and say it is right that it be so.
Schopenhauer focuses on the suffering, he was a Pessimist. He could not move beyond Buddhism. Nietzsche did. He is also far more interesting on women.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
@Jefferson Nietzsche got it right on the creative will to power, not as smart as Schopenhauer, but more creative and ambitious.
@Eugenics
It's no fun if you don't take her on a ride; don't be afraid to lose her, make her feel, and she'll do anything for you.
@Jefferson Nietzsche got it right on the creative will to power, not as smart as Schopenhauer, but more creative and ambitious.
@Eugenics
It's no fun if you don't take her on a ride; don't be afraid to lose her, make her feel, and she'll do anything for you.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
That's game 101, not exactly what I was talking about. Its a pre-requisite to retaining any girl for any stretch of time. You spoke of domination I thought you were maybe into master/slave dynamica or into cashing in your social capital for currency or favors from women.
That's game 101, not exactly what I was talking about. Its a pre-requisite to retaining any girl for any stretch of time. You spoke of domination I thought you were maybe into master/slave dynamica or into cashing in your social capital for currency or favors from women.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
Well, yes. My point is to be more natural about it and try to enjoy yourself, rather than following rules and being strict as you describe it. Your nature is smarter than you think, you don't need to overthink everything.
Let yourself go a little more, be a little more loose with your power. I don't know what your margins are, but I like to take risks to get to full psychological domination, calculated to a degree of course. Normally the girls that are into being slaves are not intelligent and have no social power themselves. I like to play cat and mouse with intelligent women that have status. Of course a woman's status is in her beauty, but being good looking myself, I'm not intimidated by the looks of any woman.
I'm certainly not perfect, I'm trying to beat a sex addiction right now to get full control of my urges. It's crazy that when you stop having sex, you have so much creativity--I've been figuring a lot of things about the world lately.
Well, yes. My point is to be more natural about it and try to enjoy yourself, rather than following rules and being strict as you describe it. Your nature is smarter than you think, you don't need to overthink everything.
Let yourself go a little more, be a little more loose with your power. I don't know what your margins are, but I like to take risks to get to full psychological domination, calculated to a degree of course. Normally the girls that are into being slaves are not intelligent and have no social power themselves. I like to play cat and mouse with intelligent women that have status. Of course a woman's status is in her beauty, but being good looking myself, I'm not intimidated by the looks of any woman.
I'm certainly not perfect, I'm trying to beat a sex addiction right now to get full control of my urges. It's crazy that when you stop having sex, you have so much creativity--I've been figuring a lot of things about the world lately.
RE: German 19th century philosopher A. Schopenhauer "On Women"
I love to read Schopenhauer, he is very good. However, he is nowhere near as creative or original as Nietzsche.
Nietzsche was appointed one of the youngest professors in history, in the German language world, for a reason. He was a bona fide genius.
Nietzsche goes deeper and more fearlessly than Schopenhauer.
Both are great of course.
I love to read Schopenhauer, he is very good. However, he is nowhere near as creative or original as Nietzsche.
Nietzsche was appointed one of the youngest professors in history, in the German language world, for a reason. He was a bona fide genius.
Nietzsche goes deeper and more fearlessly than Schopenhauer.
Both are great of course.