Germany thread

I hear this a lot but Germany is in a far better position than Americans or Brits demographically and financially (at least regarding government debt) speaking. Germans have their own problems - prostitution and abortion are big ones, but they can repent and still be Germany. Even if America repented today, America is only about 30 or 40 percent identifiably white American among those under 30, down from 80-90 percent just 65+ years ago. Compare to Germany:

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In 60 years, “America” will likely just exist in Appalachia and a few other “Orania” type city states.
No offense but that chart has absolutely no bearing on reality, and i say reality as from me, and all of the Germans I know perspectives and experiences. Literally travel to any city, large town, and you will see an entirely different story. Maybe you'll be lucky and find a small village somewhere in East Germany that's different but certainly in all of west Germany that Pie chart is utterly dillusional
 
The solution to this, for those who care, is to marry a Germanic girl and have as many children with her as possible, raise the children speaking both German and English and baptized into either the Catholic (with the teachings prior to the Second Vatican Council) or Orthodox Church, and teach them the history that has been repressed by those who have been manipulated by the jews. So in an inverse situation of the jews under the inquisition, the Christian and historical truths must go underground to breed and then resurface in a generation or two when the numbers are back up when it will be able to make a difference. Of course a million things can go wrong with this plan, but outside of a questionable war of simply killing all the invaders, which is not a Germanic expression whereas expulsion is, the best thing to do is to teach a code of silence to your family if you are in a repressed state. There is nowhere for whites to run where the jew hunters won't plan for their extermination. Unlike the countries of the past who just saw fit to kick the proverbial can of jewish problems down the road to the next country, the jews when in control of nations exterminate their perceived enemies, as we see in Palestine. This is why I believe that the Arabs are the ones who owe it to the European to assist in his survival, in a similar fashion to when the Germans harbored many Arab leaders in the 1930s and early 40s whose own lands were unruly and chaotic, namely the Grand Mufti. This is something the lower-rung of Arabic demographics will not comprehend nor acquiesce to, but the ones who have kept jewry out of dominating their lands know the right history and understand this is essential. The Turks and Arabs who see Europe as a money pit and sexual slave-girl don't understand that if they assist the jew in the destruction of Europe that they are next. This point must be driven across to these people, and they must find the resolution to reconquer their own lands like Idi Amin and Gaddafi did and stop living off the teat of a dying cow.

The jews would never allow an anti-jew caliphate to form in Europe, they will be steering the masses of these Mohammedans like lemmings off a cliff of their own design, just look at how effective they were with that ISIS group, it never attacked Israel once but carried out Bolshevik-inspired tortures on many who fell prey to them. Yes the Muslims must leave Europe, but outside of a few eastern countries, who has the force to make this happen in France, Spain, Italy, Germany, and Britain? The Greeks are barely holding their own, and Poland is being weakened culturally so it too falls for this trap. The solution is for the Arabs to want to return home and work with the European. This can happen if the higher intelligence of both races works together.
I truly love your plan. Sincerely. But as I can tell you unfortunately from personal experience, good luck finding a German woman who will have lots of kids. They are locked in a death cult. I get emotional thinking about because it's so sad and you see the evil brainwashing first hand, but it's real. That said there's always exceptions, and again I like the way you think
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
There’s a ton of German upper class and professional emigration. From what I hear the big destination is the Emirates.

We’re creating an odd situation where Germany is comprised poor middle easterners and poor Germans, while Emirates is comprised of rich Middle Easterners and rich Germans
There is an aspect to this which may not be apparent on the surface - it is not just that the streets become a bit more unsafe, the schools become less like somewhere Germans want to sent their kids.

To pay for all the imports, the tax system becomes more predatory. It's not just the income tax rates, but the many rules and other kinds of taxes. It's a pipe with two ends, flows in one end and out the other, Umverteilung, redistribution, but not just to Germans but to "refugees".

Austria and Switzerland already offer friendlier taxes in some cases and then there's the more extreme low tax places like Dubai.
But the blow-up of the pipeline seems to indicate they see Germany as a threat that needs to be pacified.

I think the Jews might see the nationalist tendencies in many European countries as a threat. Anyhow I believe the policy is that the EU should be weakened.

The EU realistically has been a threat as it outpowered the US economy in 2007, this threat has been killed in the last 15 years. In this period we see the rise of the "green"politics, the destruction of heavy industry and energy infrastructure. It could be age old power politics. You got to keep them small.
My impression is that Germany, or the former Prussia / Bavaria etc was seen as a threat from even before WWI by the "Anglo-zionists".

After my first period of time there it was already well apparent that there was something very special in the German culture for productivity and efficiency, which would easily outdo any other European culture on that measure.

That pipeline thing is a very sorry manoevre.
 

Raskolnikov

Woodpecker
Orthodox
There is an aspect to this which may not be apparent on the surface - it is not just that the streets become a bit more unsafe, the schools become less like somewhere Germans want to sent their kids.

To pay for all the imports, the tax system becomes more predatory. It's not just the income tax rates, but the many rules and other kinds of taxes. It's a pipe with two ends, flows in one end and out the other, Umverteilung, redistribution, but not just to Germans but to "refugees".

Austria and Switzerland already offer friendlier taxes in some cases and then there's the more extreme low tax places like Dubai.

My impression is that Germany, or the former Prussia / Bavaria etc was seen as a threat from even before WWI by the "Anglo-zionists".

After my first period of time there it was already well apparent that there was something very special in the German culture for productivity and efficiency, which would easily outdo any other European culture on that measure.

That pipeline thing is a very sorry manoevre.
Forgive me, this turned into a tangent but I felt like I had to get it out.

There is a creeping decline in just about every layer of our infrastructure. Service in many places is just getting a tiny bit worse, the inner cities become a bit more uncomfortable and dangerous, and social institutions gradually stop performing their functions. One of them is the law. Many people have the problem that they view politics as a matter of mere engineering, as if things will work correctly if we just make the right laws and regulations.
The problem is that there is a clear issue of human capital involved in politics and social institutions. Germany has always had a comparatively dense system of rules and regulations, but because there was a human substrate of intelligent and honest people, so the system worked. That isn't to say that it couldn't have been managed better one way or another, but it had naturally grown out of a German sentiment of the importance of justice and fairness in terms of how rules are applied.
Personally, I believe this has been the root of the strength of the German people once you do away with mere IQ. German efficiency and productivity aren't necessarily caused by a German desire for work, in fact, people used to comment on the fact that Germans in the past had an easy time keeping up with Japanese and Chinese despite much fewer working hours, with Germans loving vacation, free time activities and day drinking. It's rooted in a principle of commitment to the common cause. Medieval European heroism is founded on the "pathetisch-erhaben"(pathetic-sublime) as Schiller called it, which basically means that you commit to the values and the good of the group regardless of immediate personal outcomes ("Pflichterfüllung"), fueled by the Christian trust in Godly rewards for selfless action. "Ritterlichkeit" (chivalry) follows from it, too.

Promoting conscientiousness while allowing for creativity, it's something that works wonders for a nation in terms of productivity and really any kind of success, making it seem almost effortless if enough people buy into it, but it collapses and causes despondency when it gets exploited beyond a certain threshold. That is the state of mind that has been fostered in Germans throughout the 20th century: Despondency. You work hard, you try to follow the rules you have been taught are correct, you try to be charitable, and then you get punished for it as if it was deserving of hatred.
A pathetic-sublime mindset can only really be restored by faith, ever, because it's the only thing that will lift an individual out of that despondency without a need for material rewards. Not to go off on too much of a tangent right here, but I think that is why God allowed for the Germans to be punished for rebelling against the NWO in WWII (outside of turning innocent souls into soap and furniture, of course). That they proudly bought into the notion of a pathetic-sublime without God, or in their mind even transcending God, which would be impossible.
Right now the Germans are in a phase of humiliation, where none of their once outstanding qualities can really benefit them in any material way. They aren't gone though. Whenever you see Germans leaving Germany, many of them start building businesses, restore communities in 3rd world countries, become top contributors to society abroad, teach, construct and so on. Their great qualities are still there, they are just hidden because Germany right now is being governed by lies and narcissism and degeneracy, which makes any notion of a pathetic-sublime, high trust society impossible. But I wouldn't put it past the German people to come back to that quicker than anyone of us might think, if only enough of them publicly repent.
As bad as the political situation in Germany is right now, if you look at the dissident movement, in which I have spent some time at this point, you see a spirit of commitment to fairness and brotherliness already re-emerging, and I think the repression helps keeping it honest and self-reflective.
The fact that the attack on Nord Stream 2 is going to destroy a lot of material wealth in the medium term will remove one of the biggest hurdles to authentic introspection among the Germans, which is decadence. None of the political catastrophes of the pat 60 years would have been possible if it hadn't been for the absurd decadence Germans could allow themselves to fall into while running on the fumes of their past values. Suffering is to come come for sure, but it will be a gift from God for the moral improvement of the nation. I don't think Germans will stop existing (although the mere number of ethnic Germans is at an historic low), because the basis for their identity is overall too strong to be exterminated. And they are a very resilient people.
Nobody can predict the future exactly, because it depends on the free will and the decisions of the people, but IF enough Germans find their way back to God, Germany can and will be restored, possibly better than before, since the Germans have had a strained relationship with religious adherence since the middle ages. No need for big fat backpills, those are against the Christian faith anyway.
 
Forgive me, this turned into a tangent but I felt like I had to get it out.

There is a creeping decline in just about every layer of our infrastructure. Service in many places is just getting a tiny bit worse, the inner cities become a bit more uncomfortable and dangerous, and social institutions gradually stop performing their functions. One of them is the law. Many people have the problem that they view politics as a matter of mere engineering, as if things will work correctly if we just make the right laws and regulations.
The problem is that there is a clear issue of human capital involved in politics and social institutions. Germany has always had a comparatively dense system of rules and regulations, but because there was a human substrate of intelligent and honest people, so the system worked. That isn't to say that it couldn't have been managed better one way or another, but it had naturally grown out of a German sentiment of the importance of justice and fairness in terms of how rules are applied.
Personally, I believe this has been the root of the strength of the German people once you do away with mere IQ. German efficiency and productivity aren't necessarily caused by a German desire for work, in fact, people used to comment on the fact that Germans in the past had an easy time keeping up with Japanese and Chinese despite much fewer working hours, with Germans loving vacation, free time activities and day drinking. It's rooted in a principle of commitment to the common cause. Medieval European heroism is founded on the "pathetisch-erhaben"(pathetic-sublime) as Schiller called it, which basically means that you commit to the values and the good of the group regardless of immediate personal outcomes ("Pflichterfüllung"), fueled by the Christian trust in Godly rewards for selfless action. "Ritterlichkeit" (chivalry) follows from it, too.

Promoting conscientiousness while allowing for creativity, it's something that works wonders for a nation in terms of productivity and really any kind of success, making it seem almost effortless if enough people buy into it, but it collapses and causes despondency when it gets exploited beyond a certain threshold. That is the state of mind that has been fostered in Germans throughout the 20th century: Despondency. You work hard, you try to follow the rules you have been taught are correct, you try to be charitable, and then you get punished for it as if it was deserving of hatred.
A pathetic-sublime mindset can only really be restored by faith, ever, because it's the only thing that will lift an individual out of that despondency without a need for material rewards. Not to go off on too much of a tangent right here, but I think that is why God allowed for the Germans to be punished for rebelling against the NWO in WWII (outside of turning innocent souls into soap and furniture, of course). That they proudly bought into the notion of a pathetic-sublime without God, or in their mind even transcending God, which would be impossible.
Right now the Germans are in a phase of humiliation, where none of their once outstanding qualities can really benefit them in any material way. They aren't gone though. Whenever you see Germans leaving Germany, many of them start building businesses, restore communities in 3rd world countries, become top contributors to society abroad, teach, construct and so on. Their great qualities are still there, they are just hidden because Germany right now is being governed by lies and narcissism and degeneracy, which makes any notion of a pathetic-sublime, high trust society impossible. But I wouldn't put it past the German people to come back to that quicker than anyone of us might think, if only enough of them publicly repent.
As bad as the political situation in Germany is right now, if you look at the dissident movement, in which I have spent some time at this point, you see a spirit of commitment to fairness and brotherliness already re-emerging, and I think the repression helps keeping it honest and self-reflective.
The fact that the attack on Nord Stream 2 is going to destroy a lot of material wealth in the medium term will remove one of the biggest hurdles to authentic introspection among the Germans, which is decadence. None of the political catastrophes of the pat 60 years would have been possible if it hadn't been for the absurd decadence Germans could allow themselves to fall into while running on the fumes of their past values. Suffering is to come come for sure, but it will be a gift from God for the moral improvement of the nation. I don't think Germans will stop existing (although the mere number of ethnic Germans is at an historic low), because the basis for their identity is overall too strong to be exterminated. And they are a very resilient people.
Nobody can predict the future exactly, because it depends on the free will and the decisions of the people, but IF enough Germans find their way back to God, Germany can and will be restored, possibly better than before, since the Germans have had a strained relationship with religious adherence since the middle ages. No need for big fat backpills, those are against the Christian faith anyway.
Incrediy well written and outstanding points. Thank you.
 

Bird

Ostrich
Catholic
Maybe you'll be lucky and find a small village somewhere in East Germany that's different

The calm in the East German provinces could soon come to an end.
There are thoughts of occupying East Germany, saying that the withdrawal of Russian troops after the fall of the Wall was a mistake, in view of the fact that Germany is (still) under American occupation.


Chechen leader Kadyrov wants to occupy eastern Germany

Ramzan Kadyrov is the president of Chechnya. The controversial politician is considered a loyal Putin henchman and is known for his hard line. Now he has called for the conquest of the former GDR.

Only recently, Russian President Putin had voiced that the Federal Republic of Germany was not sovereign. In doing so, he criticized the fact that U.S. occupation soldiers have been stationed in Germany since World War II. Now Putin loyalist Kadyrov calls the withdrawal of Russian occupation troops a mistake.

Kadyrov: "Punish traitor Germany!"

On February 13, Kadyrov spoke on Russian television. On the program "60 Minutes," he called for the reoccupation of the former GDR by Russian soldiers. Literally, he said:
"Gorbachev or whoever withdrew our troops from there. They (ed. Germany) should have been punished as traitors so that they understand their place. We should go back, it is our territory. It was a flawed decision by our past government, it should be changed. We should go in there slowly so that we can control it at any time." Kadyrov's statements come in response to Germany's controversial arms deliveries to Ukraine. In 1994, the last Soviet troops withdrew from the former GDR. For Kadyrov, apparently a mistake.

Putin's controversial "bloodhound"

Kadyrov, a Muslim, is the president of the autonomous republic of Chechnya. This is part of the Russian Federation, but has far-reaching powers. Because of the Kremlin's numerous concessions to Kadyrov, the latter is considered extremely loyal to Moscow. Only in October was he promoted to colonel general in the Russian military. In effect, he was given the second-highest rank.
The politician is considered an eccentric. Western system media like to refer to the authoritarian Kadyrov as "Putin's bloodhound" or an "extremist. He refers to himself as "Putin's foot soldier." His re-election in September 2021 is also controversial. At the time, Kadyrov had received 99.6% of the votes cast.

Hard line in country and war

Kadyrov is known for his hard line not only within Chechnya, but also in the war against Ukraine. On several occasions, he had criticized the Russian military for its restraint. He himself heads the Kadyrovtsy division. This Chechen special regiment is part of the Russian army. According to military experts, the Kadyrovtsy are considered particularly brutal.

The unit has repeatedly been involved in internal fighting in the Russian army. The reason was the multi-ethnic character of the army. For example, in May 2022 there was an exchange of fire between the Chechen unit and members of the Mongolian-origin Buryats. Several soldiers were killed in the process.

Russia's imperialists want war with Western Europe


Kadyrov is not alone in his demand to reoccupy eastern Germany. The prominent Russian ideologue Alexander Dugin had also repeatedly called for the conquest of all of Europe. As recently as May 2022, there was talk - also on the program "60 Minutes" - of a possible nuclear war. In it, a graphic was presented to show how long it would take Russian intercontinental missiles to reach London, Paris and Berlin.
 

DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
in view of the fact that Germany is (still) under American occupation.
Is this discussed in Germany? Do people recognize this as a problem, or is this one of those unspoken rules where if you speak up against it you cannot succeed in elected office, or do people just view it as free defense?

Regarding the rest of your post, it is pretty crazy that Germany has basically no defense against Russia, especially after giving so much away. Their only defense against Russia is Poland and Ukraine, plus NATO, which might not be much of a help in a world war situation as America would be preoccupied with China.
 

Bird

Ostrich
Catholic
Is this discussed in Germany? Do people recognize this as a problem, or is this one of those unspoken rules where if you speak up against it you cannot succeed in elected office, or do people just view it as free defense?

It is quite thematized in some free media, but the 2+4 treaty is mentioned in the big media as a treaty for reunification. A real reunification would have been if all 4 occupying powers had left Germany after the fall of the Wall, instead only Russia withdrew its troops.

What people think about it, I can't say much about that.
In politics, to my knowledge, only the AfD has made this an issue once, while it is not an issue with the bloc parties. As far as I know, no party has ever touched this issue on election campaign posters.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
At this point I'm wondering whether Germany even exists anymore. Quarter of the population foreign born, big cities like Frankfurt 50-70% youth migrant background, just in a complete haze and insecurity still from WWII, used as geostrategic entity by the Jewish/Western powers towards mainly the East, allegedly more than 1 million Germans visiting prostitutes daily, everyone disliking themselves, birthrate of 1.5, I mean what's left? I love Germany and have partly German descent, and it's really a sad state of affairs (even though whole Western-EU is a complete mess of course).
 

ivalyosha

Robin
Orthodox
At this point I'm wondering whether Germany even exists anymore. Quarter of the population foreign born, big cities like Frankfurt 50-70% youth migrant background, just in a complete haze and insecurity still from WWII, used as geostrategic entity by the Jewish/Western powers towards mainly the East, allegedly more than 1 million Germans visiting prostitutes daily, everyone disliking themselves, birthrate of 1.5, I mean what's left? I love Germany and have partly German descent, and it's really a sad state of affairs (even though whole Western-EU is a complete mess of course).
Germany has become like the US and UK. Instead of a nation of people, these countries are economic zones only. Germany is even worse off because they have no self confidence anymore and must take orders from their Anglo economic zone overlords.
 

Raskolnikov

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I suspect the Eastern European leaders are wetting their pants laughing at the sight of such news.
I do not think so, as Germany still has her boots on their neck. Plus, you urban women in Romania and Hungary are already very Westernized, and many of them already buy into some sort of feminist or queer theory, to the point where they get mad when you make fun of it.
What Eastern Europeans should do is brace themselves and declare a culture war against Germany, which some are willing to do, but not the majority. Romania is worse than Hungary because they don't really have a functioning government. They already do the bidding of Germany regarding almost everything except migration. I am very worried about them, as they don't really seem to grasp the insanity the West has in store for them.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
German health minister Karl Lauterbach who as I understand proscribed masks and lockdowns has been found to have made up stuff in his resume thirty years ago which did not exist. From the MSM -
In English -
I will never forget his name after a woman conductor on a long distance train in Germany a few months ago went beserk at me several times for not wearing a mask, quoting that Lauterbach has not yet relieved the German people of the mask burden. Anyway there were no masks to be purchased on the train so I was not practically able comply, what a pity.

Just saying, but we all know that the truth does not matter to these people...
 

david.garrett84

Kingfisher
Protestant
German health minister Karl Lauterbach who as I understand proscribed masks and lockdowns has been found to have made up stuff in his resume thirty years ago which did not exist. From the MSM -
In English -
I will never forget his name after a woman conductor on a long distance train in Germany a few months ago went beserk at me several times for not wearing a mask, quoting that Lauterbach has not yet relieved the German people of the mask burden. Anyway there were no masks to be purchased on the train so I was not practically able comply, what a pity.

Just saying, but we all know that the truth does not matter to these people...
As dishonest as this is, it is not nearly as bad as Ursula von der Leyen having outright plagiarism on about half the pages of her medical thesis.

I believe it was Hannover University that still refused to revoke her degree, despite proving both the plagiarism and that she was repeatedly using citations that did not at all back up what her thesis was claiming.

From this illustrious start, von der Leyen went on to ruin the Bundeswehr as its Minister, before her present gig ruining the European Union further as Commission President.
 

david.garrett84

Kingfisher
Protestant
One general comment:

This forum has rightfully taken a Christian, God-loving and God-fearing approach over the last several years.

But we should not confuse church membership (think the ultra-liberal joke of the Episcopalian Church over in the US) with reverence for actual Christian values, especially in Germany.

The former West Germany, including now large parts of the more conservative (than the Lutherans) Catholic Church, show far less of an adherence to traditional Christian values of family and fatherland than the pretty much entirely secular, agnostic and atheist former East Germany.

Eastern Germany’s comparative lack of population is a problem, but there’s much more future Christian potential here than in the rest of Germany combined.

We should not lose sight of this. The naturally conservative values of non-Berlin Eastern Germany should be encouraged and fostered in the short and medium-term. Then in the longer-term we can hope to see larger numbers of this subset of the population finding actual membership and belonging in formal Christian faith.

In the interim, we should condemn the fake “Christian” bromides found in the rest of Germany.
 
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