Girls who are ready to fight guys in bars and clubs
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rakishness said:
Like I said, Snooki was counting on the protection of all the white-knights she had around her, giving her this feeling of arrogance and entitlement. The video clearly shows her putting her hand inches form the guys face! You don't do that shit! I don't care how right you think you are unless you are ready to fight!
Seriously, she did deserve it.
I'm certain that if she would of slapped that guy first she WOULD NOT have been arrested, and all white knights would have surrounded her for protection to keep the guy from retaliating!! Which is bullshit.
Yeah, let that be a message to all you bar skanks out there who think you are Supergirls who cannot be touched!
That guy was definitely an Alpha! Snooki knows that now! They say that the best way to keep a person humble is for him/her to experience getting punched in the face with raw power, I bet snooki will lose her Princess complex for a good 6 months, until she needs another dose of reality.
If I ever meet that guy who punched her in person, I'd buy him a bottle of the best Champagne VIP has!
Mixx
rakishness said:
Look at the MTV public service announcement at the end. Basically compelling guys to be white knights. Well, what are you going to do if the cops are white knights too? Look at the sheer anger with which they dragged him out of there. They didn't even seem interested in being objective and hearing both sides of the story. If she had punched him, nobody would be running up to defend his honor and the cops would not be dragging her out of there like she just robbed a bank. If a guy hits a woman even in self-defense, he's treated the way prisoners treat a child molester. I used to be one of those guys that would react that way if a dude slapped a woman. But any guy after he thinks about it a bit will start to question the white knight shit we were programmed with. The double standard is disgusting.
That said, I don't support men abusing women. If he was truly pummeling her, it should be stopped by force as a strong man can easily kill a woman. But this was not one of those situations. He just broke her off one in order to get her the hell out of his face.
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We are encouraged to be white knights because we as men are led to believe it makes us worthy of sex, and long term boyfriends or even fuck buddies to other women watching our actions. Or, if we are lucky, the damsel we are rescuing from harm will reward us with sex.
Other women will watch me defend this "helpless" woman, so therefore, I increase my chances of sex with one of these whores by 90% vs standing here and taking the guys side even if he is 100% right!
Mixx
Other women will watch me defend this "helpless" woman, so therefore, I increase my chances of sex with one of these whores by 90% vs standing here and taking the guys side even if he is 100% right!
Mixx
Timoteo
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I'll agree that the public service announcement at the end was a bit much, considering Snooki's behavior leading up to it. At the same time, the guy lost his job because of it. Based on that, regardless of her behavior, it wasn't worth it. He has a record of beating women, even though that may have been the only time he's ever raised a hand to one. In the age of instant celebrity, Snooki's fame grows, as does her bank account, while this guy will have that on his record for years, if not forever. I totally understood WHY he popped her, but the cost was too great.
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The worst part of all this is that we're exporting this behavior abroad. I was clubbing in Spain a couple of years ago when a couple of dolled-up drunk gringas tried to shove their way past me to the bar. I stood firm and the taller one spilled some of her drink on the ground. This silly chick demanded I buy her another (like 15 euros at this place), and when I told her to screw off she threw the damn thing in my face. I just laughed it off and went on my way. That shit bothered me though, and I still wonder if I shouldn't have done something. If it had been a guy punches would have been thrown and bouncers would have been tossing people out. A chick does it and nobody even bats an eye.
As for Snooki:
She didn't deserve it.
But a guy in her situation wouldn't have either. Regardless of his size. I don't think sucker punching someone like that after a brief exchange of words is appropriate, or advisable.
But if Snooki had a penis, no one would've cared. The coach would've gotten a slap on the wrist, if anything. Chicks would've laughed and said, haha, got what you deserve.
If their behavior is any guide, women are truly amoral. They respond to power. If you wrong her while she remains in awe of your power, she will forgive you. Maybe evolution is the answer - in the ancestral environment, a woman might still bear offspring by submitting herself to her male captors. A male prisoner, worthless. If left to his own devices, he will just be a threat and attempt revenge. Better to kill him.
And if you lose your sway over her, everything she had previously agreed to is now the gravest sin.
I think part of the appeal of white knighting is man's inherent desire to enforce justice. We love stories where the bad guy gets punished. But we don't really get any opportunities to do that, to personally mete out justice to the villain. Even policemen spend most of their time handing out bullshit tickets. So when they see a woman getting less than nicely, it's like a light shining down from heaven, and God is personally asking him to fight the forces of evil.
And that light is blinding. If he weren't so deluded, he'd see that the chick is the villain in this equation, much of the time. Even when she isn't the clear aggressor, she's often already effectively consented to it by default, by deliberately screwing an abusive man, over and over. Aka, shit attracts pigs. Hell, he could even be a not such a bad guy, but he acts abusive to attract and keep her.
Like Mixx said, guys feel like every girl would sleep with him, "if only she knew how good I am." Finally, God has given him the opportunity to prove himself. And not only is one side evil, but the other is obviously disadvantaged by size and strength. To not come to her aid would be the grossest injustice.
I hate white knighting. And especially because it doesn't even work. I'd still hate it if it did, but because it doesn't, it's like, "It doesn't even work! Why are you doing this?" Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this is much more effective than coming to her side. If only because there will already be so many men at her proverbial side. Agreeableness isn't arousing, especially for a masculine chick.
She didn't deserve it.
But a guy in her situation wouldn't have either. Regardless of his size. I don't think sucker punching someone like that after a brief exchange of words is appropriate, or advisable.
But if Snooki had a penis, no one would've cared. The coach would've gotten a slap on the wrist, if anything. Chicks would've laughed and said, haha, got what you deserve.
If their behavior is any guide, women are truly amoral. They respond to power. If you wrong her while she remains in awe of your power, she will forgive you. Maybe evolution is the answer - in the ancestral environment, a woman might still bear offspring by submitting herself to her male captors. A male prisoner, worthless. If left to his own devices, he will just be a threat and attempt revenge. Better to kill him.
And if you lose your sway over her, everything she had previously agreed to is now the gravest sin.
speakeasy said:
I think part of the appeal of white knighting is man's inherent desire to enforce justice. We love stories where the bad guy gets punished. But we don't really get any opportunities to do that, to personally mete out justice to the villain. Even policemen spend most of their time handing out bullshit tickets. So when they see a woman getting less than nicely, it's like a light shining down from heaven, and God is personally asking him to fight the forces of evil.
And that light is blinding. If he weren't so deluded, he'd see that the chick is the villain in this equation, much of the time. Even when she isn't the clear aggressor, she's often already effectively consented to it by default, by deliberately screwing an abusive man, over and over. Aka, shit attracts pigs. Hell, he could even be a not such a bad guy, but he acts abusive to attract and keep her.
Like Mixx said, guys feel like every girl would sleep with him, "if only she knew how good I am." Finally, God has given him the opportunity to prove himself. And not only is one side evil, but the other is obviously disadvantaged by size and strength. To not come to her aid would be the grossest injustice.
I hate white knighting. And especially because it doesn't even work. I'd still hate it if it did, but because it doesn't, it's like, "It doesn't even work! Why are you doing this?" Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this is much more effective than coming to her side. If only because there will already be so many men at her proverbial side. Agreeableness isn't arousing, especially for a masculine chick.
MiXX said:
Simple, yet very well put.
otd:I agree with what basilransom has to say, I definitely don't think Snooki deserved to get punched in the face, nor would anyone in her situation.
Was she acting like a major bitch? Yes. Should she have been putting her hand in the guys' face? No.
But, that in itself doesn't deserve to be met with violence, if she had slapped him, then I think it would have been a different story, because she would have unjustly initiated violence, and he would have been within his rights (in my mind) for retaliating.
However, what I think he should have done was throw back that shot, tell her to suck a dick, and walk away. If anyone white knighted in that situation and tried to fight the guy, they would be at risk of getting charged with assault as it was all caught on tape. I think it would take a bigger man, to swallow his pride for a second, control is emotions, and realize the more mature thing to do, is say fuck it and walk away.
My 2 cents.
Was she acting like a major bitch? Yes. Should she have been putting her hand in the guys' face? No.
But, that in itself doesn't deserve to be met with violence, if she had slapped him, then I think it would have been a different story, because she would have unjustly initiated violence, and he would have been within his rights (in my mind) for retaliating.
However, what I think he should have done was throw back that shot, tell her to suck a dick, and walk away. If anyone white knighted in that situation and tried to fight the guy, they would be at risk of getting charged with assault as it was all caught on tape. I think it would take a bigger man, to swallow his pride for a second, control is emotions, and realize the more mature thing to do, is say fuck it and walk away.
My 2 cents.
Just a reminder... this is not just a Western problem....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw
Then listen to how she goads him in this one. On and on . You can hear the lady saying, she hit him first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj5xkBD6fA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw
Then listen to how she goads him in this one. On and on . You can hear the lady saying, she hit him first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj5xkBD6fA
I had an ex try to get physical with me. I let a few pushes and punches slide and told her no more.
She decided to try it again and ended up getting an open handed smack upside her head. There was enough force in it to make her realize she wouldn't be touching me again like she was.
Luckily it was in private.
I felt pretty bad because I was taught to not hit a woman. Now, not so bad and understand she deserved it. That was really the only time I had a woman try to put her hands on me.
She decided to try it again and ended up getting an open handed smack upside her head. There was enough force in it to make her realize she wouldn't be touching me again like she was.
Luckily it was in private.
I felt pretty bad because I was taught to not hit a woman. Now, not so bad and understand she deserved it. That was really the only time I had a woman try to put her hands on me.
basilransom said:
Clipping a guy in the face who is toe to toe with you, talking shit, and sticking his fingers all around your face is absolutely NOT a sucker punch. That is 100% fair game and if you are the one doing the shit talking, you better expect to get popped. Not everyone abides by the "fighting is so childish" PC code that is so popular these days.
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RioNomad said:
100% agreed! And just because she has a vagina, it is not an exception to the rule. If she is sticking her hands/fingers in your face, talking shit and publicly humiliating you for no fucking reason other than her own validation; fair game if she starts spilling some of the red-stuff from her lips.
If a bar bitch is gonna get angry and start acting up, and swelling-up like a man, she's gonna get dealt with like one.
Mixx
kimleebj said:
She didn't get her ass beat. She got one of those "bitch you need to know your place" punches. If you look closely the way he punched her was just one punch, he wasn't going to do any punching after that.
If he was beating on her and her life was in danger then that is when you need to step in. Most of the time the woman provokes the guy, in those cases that's her problem.
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