Girlsdoporn.com lawsuit/declaring bankruptcy

Harem Scarem

Sparrow
Gold Member
sanbruno said:
eradicator said:
I’m somewhat shocked that the owner made any money on this site at all, much less 20 million USA dollars. But if he hadn’t been sketchy about it he could have gone on indefinitely and continued to make money(if he really did make money)

Their site was $29.99 a month, and seems to have been run by only a handful of people with minimal overhead. It only takes 50,000 monthly subscribers to get you over 17 million in revenue a year. The girls they got were seriously hot, and their free clips had huge hits on the tube sites. Even with the free clips often being enough to fap, and full scenes generally found with a little web digging, 50k+ worldwide subscriber base doesn't seem unreasonable at all. I wouldn't be surprised if some of their hottest, most viral girls got paid upward of $10k (which would explain how they got so many stunners).

Purely anecdotal, but GDP is the only porn producer I heard of through word of mouth, recommended to me by a co-worker at the time who had plenty of game and no shortage of female attention, but still liked to play single-player at times. :tard:

I don't indulge much these days anymore for reasons obvious to anyone here, and I don't know who would pay for porn. I don't know anything about the market for porn, but I can certainly imagine these guys made some $ just from name recognition. I assume there will always be a market for girls with the girl-next-door kind of look getting destroyed.
 
I'm relatively sure the market for paid internet porn is low. You have to both be smart enough to be internet savvy yet dumb enough to pay for porn, degenerate enough to pay for porn yet not degenerate enough to pay for strippers/hookers. I think name recognition is just a meme that money launderers push.
 
The Catalyst said:
I'm relatively sure the market for paid internet porn is low. You have to both be smart enough to be internet savvy yet dumb enough to pay for porn, degenerate enough to pay for porn yet not degenerate enough to pay for strippers/hookers. I think name recognition is just a meme that money launderers push.

You are underestimating the amount of middle aged, non tech savvy men that stumble upon the clips on tube sites and can't be bothered to spend hours navigating shady pirate sites to find the full clips. Even some tech savvy people certainly subscribed just to have all the full clips readily available without hassle. The girls on this site weren't your typical stripper looking porn girls, and it certainly would be an impulse buy for some intrigued men. Some of their free clips had 20+ million views on PornHub, that's certainly going to translate into memberships, even if only a tiny percentage convert. If they were just doing this to launder money, they could have just ran some run of the mill porn site, or just open a sandwich shop and stayed out of the limelight. Dealing with flaky 18-22 year old amateur girls flying in from their hometowns was bound to result in regret rape allegations sooner or later.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
I have a college friend whose daughter does porn. I was thinking she was part of "Girls Do Porn," but as it turns out, she was only in a series called "Teens Do Porn." Can you imagine the conversations they have?

"Honey, were you part of the "Girls Do Porn" lawsuit?"

"No, Mom, I told you I'm in "TEENS Do Porn! There's, like, a DIFFERENCE!"

Actually, that's probably an easier convo than the daughter telling her mom she starred in "Don't Get Mad... I F*cked Your Dad" and "Daddy Says I'm The Best" (these are the girl's actual films -- I'm not making these titles up).
 
Before I went No Fap (glad I did for energy, motivation and spiritual reasons), I used to watch GDP. They had some seriously beautiful girls they landed. It goes to show you that a good reason for women to be married off young (if you have a strong father in the picture) and pair-bonded young. I feel sad for these girls (and the men who will probably marry them in the long run), as the pair-bonding is broken down. I'm sure the girls thought it was all harmless fun at the time, but young women have a very poor track record of understanding long-term consequences. I think we give them too much credit for their own agency, as women are so emotinoal that I think in a more right-thinking world we'd just control them more instead of try to pretend they'll make good choiceis on their own. A lot of the time, they won't. GDP is a prime example. Glad I don't watch it any more, if men consume less porn, there will be less demand for girls to get into it, and instead hopefully LTR.
 

bk19xsa

Robin
Make normal girls accessible for average men in the West and porn viewership will decrease.

Most average graduate students that I know from University are all hooked on porn. Almost all of that group has very less access to real girls. It's not like they don't try and be social. Many of them do initially. I am telling you, these guys would be very happy just to have an average girlfriend and a relationship. But they are considered average by most girls and most girls don't want to be seen dating average. Undergrad girls don't even bother and most grad girls want a top notch male otherwise no. Only through couple of years of social circle game would an average girl pair up with an average guy. That is becoming rare too. The average guy would have to be a valuable member in the social circle.

What are the rest of the average guys supposed to do? How much can they improve? They feel they have lost because they just can't compete against the top 15% male.

They have needs and they use porn as it's an easy release.

The culture is destroying these young men's confidence. Young men have started believing that they are inferior to 4s and 5s when they themselves are 6.

A simple example: an average man who wants to self improve, goes to the gym. During training he sees plenty of 5s with their butts hanging out in yoga pants. He wishes, at the least, if he could have a relationship with one of them. He can't approach because he fears as per today's culture that he will get kicked out of gym for saying more than 'hi' and even if he does, the most probable scenario is that the girl will shoot him down. That night, he releases his frustration the only way he knows and that is through porn. It is a sad state of affairs.

Weaning men off porn requires cultural desexualization of girls and for men to start believing that they are the better species. It will require a mix of faith and a player's mindset, where they consider they are the prize.

This is for the average male porn watcher today.

Now for those who have a player's mindset, have a gf, have access to girls, lift, play sports, go out, do outdoor activities and are still addicted to porn, such as I, then that's a whole different issue altogether. Personally, a whole lot of spirituality and mindfulness is required to solve that issue.
 
sanbruno said:
The Catalyst said:
I'm relatively sure the market for paid internet porn is low. You have to both be smart enough to be internet savvy yet dumb enough to pay for porn, degenerate enough to pay for porn yet not degenerate enough to pay for strippers/hookers. I think name recognition is just a meme that money launderers push.

You are underestimating the amount of middle aged, non tech savvy men that stumble upon the clips on tube sites and can't be bothered to spend hours navigating shady pirate sites to find the full clips. Even some tech savvy people certainly subscribed just to have all the full clips readily available without hassle. The girls on this site weren't your typical stripper looking porn girls, and it certainly would be an impulse buy for some intrigued men. Some of their free clips had 20+ million views on PornHub, that's certainly going to translate into memberships, even if only a tiny percentage convert. If they were just doing this to launder money, they could have just ran some run of the mill porn site, or just open a sandwich shop and stayed out of the limelight. Dealing with flaky 18-22 year old amateur girls flying in from their hometowns was bound to result in regret rape allegations sooner or later.

The thing that makes me suspicious is something like this... https://www.insider.com/instagrammer-arii-2-million-followers-cannot-sell-36-t-shirts-2019-5

Instagrammer @Arii said she failed to sell 36 T-shirts to her 2.6 million followers.
In a now-deleted Instagram post, she said she was launching a clothing line, but had to sell 36 items from the initial drop in order for the company to continue producing them.

I'd rather buy a T-shirt from someone I follow on Instagram than pay for porn, even if I was porn addicted.

GDP getting 50k subscriptions? Maybe I'm underestimating their reach but that seems like a stretch.

bk19xsa said:
What are the rest of the average guys supposed to do? How much can they improve? They feel they have lost because they just can't compete against the top 15% male.

They have needs and they use porn as it's an easy release.

The culture is destroying these young men's confidence. Young men have started believing that they are inferior to 4s and 5s when they themselves are 6.

A simple example: an average man who wants to self improve, goes to the gym. During training he sees plenty of 5s with their butts hanging out in yoga pants. He wishes, at the least, if he could have a relationship with one of them. He can't approach because he fears as per today's culture that he will get kicked out of gym for saying more than 'hi' and even if he does, the most probable scenario is that the girl will shoot him down. That night, he releases his frustration the only way he knows and that is through porn. It is a sad state of affairs.

Is the US/the West that broken? There are plenty of 6-7s here in Central Europe and it's well established/openly talked about that if you want a girlfriend you should make moves.
 

BlastbeatCasanova

Kingfisher
I wish a legit journalist or someone like Cernovich would dive deep and do an expose on the porn industry. Stories like this and others have me thinking that there is no way it is profitable and that it has to be a giant money laundering scheme. Although I think looking too deeply into these matters could put one's life at risk.

I have two anecdotes on porn consumers. I used to have a job that involved me going into average normal everyday people's houses everyday. One guy, lived alone, probably late 50's-early 60's, had boxes upon boxes upon boxes of porn DVD's. I was just like "dude, so there's this thing called the internet..." So there is someone that is definitely providing money for the porn industry.

On the other hand, 65 year old lady (I verified her age), has porn on her big screen TV when I walk in to her house. We build some rapport and I find out that she is putting torrented porn on CD's (she gave me one on my way out, I never watched it). So this is an older person who is still not paying for porn.

Even with the small percentage of people that actually pay for porn, I don't get how it can be profitable. Especially as time goes by and free porn becomes more ubiquitous
 

Dr. Howard

 
Banned
Gold Member
BlastbeatCasanova said:
I wish a legit journalist or someone like Cernovich would dive deep and do an expose on the porn industry. Stories like this and others have me thinking that there is no way it is profitable and that it has to be a giant money laundering scheme. Although I think looking too deeply into these matters could put one's life at risk.

I have two anecdotes on porn consumers. I used to have a job that involved me going into average normal everyday people's houses everyday. One guy, lived alone, probably late 50's-early 60's, had boxes upon boxes upon boxes of porn DVD's. I was just like "dude, so there's this thing called the internet..." So there is someone that is definitely providing money for the porn industry.

On the other hand, 65 year old lady (I verified her age), has porn on her big screen TV when I walk in to her house. We build some rapport and I find out that she is putting torrented porn on CD's (she gave me one on my way out, I never watched it). So this is an older person who is still not paying for porn.

Even with the small percentage of people that actually pay for porn, I don't get how it can be profitable. Especially as time goes by and free porn becomes more ubiquitous

Maybe larger set of entities are paying the porn producers to make films now and upload the content for free instead of it being the average consumer paying for it.

If Israel uses it as a weapon against palestinians, why wouldn't China or the Mossad pay for it to be made free to americans.

Even if the films are free, it would/is also a great front business for drugs and human trafficking or money laundering. Its existence could be the same as your local terrible looking bar or coin machine laundrymat that has few customers, is in disrepair but stays open year, after year after year. Its not there because it needs to turn a profit. Its there to launder money.
 
Dr. Howard said:
Maybe larger set of entities are paying the porn producers to make films now and upload the content for free instead of it being the average consumer paying for it.

If Israel uses it as a weapon against palestinians, why wouldn't China or the Mossad pay for it to be made free to americans.

Yes this is what I mean. Obviously Jews and/or other nefarious subversives control porn, which is why there's so much weird shit(interracial, pseudo-incest) in porn.

If porn was profitable, you'd see guys with hot girlfriends or players/chads who can get mediocre and above lays with good video filming/editing skills get the big money(meritocracy). Instead you see all the pornographers are almost all random losers/degenerates.
 

Dr. Howard

 
Banned
Gold Member
eradicator said:
I can’t possibly be the only one getting an idea here.

It reminds me of the show “weeds” where Andy gets the idea to be a good natured coyote and benevolently help wetbacks cross the border without doing any of the shady shit,


Step 1
Get some basic video equipment and lighting

Step 2
Start posting on Craigslist for 18 to 20 year old girls interested in getting started in an adult film career, they will be paid 5000 to 7000 dollars for the shoot and be flown out to wherever and you will also put up the hotel room.

3) actually follow through on the amount

4) tell them you aren’t sure which website you are going to use it on, you are just in the stage of creating content at this point

5) Treat the girls well instead of being shitty and use them for actual referrals and pay them for it to rope in new talent.

6) do the editing and coding for the site or hire editors and a coder to put up the footage into a site themed about showcasing amateur girls who filmed their one and only scene.

7) profit and avoid getting sued

I’m somewhat shocked that the owner made any money on this site at all, much less 20 million USA dollars. But if he hadn’t been sketchy about it he could have gone on indefinitely and continued to make money(if he really did make money)

Here is the problem, you are dealing with 18-20 year old turbo sluts. Women in this age range are already the worst employees in regular jobs be it waitressing, human resources or even college group project members.

Narrow it down to those that are attractive, willing to have sex on camera and possibly dependent on chemical substances and you are working with a subset of the most unreliable and high drama people on the planet.

You cannot run a 'nice and fair' business involving these women like you cannot run 'honest beta' game to date them.
 

jeffreyjerpp

Kingfisher
sanbruno said:
Their ability to land so many girl next door types makes me feel like the rumors about them lying about the distribution are likely true. A “normal” porn operation would have the girls tested and such, but it appears these guys rushed them to San Diego and banged them in hotels as fast as possible. The girls in these videos have a certain smile on their face that says they think they are having their cake and eating too (money and validation of porn without the social stigma). Most of the girls are also clearly into the male talent, and have a very subservient demeanor with them. Just goes to show how women lose agency in the hands of dominate alpha males. I think most left with a grin on their face, and money for a new designer handbag, but are more than happy to play up a victim narrative once it becomes apparent they completely fucked up getting paid a few grand for videos that will be seen by millions of men for years to come. I do feel sorry dor naive young women that fall for this, but at the same time, if you thought it was a good idea to take the word of some tatted thugs with burner phones, you probably were going to fuck up your life one way or another.

These guys were obviously liars and con artists, and a fair outcome would be financial compensation for the girls, perhaps a royalty on all revenues collected via their videos.

That said, I can't sympathize with these young women, since they refuse to take any responsibility for their choices and the consequences they would obviously bring.

For example, in a *shocking* twist, the guy running the operation was allegedly forcing himself on the girls after the porn shoots, knowing for a variety of reasons it would be nearly impossible to prosecute him:

"The stories of assault attributed to Holm in interviews and depositions had several common features. Most recalled Garcia “luring” them back to his apartment. The pretexts for this varied, the motion said. Several claimed Garcia insisted they sleep at his apartment rather than their hotel, because he was responsible for taking them to the airport in the morning and lived closer to the terminals. Others said, while driving them home, he would stage a pitstop at his apartment and invite them up rather than wait in the car. Still more said Garcia hung around the shoots until everyone except the model left before making a move, or attacked them in his car."

thedailybeast.com/andre-garcia-porn-actor-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-over-two-dozen-women-i-told-him-to-stop

Gee ladies, it turns out that perhaps getting turned out on camera by ultra sketchy guys was super risky, who knew??

The least they could do is tell other girls: "Don't do what I did, you should never agree to be in porn, much less accept money for sex". Instead they whine about how they were "tricked" into flying to a different city and having sex in exchange for cash.

Of course these same girls, all of whom were hot as fuck, would have branded most actual nice guys "creepy", before getting raped (for real) in the back of some perverted thugs Range Rover. So cry me a river that their behavior had pretty predictable outcomes.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Agnostic
Gold Member
Dr. Howard said:
Here is the problem, you are dealing with 18-20 year old turbo sluts. Women in this age range are already the worst employees in regular jobs be it waitressing, human resources or even college group project members.

Narrow it down to those that are attractive, willing to have sex on camera and possibly dependent on chemical substances and you are working with a subset of the most unreliable and high drama people on the planet.

You cannot run a 'nice and fair' business involving these women like you cannot run 'honest beta' game to date them.


Yes, it's a terrible idea all around. Also, it would take a significant up front investment to get it started and create a site with at least a couple dozen girls, and would probably take about a year to start generating much money. I can't imagine operating in the red for such a sketchy investment for a year, unless I already had FU money, in which case I'd already have a wife and a few sugar babies anyways
 

jordypip23

Ostrich
Gold Member
BlastbeatCasanova said:
I wish a legit journalist or someone like Cernovich would dive deep and do an expose on the porn industry. Stories like this and others have me thinking that there is no way it is profitable and that it has to be a giant money laundering scheme. Although I think looking too deeply into these matters could put one's life at risk.

I have two anecdotes on porn consumers. I used to have a job that involved me going into average normal everyday people's houses everyday. One guy, lived alone, probably late 50's-early 60's, had boxes upon boxes upon boxes of porn DVD's. I was just like "dude, so there's this thing called the internet..." So there is someone that is definitely providing money for the porn industry.

On the other hand, 65 year old lady (I verified her age), has porn on her big screen TV when I walk in to her house. We build some rapport and I find out that she is putting torrented porn on CD's (she gave me one on my way out, I never watched it). So this is an older person who is still not paying for porn.

Even with the small percentage of people that actually pay for porn, I don't get how it can be profitable. Especially as time goes by and free porn becomes more ubiquitous

The tube sites (ie. YouPorn, Pornhub, etc.) have gobbled up a lot of the marketshare. I believe a lot of them are owned by one company known as "Mindgeek".

MindGeek (Wikipedia entry)

MindGeek website (Safe to view, no porn on the actual site, has a corporate look)

The CEO / co-owner from Canada, Feras Antoon, is likely rolling in the dough. Oh and he's 44 years old & married.
 

Eusebius

Hummingbird
Gold Member
One thing I learned from investigating various business opportunities is that you can be very surprised by the amount of money in various industries and niches. Your "instinct" that one business can't be making a few million dollars frankly doesn't mean anything.
 

The Wire

Kingfisher
Gold Member
SlickyBoy said:
This is where I think their civil case will fall apart. The defense will have a right to cross examine any witnesses called. Even if the defense counsel isn't allowed to ask her about other sex work (which he may be allowed to do - rape shield laws don't apply here), he can tease out the truth easily enough with some basic questions. They would be structured, but here are a few:

Do you have a smart phone?
Do you know how to use Google?
Have you ever used Google to find information?
Where did you learn about these men?
Where did you find their solicitation for models?
Was that the only time you ever read the Craigslist ads?
Did you ask any friends about these guys before you accepted their offer?


If the defense has info about other sex work they'd be foolish not to hang onto that for possible impeachment of the witness:

Have you ever accepted gifts or money for sexual performances before?
"Uh, no..."
Do you recognize this photo?
"Uh..."
Is that you?
....ymmmffff....
Is that a yes?
"....yes."
Where was it posted?
"...sekigmmmm argmmfff...."
Where?
"Seeking Arrangement.... <boohoohooohooo>....!"

No further questions your honor.


If the above was true then the civil case would have been dismissed years ago. I see where you are going but thats a simplistic view of the case based on the evidence. I'll sum it up;

*GirlsDoPorn recruited by placing ads on Craigslist using fake modeling websites such as Bubblegum casting, ModelingWork, ModelingGigs..etc

*They told girls that the videos were on DVD for small distribution to clients in New Zealand and Australia and there was no online distribution

*They gave them numbers for reference girls to collaborate on the above story(they have testimony from reference girls on this)

*Reference girls were paid on a sliding scale "based on the attractiveness and age of the prospective women”(sworn testimony and they have Paypal transactions backing this up)

*Reference girls had been instructed never to reveal the recruiters’ real names or the fact that they owned girlsdoporn(sworn testimony)

*They have testimony from a videographer who shot around 100 videos with them that the DVD story was true as well as they couldn't reveal the videos were for girlsdoporn as well as they had to use alias names in from of the girls

*girlsdoporn isn't mentioned in the contract at all that they signed nor is any mention of the videos being distributed online.

*girlsdoporn have no proof in any communications(email, text, contract) that the videos were to be for girlsdoporn. In fact the word girlsdoporn is never utter in the multiple hours of footage that they have(all of the videos have interviews..etc).
 

Swordfish1010

 
Banned
jeffreyjerpp said:
sanbruno said:
Their ability to land so many girl next door types makes me feel like the rumors about them lying about the distribution are likely true. A “normal” porn operation would have the girls tested and such, but it appears these guys rushed them to San Diego and banged them in hotels as fast as possible. The girls in these videos have a certain smile on their face that says they think they are having their cake and eating too (money and validation of porn without the social stigma). Most of the girls are also clearly into the male talent, and have a very subservient demeanor with them. Just goes to show how women lose agency in the hands of dominate alpha males. I think most left with a grin on their face, and money for a new designer handbag, but are more than happy to play up a victim narrative once it becomes apparent they completely fucked up getting paid a few grand for videos that will be seen by millions of men for years to come. I do feel sorry dor naive young women that fall for this, but at the same time, if you thought it was a good idea to take the word of some tatted thugs with burner phones, you probably were going to fuck up your life one way or another.

These guys were obviously liars and con artists, and a fair outcome would be financial compensation for the girls, perhaps a royalty on all revenues collected via their videos.

That said, I can't sympathize with these young women, since they refuse to take any responsibility for their choices and the consequences they would obviously bring.

For example, in a *shocking* twist, the guy running the operation was allegedly forcing himself on the girls after the porn shoots, knowing for a variety of reasons it would be nearly impossible to prosecute him:

"The stories of assault attributed to Holm in interviews and depositions had several common features. Most recalled Garcia “luring” them back to his apartment. The pretexts for this varied, the motion said. Several claimed Garcia insisted they sleep at his apartment rather than their hotel, because he was responsible for taking them to the airport in the morning and lived closer to the terminals. Others said, while driving them home, he would stage a pitstop at his apartment and invite them up rather than wait in the car. Still more said Garcia hung around the shoots until everyone except the model left before making a move, or attacked them in his car."

thedailybeast.com/andre-garcia-porn-actor-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-over-two-dozen-women-i-told-him-to-stop

Gee ladies, it turns out that perhaps getting turned out on camera by ultra sketchy guys was super risky, who knew??

The least they could do is tell other girls: "Don't do what I did, you should never agree to be in porn, much less accept money for sex". Instead they whine about how they were "tricked" into flying to a different city and having sex in exchange for cash.

Of course these same girls, all of whom were hot as fuck, would have branded most actual nice guys "creepy", before getting raped (for real) in the back of some perverted thugs Range Rover. So cry me a river that their behavior had pretty predictable outcomes.
I don’t watch porn anymore but I have seen a few gdp scenes and they all enjoyed it on scene. Sorry I don’t believe he had to force himself on them to get it in a couple more times. They probably begged for it. It’s not like it makes a difference, they already fucked him on camera. Hopefully young girls learn from this.
 
Yeah - I am pretty sure that they lied to them, but the proving that even in the #metoo-times is tough since they have everything on camera, they signed a contract and additional verbal statements can be dismissed as hearsay. Now - if one or more of the girls recorded various statements, then it's possible, but chances are that they don't have much to go on.
 

SlickyBoy

Hummingbird
jordypip23 said:
The tube sites (ie. YouPorn, Pornhub, etc.) have gobbled up a lot of the marketshare. I believe a lot of them are owned by one company known as "Mindgeek".

MindGeek (Wikipedia entry)

MindGeek website (Safe to view, no porn on the actual site, has a corporate look)

The CEO / co-owner from Canada, Feras Antoon, is likely rolling in the dough. Oh and he's 44 years old & married.

This is true, and he's made a pretty good living from being a scumbag. The business philosophy is flood the world with porn and even if only 1% of people actually pay for it, you can still turn a serious profit. The GDP crowd could have easily pulled in what they claim if the talent is as good as people here are admitting to, coupled with very low overhead.

And no, GDP doesn't deserve to go to jail over contract violations or exceeding the scope of distribution agreements as those are not criminal convictions. If they violated some kind of federal trafficking law that's another matter, but even that isn't a slam dunk case.

What I am suggesting isn't simplistic because there's been no trial yet. In the American system if you get sued you don't get a dismissal just because you think the plaintiff is being silly, you get have to go to a trial and get a judgment, proved by a preponderance of the evidence (or lack thereof, if you're defending against a suit).

I haven't seen the contract the girls signed with GDP, but it's probably got loopholes the GDP team could drive a truck through. The case will be won or lost on the merits, including testimony from the witness, which will be cross examined similar to how I illustrated. A competent cross examining attorney can devastate a witness with the right question techniques - ask Mark Furhman. F. Lee Bailey destroyed him in the OJ Simpson criminal trial:
 
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